The Complete Interview of Teal Swan's Alleged Childhood Abuser

by John Anderson and Cameron Clark

[**NOTE from Cameron: COPYRIGHT is retained by each individual writer/speaker.  It has been claimed that this posting violates the copyright of the magazine in which it was originally published. However, the editor-in-chief explicitly agreed that the contributors to the magazine would retain copyright to their work, in case they wanted to republish their work. She also promised to put a copyright notice, to this effect, in the magazine itself, but failed to do so. I never granted exclusive copyright to my work to the magazine—and to my knowledge, neither did any of the other writers/speakers in these interviews.]

[UPDATE from Cameron: A number of astute readers have wondered how it could be possible that “Doc” read Teal’s online bio, without realizing that she was referring to him, when making accusations of abuse. I attempted to address the issue in an update, the text of which can be found at the end of this post in the comments section. It occurred to me after posting it, however, that I should simply ask him to further clarify the statements in question. He was kind enough to respond to this query in a follow-up exchange on Nov. 8. I have added these clarifications to his earlier statements in the exchanges below, preceded by asterisks. There is a good deal of new material from this exchange. For "Doc's" response to this particular question, though, see here.]

Teal Swan has made some remarkable claims about being a victim of satanic, bizarre, sexual and physical, years-long, childhood abuse. In this article, we share the first known interview of Teal’s alleged abuser, “Doc,” concerning the alleged abuse. Included in this article is a handwritten letter Teal allegedly sent Doc in 2004. [Teal's letter to "Doc" is reprinted under fair use, since it serves the public interest.] Here are some of Teal’s claims, regarding the alleged abuse (followed by the interview itself):

Corrections to Ethics and the Modern Guru Magazine, Issue 2

[**NOTE: COPYRIGHT is retained by each individual writer/speaker. It has been claimed that this post violates the copyright of the magazine in which it was originally published. However, the editor-in-chief explicitly agreed that the contributors to the magazine would retain copyright to their work, in case they wanted to republish their work. She also promised to put a copyright notice, to this effect, in the magazine itself, but failed to do so. I never granted exclusive copyright to my work to the magazine—and to my knowledge, neither did any of the other writers/speakers in these interviews. Debra Van Neste's statements are included under fair use, for the purpose of criticism.]

[UPDATE: This post is simply to provide a clear public record of what was submitted vs. what was printed in the magazine. For a complete, detailed version of the interview with Teal's alleged abuser, I recommend you see this post.]

The following interviews were featured in the latest issue of Ethics And The Modern Guru. I contributed to the magazine, because I believed it to stand for a morally sound cause. While I was a contributor to the magazine for a time, I did not have editorial input or control of the final product that was released in October 2015. While the information I provided was sound, accurate, properly attributed, and properly transcribed when submitted, I was disappointed to see that my and others’ contributions were then shoddily edited and misstated for final print in the magazine. I don’t feel that it’s right to be charging money for information that should be available far and wide to anyone who feels inclined to read it. I also don’t think the final product is worth the price of admission, when the errors are so egregious and innumerable. Amazingly, the vast majority of the edits of these interviews seem to have introduced grammatical, stylistic, and content errors, rather than correcting them. This conclusion is not just a matter of opinion; it is based on the publishing-industry-recognized authority on grammar and editorial style: The Chicago Manual of Style (or Google for free resources on grammar and style). The errors and problems in these interviews include (but are not limited to) the following:

The Truth About Teal Swan

NOTE: This interview between Jessica Schab and myself regarding my experience living with Teal Swan took place in August of 2014. To serve the greater good of understanding and public interest, the transcript is being shared below.

CAMERON CLARK
I used to live with Teal Swan, and I just wanted to say kudos to you for being willing to point out the potential dangers and pitfalls of blindly following toxic cult leaders and new age con-artists such as Teal.

JESSICA SCHAB
You seem to be one of the few who have lived with her and have been able to see this without feeling the need to protect and defend her. So kudos to you as well! Care to share your story on how you came to this conclusion? If not, no worries.

CAMERON CLARK
Yes, I would be willing to share my experience and conclusions with you. I have been hesitant to speak out publicly for a number of reasons, but I believe I've finally gained enough clarity and perspective on my journey now to put it to words, and I truly appreciate what you are doing. I'll send you my take on all things concerning Teal Swan soon.

An Open Letter To Gabriel Morris Regarding Teal Swan – UPDATE: Gabriel's Non-Response

Appearing at The Truth About Cameron and Celestial Reflections.

UPDATE: Gabriel's Non-Response (See Below)


Recently Gabriel "Kundalini" Morris wrote a blog post taking me to task on my public statements about Teal Swan. He also challenged an upcoming release of an interview with Teal's alleged abuser. What follows is my response to his blog post.


Dear Gabriel,

Thank-you for initiating a public dialog regarding our diverging views on Teal Swan. I'd like to address a number of the points you raised in your blog post. I’m not going to address your speculation about what actually transpired between Teal and her alleged abuser and where she stayed and when, because speculation is all that it is. You’ve created a logical house of cards based entirely on Teal’s statements without even seeing what the man she’s accused of all these things has to say. You are welcome to read the interview with Teal's alleged abuser and draw your own conclusions. A number of the other questions you raise, however, I can speak to. I feel much of what you wrote misrepresented and misstated me. For that and other reasons, I feel the need to respond to your blog and let a clear public record stand. I will be addressing your points in no particular order.


You write:

"There wouldn't be much of a controversy surrounding Teal Swan if it wasn't for Cameron Clark. Cameron is, to the best of my knowledge, the only person who has actually met Teal and spent significant time with her, who is now publicly speaking critically of her. There are other critics certainly, but not people who have spent significant time with her and are now speaking publicly and forcefully about her."

Well, that’s awfully specific. So, only a person who has spent significant time with Teal and who is also speaking out “forcefully” is to be taken seriously as a critic? You seem to have narrowed the scope in order to deliberately exclude a slew of critics and disenfranchised followers. Many people other than myself have enjoyed condemnation by Teal and even death threats from her followers for critiquing and questioning her public record and behavior. You’re not even considering Fallon, her former live-in boyfriend, whom she publicly humiliated by proclaiming a psychopath and who has since written publicly about his experiences in her “cult.” There was controversy long before I spoke out, and no doubt, it would continue if I went silent tomorrow.

What about her followers? The vast majority of them haven’t spent significant time with her either. Does that make their fondness for her equally meaningless? Gabriel, you've spent spent far less time with her than I have. What does that say about your observations?