Sunday, June 19, 2016

A Conversation with Jordan from Spirit Science-- UPDATED

Appearing at The Truth About Cameron and Celestial Reflections.

Update: Jordan to Add Teal's Paintings to Spirit Science Store (See Below)

I was recently contacted, out of the blue, by Jordan Pearce, proprietor of Spirit Science. I have never personally met Jordan. I'm familiar with his work in the spiritual community, but the only personal information I've heard about him has been relayed to me by mutual acquaintances, like Teal Swan. I will refrain from repeating this third party gossip. Let's just say that I wasn't left with a very favorable impression of him. Jordan and I had no prior communication, so I was a little confused by his familiar tone in his initial contact. It seemed rather presumptuous, but I was intrigued enough to respond and see where this communication might lead.

His second message was more condescending than the first. I saw what I thought was a rather obvious agenda. In retrospect, his motives for contacting me are, at best, unclear. I assumed, based partly on things I'd heard, that he was getting back into a business collaboration with Teal, and thereby had a vested interest in clearing the decks. After seeing this blog post, in which he describes being "denied access" to her, I wonder if it wasn't more to curry favor with her. Either way, I felt it would be best to break contact with him. To my surprise, he became relentless. He sent me a number of messages and even tried to initiate a voice chat. I decided to re-engage, but only if he would consent to having his words published. He did.

I wrote him a somewhat detailed reply to what I thought were his major points. I had hoped for a fruitful exchange and realized after I'd sent that message off, that there were a number of things I needed more clarity about. I had begun to prepare a follow-up message, when Jordan abruptly terminated contact and blocked me on Facebook Messenger. Bear in mind that he pursued communication with me for days in messages dripping with affection and heart emoticons. I was blunt and dismissive and still he pursued me. But, when I finally wrote him back with an open and detailed message and invited him to continue with a meaningful exchange, he blocked me.

What follows is our entire exchange, copied verbatim from Facebook Messenger:

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 9:55am
Hello Cameron! I just saw some of your videos from about a year ago recapping your experience with Teal, which is why we find ourselves here today. I hope your well, and moving forward not getting stuck in spirals of the past.

Cameron Clark
6/12, 9:58am
Haha. Thank you! It's been an interesting journey. I'll say that. I'm not sure that being stuck in the past is the problem. It's feels to me that the world may be stuck in a spiral, and time is the illusion we are given.

But please, by all means, if you have cracked the code, I'd love to hear what you came up with :)

A lot has changed for me these past few years or so.

Teal had some rather damning things to say about you during my time spent down in Utah. She sent me unsolicited emails concerning you at some point. I think she was upset at me for defending Spirit Science once, as I recall. It appears you still stay involved with her work though, so maybe she has buried the hatchet.

I still have the emails for whatever reason.

Probably should delete them. No use activating an old energetic spiral, eh?

Thanks for reminding me!

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 10:36am
yes, I have no use for them. What you do with them is up to you ^_^

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 10:38am
Teal and I had a falling out towards probably the same time you entered the scene. We both agreed to cut the ties, and went several years without contact. It was only recently that I opened up communication again. I believe in Love, and I don't think anything good can come from animosity. I have had my own share of growth these past few years, and I felt deep down that, moving forward, it was in everyones best interest for us to be connected, and to become friends again.

I've had some communication with her since, not tons, but some, and it has been a healthy reconnection for the most part. I would like to be more connected, I feel that through connection we can blend through problems that arise between families and communities, and that, at the end of the day, is what this is all about.

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 10:49am
Oh, and i'm not sure about any "code cracking" but to me, forgiveness is probably the biggest thing that can allow for a moving of old energies that got stuck from bad experiences. Both for yourself for your own actions, and for what you felt the other party did, even if they don't necessarily agree.

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 10:58am
I listened to the first part of the "ugly truth" interview you did... I don't necessarily agree with Jessica's idea that its good and healthy to cast judgement, in the way that it was described.

Who knows what's good or bad?

Judgement, to me, should be reserved between God and the individual. Meaning you can judge yourself, but to point at another and say "They are a fraud. They are evil. They are doing it bad!" is not for us to cast upon each other. When we die, the forces that move the cosmos, call it what you will, personally I like "The Mind of God", make the perfect and appropriate movement of where your spirit moves to next. Frankly, that's enough for me. There's no reason to presume we know better than the Cosmic Mind, and in fact, when we let go of the need TO judge another for their actions, it releases a tremendous amount of suffering from our own physical being.

Wasn't it Buddha who said... We will not find happiness if we cast expectations upon others on how they should live, in accord with our own understanding?

From that perspective, everything that Teal did was perfectly right, and so was yours for that matter. God has learned much from the exchange, and now its time to move forward, forgive, reflect, grow, and understand more.

Could you imagine if you and Teal could both see each other as equals, and even be friends?

What would it take to make that happen? What would it look like? I speak of this hypothetically of course, because without doing the spiritual work, and genuinely forgiving and coming to a space of complete surrender to Love of every aspect of Teal (and everyone else you've had frustration with in your life), the vibe will not be complete, and attempts to reconnect will likely be met with more frustration until it is completely resolved to Christ (Unity) within your heart.
Hopefully that's not too wordy. I am still learning to communicate these ideas without sounding dogmatic or creating links to different religions. In truth, all religions are about Christ, and Christ is about All.

Even if it doesn't seem that way ;)

Anyways, all of my love to you! I'm going to get back to my Parables, I've got a lot of work to do before Launch on the 20th!
Talk to you later!

Cameron Clark
6/12, 4:52pm
I see. In other words, you're getting into business with teal again and you'd like her critics to shut up. Good luck with that. All best. <3

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 5:01pm
I am positively shocked!
How did we extrapolate that?

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 5:04pm
I ask this genuinely, because this wasn't my intention while I wrote that at all, and perhaps I was not clear in what I was attempting to express.. I understand you have been hurt, and I would never imply that you should "shut up" in regards to this topic...
My most humblest apologies. I didn't intend to insult you... Would you forgive me?

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 5:05pm
Do you really see me as a being of such a shallow nature?
A human with such a blatant ego?

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 5:24pm
You missed a call from Jordan.

Jordan Pearce
6/12, 5:28pm
I feel like... You're really angry at Teal, and because you feel as though I am defending her, that you therefore must be hard against me as well...

I am neither here to defend teal, or to tell you to shut up.

In fact, you can vent if you need to, I will listen to all of it openly and respectfully.

If you can see that, let us have an open communication together. Lets leave the drama at the doorstep.

Love you,

Jordan Pearce
6/15, 2:20pm
Do you have any interest in finishing this conversation?

Cameron Clark
6/15, 4:38pm
Hi Jordan,
Thank you, but no, I don't have any interest in continuing our conversation. I already have quite a bit of information posted online, where I have discussed my concerns about Teal with others, ad nauseum. If you care to truly understand or learn more, you can see what I have posted on my blog and youtube channel.

Aside from that, I have no desire to repeat myself. I wouldn't want to get "stuck in any spirals of the past" (as you put it).

I'm all done discussing anything with Teal's flying monkeys.

But thanks again, and best of luck to you with Teal. Take care <3

Jordan Pearce
6/15, 5:11pm
And so it is :)

Jordan Pearce
6/16, 9:13am
Good morning! Forgive me for messaging you one final time. I just felt something that I wanted to communicate and resolve, even if it is only for my own mind.

I may have used Teal as an example, but I was not talking to you ABOUT her. I was speaking of love, forgiveness, and compassion. To me, this is what the conversation was about.

My love to you,

Cameron Clark
6/16, 11:12am
I admire your persistence. I will consider going forward with a dialog, but only if I have your permission to publish our entire conversation.

Jordan Pearce
6/16, 11:58am
Hello Cameron. You may do what you will. It is not for me to give permission to you, but should you publish anything, all I ask is that you publish it in full, without edits. I will know.

I only wished to communicate about compassion, forgiveness, and love, and while they may seem flowery to some I assure you they are the keys to creating the heaven on earth we so desperately need.
Teals involvement is only in that, it is what brought us here to this point in the first place, and I believe we can honor her presence for that, for without her, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Is that something we can agree upon?

At a point in time when you would like to discuss openly the nature of compassion with me, please know that I would be more then happy to engage with you.

Have a beautiful day.

Cameron Clark
6/17, 3:43pm
Hello Jordan,

I will publish your words verbatim. Thank you for attempting to clarify some of your prior statements. I hope you can understand that from my perspective, your approach sounded a little condescending. In my opinion, lecturing a total stranger on how they should best be moving forward in life isn’t a great way to start a conversation, not if you truly believe them to be your equal. Just to remind you, your very first message to me was something along the lines of--- “Hello Cameron... saw some of your videos… hope your well, and moving forward not getting stuck in spirals of the past.“ :)

Perhaps your concern was genuine. Perhaps you actually meant well, and just lacked the self-awareness to see how preachy this sounds. Or maybe it was all part of your plan to pull me into a reactive conversation. In any case, I have no hard feelings towards you. I found it rather amusing, and I’m simply giving you some food for thought in my observations of your approach.

Perhaps I jumped the gun by assuming you were reconnecting with Teal in a business capacity. In all honesty, I’ve been hearing that through the grapevine, for a while, and I’ve seen that her material is popping up on your site again such as this. So, when you write, “I've had some communication with her since, not tons, but some, and it has been a healthy reconnection for the most part. I would like to be more connected, I feel that through connection we can blend through problems that arise between families and communities, and that, at the end of the day, is what this is all about,” that’s what it sounds like to me. But, perhaps it would be fairer if I just ask you. Is Spirit Science reforming a professional connection to Teal Swan?

It seems to me that you have made some assumptions where I am concerned. While I have no desire to get dragged through the weeds philosophically in a conversation with you, there are some notions that you (and others) have stated about me and my motivations that I feel compelled to correct, or at least attempt to clarify.

First of all, Jessica Schab does not speak for me and I do not speak for her. If you have opinions about her statements, you should take them up with her. There are many things that Jessica and I disagree on, and if you choose to look a little deeper into what I have posted online, you will see that my cautionary tale about Teal, extends far beyond the interview I did with Jessica.

I have my own opinions on the issue of judgment, so since you bring it up, I will attempt to clarify my own thinking on the matter. You are speaking of judgment in terms of “God’s” judgment, or condemnation. When I use the word judgment, I am using it in the sense of using good judgment or discernment. This kind of judgement was/is an important tool for human survival and evolution. It’s alarming that this important concept is vilified in the name of spirituality and religion. Often times we are being taught to ignore our own internal compass to avoid judging others. Judgment allows us to use our critical thinking, and can be the key to self-preservation, in some cases. Since we obviously haven’t yet created the “heaven on earth” you mentioned, using our observation and judgement attentively is still necessary to avoid dangerous situations and dangerous people.

I believe that love, forgiveness and compassion are different than allowing, condoning, and supporting toxic behavior. I have forgiven Teal, and myself (most importantly). I am aware of why I ended up in that situation in Utah, and I have taken responsibility for my choices every step of the way. Forgiving Teal doesn’t mean that I allow her pathological lies, and abhorrent behavior toward me and others (like her alleged abuser) to continue unchecked, without raising awareness about it. Forgiving myself doesn’t mean that I stop reflecting on my experiences and continue to bumble along repeating the same mistakes. Similarly, forgiving a pedophile or serial killer, as Teal has claimed to, doesn’t mean that we just stay silent and allow them to perpetuate the cycles of abuse and suffering. (Yet, this is exactly what Teal says she has done, because you can’t protect victims “from their own point of attraction.”) That’s like saying that source doesn’t judge rapists, so we should all just sit back and relax, as they continue to roam free raping and murdering people in our communities.

Believe it or not, I have quite a bit of compassion for Teal, but I refuse to be an enabler for her narcissistic and sociopathic behavior like everyone that she chooses to surround herself with. In my opinion, a huge component of compassion comes from being willing and able to understand why people behave in the ways that they do. I think I’ve taken the time to understand Teal pretty well, and I have come to the conclusion that any connection with a person suffering from the personality disorders (cluster b) that she appears to suffer from, is an unhealthy connection to have. It is still possible to have compassion/understanding for someone who lacks basic self awareness, while still maintaining healthy boundaries and suggesting others do the same.

Furthermore, over the course of my interview with Teal’s alleged abuser, “Doc,” he provided strong evidence that Teal’s entire backstory is a fabrication, that she is using to achieve her goals of fame, money, and power. I find Doc to be a good, decent man who is being unfairly maligned by Teal. Is Teal the only person in this equation worthy of compassion? Where is your compassion for Doc and his family? How can Teal, or anyone else for that matter, expect to see lasting changes for the better without being truly honest about where he/she is? I don’t think that hiding behind a selectively fake mask of “authenticity,” to fool others the way that Teal does, is the best way to change for the better either.

What value does Teal actually provide? What is she saying that can’t be found in a better, more coherent form, elsewhere? Teal is simply plagiarizing, cherry picking, and hybridizing from already existing information. LaVaughn has traced Teal’s plagiarized ideas back to their original sources in her blog post seen here. . Teal is also relaying this information to people through the filter of what appears to be several serious personality disorders, which in turn, contributes to her hybridizations having some dangerous implications for many people who may unwittingly choose to take her advice.

At the end of the day, my reason for speaking out is not due to a lack of compassion. I am not speaking out due to “getting stuck in spirals of the past.” If anything, I’m trying to prevent the past from repeating over and over again. My motivation for speaking out is not “hate.” I am motivated to speak out of concern. I am concerned about Doc’s safety, I am concerned about the the state of our world, and I’m concerned about the way humans have been programmed to blindly follow authority. I am motivated by my desire to one day live in a world with fewer followers, and more rational, independent thinkers. If you can understand that, and check your assumptions about me at the door, then maybe we can have an honest and open dialog.

Jordan Pearce
6/18, 6:42pm
Thank you for your time


For all Jordan's talk about "Christ (Unity)," connection, love, and compassion, I can't help but notice those things seemed conspicuously absent in his departure from our conversation.

Here are some of the questions I am left with, that I would like to have pursued in further communication with Jordan. He says he saw only the beginning of my interview with Jessica Schab. Did he see or read any of my other commentary? Was he unaware of any of Teal's other critics? How did he reach the conclusions he did? What were his false assumptions about me based upon? Why did he contact me, in the first place? If it was not to discuss Teal, as he said in his later messages, why? Was it simply to lecture a total stranger on the meaning of compassion? Is it only the Teals of the world who deserve such compassion? What about her victims? What about the people she has harmed, maligned, targeted for collective verbal abuse? What about those she will victimize in the future? Do none of these people deserve the compassion of being warned, in advance? These are things I'd really like to know, so, Jordan, if you're reading this, I'd still like to discuss this with you.

Update: Jordan to Add Teal's Paintings to Spirit Science Store (6/22/16)

An observant commenter from LaVaughn's blog tipped me to something interesting on Jordan's site. Here are two screenshots taken from Jordan's website showing a link to Teal's frequency paintings, which are going to be sold in the new Spirit Science store. Jordan never gave me an answer as to whether or not he was renewing a business relationship with Teal, but according to this information on his site, the answer is yes.

NOTE-- Given my work schedule, I find that I don't have time to field comments. If you wish to comment, this blog post can also be found crossposted here.

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