tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9452357094246573702024-03-04T23:17:43.176-08:00The Truth About Cameron Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03507442518292568083noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-945235709424657370.post-8397329791780893172016-06-28T21:10:00.001-07:002016-07-13T17:48:24.577-07:00My Central Issues with Teal Swan's Brand of Spirituality; an In-Depth Discussion with Teal's Supporters<i>Appearing at <a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/">The Truth About Cameron</a> and <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/">Celestial Reflections</a>.</i> <br />
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Since my decision to speak out publicly regarding my experience with Teal Swan, I've had some fairly in-depth private discussions with people who have taken it upon themselves to message me over the past couple of years. My goal with this blog is to: (a) highlight some of the central issues I have with Teal Swan's "work," (b) challenge some of the popularly held attitudes and philosophies found in the spiritual community in general, (c) clear up some of the misconceptions many people seem to have about me, and (d) eliminate redundant messages from people who may try to contact me in blind defense of Teal in the future. To serve public interest, what follows is a compilation of paraphrased excerpts from back and forth exchanges with various people: </h3>
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What is your motivation to build your life around the mission to destroy the person Teal Swan? Is it malevolent intention, or is it for a good cause? </h4>
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It is in no way my “life’s mission” to destroy Teal Swan or anybody else. My intention, and I’ve stated this repeatedly, has been to tell my own story and let people make up their own minds from an informed place. My objective in making my experience with Teal public has always and only been to inform the public. It’s my hope that when people make decisions about whether or not to work with or follow her, they have as much information as possible, not just the spin she and Blake provide. <br />
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I am motivated to speak out of concern. I am concerned about Doc’s safety, I am concerned about the state of our world, and I’m concerned about the way humans have been programmed to blindly follow authority. I am motivated by my desire to one day live in a world with fewer followers, and more rational, independent thinkers. I think Teal’s audience is only one small example of the ways people around the world are being manipulated, fed false hope, and led astray by “leaders,” every day. In the US, one doesn’t need to look hard to see the same issues being mirrored in our political system; we have Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton as our next presidential candidates. Enough said. I am very concerned about the deleterious effects gurus and celebrity idol worship have on people’s minds. <br />
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It seems that most people believe they need to follow someone stronger, wiser, or richer, in order to “succeed.” It seems that many followers think that they need to hear what gurus like Teal have to say, in order to understand how to live their lives to the fullest, in some way. It is in this way that I see people actually giving away their power to others, under the guise of becoming more empowered. <br />
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I’m motivated to speak out, because I don’t believe we are born to follow others, who position themselves as authorities, like Teal. It seems to me that humans may have just been conditioned for so long to follow, that we have forgotten how to think for ourselves, along the way. I do realize this is a very widespread issue, which in no way begins or ends with Teal. I know that I don't have the answers to all the world’s problems, and I've learned to run from anyone who claims that they do. I am not so naïve that I think that the issues or the problems of our world can be solved with an<a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-complete-interview-of-teal-swans.html"> interview of Teal’s alleged abuser</a>. Simply exposing the inconsistencies in Teal’s backstory solves nothing, without educating her followers. The goal in exposing the truth about Teal’s alleged abuser, Doc is not only to wake up Teal’s followers to the ways they are being deceived by Teal, but also to the ways they are deceiving themselves. In doing so, my hope is that they won’t just keep jumping from guru to guru, picking and choosing from a smorgasbord of recycled misinformation in the new age community. <br />
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My whole goal in speaking out is to encourage people to think for themselves, question authority, and not follow or worship any living guru or spiritual teacher, including Teal Swan. I have stated before that I view Teal as a microcosm of a much larger issue. Even if Teal were to quit her “career” as a “spiritual teacher” tomorrow, the problems of the world would not be solved. There will always be a steady supply of gurus ready to take Teal’s place, as long as there are people willing to follow them. The issue I see is that humans are conditioned to follow authority, without question, from the time we are born. I do include myself in this category, which is why I have felt a strong need to raise awareness on this issue. I have used my own personal experience with Teal to do so. I believe that questioning and holding ours leaders accountable is paramount for our future, and the place I’ve chosen to start dismantling the deceptions from, seems about as good a place to start as any. <br />
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True, if you destroy one cult leader, another will follow. I see no need to demonize spiritual teachers. In my eyes cult awareness starts with educating the sheep not killing the shepherd. I’m a grown-up, and I can discern what feels right for me to learn from Teal. I like Teal very much. She is an inspiration to me. I also like to learn from nearly anyone who crosses my path. I enjoy hearing from many different perspectives, so I follow the work of many spiritual teachers on many different subjects. Why not follow a spiritual leader? </h4>
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Sometimes your answer is in the question itself. I've noticed all too often that seekers become addicted to answers and new age gurus who dispense feel-good platitudes like spiritual drugs. People tend to justify their need to keep chasing the next spiritual teacher to get their next fix, convinced that everything is perfect, because they have “the ability to discern.” I fail to see how Teal is inspirational, or effecting lasting positive changes, when she is just like any other spiritual drug dealer who fosters dependence in and encourages worship from followers. Why do people feel the need to defer to an authority for answers in the first place? Why do we cling to irrational beliefs and irrational people in exchange for the illusion of psychological security? Why do people choose to follow gurus at all? Would any surprising revelations develop if more people started sitting with those questions themselves? <br />
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It should be an integral component of any true spiritual teacher's message to encourage people to think for themselves, do research for themselves, listen to other people, etc. And Teal certainly does this. </h4>
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I agree that it's integral for a true spiritual teacher not to foster dependence in their followers. Unfortunately, it's not clear at all that Teal’s teachings encourage people to question or think for themselves. Teal might occasionally give lip service to that idea, but it's undermined constantly by phrasing like: "what people need to understand is...," "what most people don't know is...," and her constant claims to speak exclusively from "universal perspective." If we're all one, we all speak from a universal perspective, but that's not how Teal conveys it. She uses that "universal perspective" of hers to bully people into agreeing with her. <br />
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Not to mention that in order for people to be a member of her Teal Tribe community (online and in person), they must be a sycophantic worshipper who essentially enables Teal. In the event that members express doubt, question Teal's authenticity, or dare to mention material written by her critics (let alone read it), they are banned from Teal Tribe and labeled "haters." Any Facebook posts or comments containing information that is critical of Teal are automatically referred to by Teal as "Anti-Teal" "hate" speech. Teal has made it clear on numerous occasions that critical content of her will not be tolerated in her tribe. She trains her other sycophants to demonstrate their blind loyalty to her by keeping her followers in-line. In efforts to gain favor with Teal, her flying monkeys ostracize, attack, and report any members who dare to say that Teal is anything short of miraculous.<br />
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I've made it a practice to listen to the perspectives of countless different spiritual teachers over the years, so I would recognize if Teal is teaching something that is way off base. She offers self-help videos for free to assist people in their daily lives, and I find her spiritual insights compelling and inspirational. So far, she is batting a thousand on nearly every topic I've encountered. It seems she is facilitating our expansion/evolution. How is Teal categorically imbalanced, off course, and a danger to society with what she is teaching? </h4>
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I have to disagree with you. I recognize Teal's teachings as WAY off base. Teal is repackaging old ideas that promote the glorification of selfishness, consumerism, and celebrity idol worship, and selling them as “self-love,” “self-worth,” and “positive world change.” Gurus like Teal, who proffer superficial ideologies, appear inspirational, in the short-term. It’s because they act like drug dealers, targeting miserable and vulnerable people at their low points, providing temporary relief and distraction from a person’s discontent. <br />
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Many people are convinced she is helping them because they find comfort in "feeling good." Unfortunately, convincing a bunch of spoiled westerners to focus on feeling good in the short-term, doesn’t mean that something is beneficial for humanity’s long-term evolution. Many people feel good when they take drugs, but the long-term effects are usually detrimental. Unfortunately, I see the ideas Teal proffers acting more like a virus to human intelligence, and keeping people from waking up in the long run. I’ve also seen Teal’s tendency to urge people (like me) toward suicide, when she is angry with them, so her pro-suicide messages, along with her admitted suicidal ideation, is also extremely alarming. <br />
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Teal would lead you to believe that our life's purpose is to be happy. Happiness is ephemeral, not some end state to spend your life striving for. I believe humanity is discontent for a reason. Rather than trying to constantly control our thoughts and emotions to escape our discontent, why don’t we try to clearly and rationally understand why we are unhappy in the first place? <br />
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Following your joy is not a new concept, and it's actually the foundation of hedonism. Teal seems to think it's okay to follow her joy no matter who she steps on and uses to achieve that. I think that chasing your joy to the expense of all else seems to be exactly why we are in the predicament we are in as a species. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Isn't this what humanity has been doing over and over again for millennia? I would encourage you to think more historically about this. Spirituality isn't new, and the teachings of real complex thinkers like Confucius and Socrates have been around for thousands of years. Even still, where are we now? <br />
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You've stated you have made it a practice to listen to many different spiritual teachers over the years, so I am curious as to what positive world change you believe someone like Teal is really offering us? <br />
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Personally, I see more materialism, consumerism, and superficial phony gimmicks like frequency paintings, jewelry, clothing lines, and abundance meditations to be purchased online. I see Teal encouraging us all to fall in love with money. I see her encouraging people to dedicate their lives to seeking fame and recognition. I see her saying that outward beauty is a reflection of spiritual attainment. I see a woman claiming that she will one day be rich enough to buy countries, and I am concerned about what living in a world or even a Teal owned country based on Teal's vision would be like. I see Teal as a woman playing the same exploitative game of capitalism and calling it positive world change. <br />
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I personally know Teal has a knowledge base of economy and finance that begins and ends with Robert Kiyosaki's books like: <i>Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Rich Dad's Cashflow Quadrant, </i>and <i>Rich Dad's Guide to Investing</i>. Robert Kiyosaki is a man who has dedicated his life to ensuring that capitalism survives and thrives. I also happen to know that Robert Kiyosaki's Cashflow 101 and 201 board games are among Teal's prized game collection. <br />
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In my opinion, this enlightened perspective that Teal is peddling seems like a carrot and the stick tactic. There is nothing Teal teaches that hasn't been said better and elsewhere from other sources. I see Teal promoting hedonism, narcissism, and solipsism while throwing phrases like "shadow work" and "spiritual enlightenment" into the mix. I do see a shift happening, but it's a shift into more delusion, materialism and consumerism. It's not the awakening that people in the New Age community are hoping for. <br />
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It is my belief that Teal and her teachings are leading people off the rails. She offers quick pick-me-ups, and uses many theosophical buzzwords to placate lost and desperate people. Her teachings don’t empower, because they foster dependence on and addiction to her as a person. "her teachings” are not free. People pay her dearly with their time, attention, and money. She is eating up their energy and adoration, and altering their thought processes. <br />
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The direction Teal is leading people feels very misleading. I believe that committing to life means more than just learning to justify manipulating everyone and everything around us in order to feel good. I believe committing to life means more than chasing money, chasing fame, master manifesting a successful relationship, and doing “shadow work” in order to find someone to blame for attracting the things you don't like into your experience. <br />
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I happen to think that our purpose might be to try to truly observe and understand the world in which we live. If we all made a sincere attempt to do that without following the deluded advice of confused and disempowering gurus like Teal, who strive to control and move everyone around them like chess pieces, then perhaps we could start working together to collectively make some different decisions. Maybe then we might begin to see positive world change. I don't see progress when we just continue to play follow-the-leader in attempts to get better at the same old games of hierarchy, consumerism and materialism. I think seeing the world for what it is, instead of what we would like it to be is the best place to start a change. <br />
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How can we ever expect to see things change if we are deluding ourselves? How is it progress when we listen to people like Teal telling us to lie to ourselves and others as long as it "feels good"? How is it helping to stick our heads in the sand and refusing to see where we actually are as a species? What about trying to understand our own minds and learning how to think for ourselves, instead of listening to people like Teal telling us what to believe, what to focus on, and what to think?<br />
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<b>I listened to <a href="https://youtu.be/wLgYlh9aMDw">this video</a> Teal released on suicide. I didn't hear her urging anyone to commit suicide. She stated that people who commit suicide will oftentimes reincarnate to face the same struggles over again. She said that it was preferable to choose life. I agree with her that suicide isn't something that's "wrong." It's a person’s prerogative to decide for themselves whether they want to live or die. It’s a matter of choice and their own freedom of existence. I sensed a lot of compassion from her coming through on the issue. </b> <br />
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The problem arises in that she is working with, in some cases, very vulnerable people with various traumas and pre-existing psychological disorders. If Teal were a licensed therapist, dispensing this kind of advice could cause her to lose her license and possibly face criminal charges. At no point in that video does she offer any constructive advice on how to prevent suicide. Suicides are prevented all the time, and many who've been prevented from suicide are grateful. It took nearly three years and over 150,000 views before Teal released an additional "cover-your-ass" video on suicide, in which she finally posted a suicide hotline number. Teal has also been known to say outrageous things like: “Suicide is a reset button,” "That's why it feels so good to die," and to describe death almost like it's winning the lottery. It's dangerous. It's also badly paraphrased Abraham/Hicks, like so much of her work. <br />
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What's stranger about <a href="https://youtu.be/wLgYlh9aMDw">the video you watched</a>, is that it was released six days after her own client, <a href="http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/saltlaketribune/obituary.aspx?pid=157758347">Leslie Wangsgaard</a>, committed suicide. By Teal’s own admission she had pressured this depressed woman to decide whether or not she wanted to "commit to life." She also urged Fallon and myself to kill ourselves when she was frustrated that we weren't responding to her manipulations in the way she hoped. <br />
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That being said, I encourage you to take a look at this video: <a href="https://youtu.be/d770X_6BadM">https://youtu.be/d770X_6BadM</a> (53:26- 54:22). Teal relays the following: <br />
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<i><span style="color: #0b5394;">I actually-- interestingly enough, lost my first client to suicide this last year. And this was a woman who was absolutely miserable. I'm talking every moment of her life was a nightmare. And so we had that very serious sit-down talk where we had to say, alright, we're either committing or not committing to life because every time I gave her a suggestion she'd stop in two days doing the suggestion. So then we have to ask the question do we really want this to work? And what's interesting is that when she asked herself that question the answer was, "No. I'm done." There's nothing that any healer could ever do for that type of vibration which is totally fine. From source energy there's nothing wrong with death from that perspective. So, she chose to commit suicide. Interestingly enough it took her about two days before she was reincarnated again. (audience laughter) Yeah. Not only that-- two days before she was reincarnated to another family situation that mirrored the one that she had already chosen.</span></i> </blockquote>
Teal is categorically wrong in saying that no healer that could ever do anything with a suicidal person's vibration. Just because Teal became frustrated in helping that woman, doesn't mean that somebody more qualified than Teal shouldn’t have been recommended to help her. Teal has a major god complex, she gave reckless and irresponsible advice to a clinically depressed client here, and it may have cost a woman her life. <br />
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Somehow this doesn’t appear to be a mistake to Teal. I felt no remorse from Teal in that story. Her demeanor during her narrative leads me to believe she actually thinks that scenario made her look good. I find it terribly sick and sadistic that Teal advised a client that the best answer for her was suicide and then laughed along with her audience about the irony of that poor woman incarnating into the exact same life situation that she was in before. According to Teal, her client died confused and miserable, and she came back to an equally painful situation. Why is Teal grinning? How is that funny? How is any of this funny? A woman died! Why wouldn’t the woman have been better off sticking around and at least trying to understand why she was so unhappy instead of just trying to escape it and starting all over from the beginning? I didn't sense a bit of compassion coming from Teal during that story. It sounded like a cruel joke on Teal's part at her former client’s expense. It actually nauseates me a little to think that Teal is still out there “counseling” people in this cold and cavalier manner. <br />
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<b>I think that what she is teaching is absolutely right on. She isn't teaching "just focus on the positive", ignore what is unpleasant or inconvenient, quite the opposite. Teal teaches people to have more love and patience for themselves. She's teaching that ultimately people have control over their reality through their own thoughts and emotions. Whether people believe the Law of Attraction (LOA) to be sacrosanct or not, I think it's important for people to become more aware of and conscious of what they are thinking about and feeling. It’s important to honor the truth of those thoughts and emotions. These changes in people are what the world needs right now.</b> <br />
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I do not see a possibility of positive world change by creating a new age wave of narcissism the way Teal is trying to do. We're spoiled in the Western world. I really don't see any depth or authenticity to what Teal is offering. She’s encouraging people to nurture their narcissistic, solipsistic, and hedonistic tendencies. Teal doesn’t teach people to have more love and patience for themselves. She teaches the virtues of selfishness. Many of the tenets Teal propagates can actually be found in Anton Lavey's Satanic Bible, which is also known as <a href="http://www.churchofsatan.com/satanism-and-objectivism.php">Ayn Rand’s objectivism</a>. <br />
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I wonder how effective a Teal workshop would be in Afghanistan. Teal would have to sit and tell the families of the people being beheaded and children being raped that they have law of attracted their realities. I'm sorry, but I happen to believe we are collectively responsible for our actions as human beings. We are all connected, and our world experience doesn't begin and end with the comfortably western cultures we were born into. I would love to see her explain how her spirituality 101, 2.0, and 3.0 is going to bring about enlightenment and peace in the middle east. Are these people supposed to all just sit in dirt trenches doing shadow work in the midst of bombs and gunfire going off around them? <br />
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Am I to believe that if only these unfortunate souls had internet connection, then Teal could really help them? Do you really believe that all the ills of the world would be solved if only people could just learn to do Teal's shadow work, where they fall into their feelings and revisit the traumas of mom making them get their own juice when they were two years old? Do you expect me to believe that by doing this, they can miraculously go back in time and never have been a match to being born in the middle of a third world, war torn country? <br />
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Rather than even addressing the impracticality of this, I have heard Teal suggest you just withdraw your focus from those atrocities. She suggests that people choose better thoughts to think. Don't watch TV or the news, because it's negative. Focus only on yourself and what feels good to you instead. Teal would lead you to believe that paying attention to how <i>you</i> feel is the most important thing to do on this planet. She teaches that your focus should be on your own internal reality. Just do Teal's version of shadow work, and sit around following your feelings, as if YOUR feelings are the only feelings that matter. By doing this, she claims your external reality will miraculously change. I see this as deluded. I believe this LOA idea is promoting moral callousness and apathy toward the plight of others. Especially when she’s saying that the souls of people are choosing to experience their suffering, and they are all law of attracting their reality. To me this is as ridiculous as saying that we are all heading off a cliff as a species, but the privileged souls who choose to focus on “feeling good,” while remaining apathetic to the suffering of their fellow man, will be among chosen few who survive the impact of the crash. <br />
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<b>Teal’s main emphasis is shadow work, and she's walking the talk in terms of turning the focus onto herself and looking into her own patterns. </b> <br />
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She's not teaching shadow work. Debbie Ford taught shadow work. Jungian psychologists teach shadow work. What Teal does is actually what Jung called "shadow projection." She never takes responsibility for her own toxic behavior. She just excuses it all by using the word "shadow," and her shadow stuff always turns out to be someone else's fault -- usually her parents, the Mormons from her hometown, her alleged "abuser," or the hospital where she was born. Real shadow work involves taking personal responsibility, and Teal never does. <br />
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It is gravely concerning that Teal claimed she has counseled soldiers with PTSD through their traumas using her version of shadow work in one of her <i>Tea Time with Teal </i>episodes. The prospect of Teal actually working with severe trauma victims is worrisome to me. Soldiers with PTSD have a very high suicide rate as it is, and it’s disturbing to hear that Teal is being allowed to play out her egomaniacal mind games on vulnerable people who may already be exhibiting signs of depression. <br />
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Teal claims she is effectively showing people how to reach an empowered perspective through shadow work and something called <i>The Completion Process</i>. Meanwhile, she is still garnering pity for her alleged traumatic past. Teal is promising that her version of "real" shadow work is going to cure even the most shell shocked and war torn veterans. Yet somehow, after all this expert shadow work on herself, Teal still feigns being unable to cope with plugging in appliances in her documentary trailer? <br />
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For what it’s worth, this is just more performance art for the camera. I personally witnessed Teal plugging in her blow dryer, phone charger, and Fallon’s laptop many times, without so much as a pause while I was living with her. Aside from that, I find it puzzling that after all of this shadow work on herself, Teal still claims to suffer from conveniently unpredictable PTSD seizures, and she has never been left alone with her own son. This doesn’t look like “walking the talk" to me, and it certainly doesn’t attest to the effectiveness of her shadow work. I could go on and on about the insane logic, inconsistencies, lies, and lack of authenticity here, but for the sake of brevity, I'll move on. <br />
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<b>How are Teal’s processes dangerous? Teal is helping people tap into their emotions and real feelings below the surface. She teaches that by doing this, people can tune into their subconscious, bringing subconscious patterns more to light. Why isn’t this a positive thing? </b> <br />
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If you haven't already, I want to encourage you again to check out <a href="https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:celestialhealing.com+blog+teal">LaVaughn's blog posts about Teal</a>. Specifically, I recommend the noncasts in the comment section of <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=12">this post</a>. <br />
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I am going to include concerns here that have already been noted there by LaVaughn in regards to Teal's practices prescribed in her Spirituality 101, 2.0, and 3.0. Lavaughn writes: <br />
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<i><span style="color: #0b5394;">After a few years of regurgitating LOA, positive thinking stuff, Teal did an about face this past summer. By her own admission this was a 180. But rather than simply admit that she'd bought into a faulty premise, she just rolled out a new product. <br />
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It goes something like this: You've tried feeling good. Now try feeling bad. <br />
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I have long been critical of LOA vehicles like The Secret because they encourage active, willful denial. This is, to my way of thinking, antithetical to authenticity and presence. So, at first blush, I liked Teal's support of the honest expression of darker emotional states. But it quickly became apparent that it was another extreme and emotionally manipulative practice. Neither approach, steering people into manufactured positive feelings or having people drudge up painful memories, facilitates presence. None of it simply meets and supports people where they are. <br />
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Worse, she's giving "shadow work" a bad name. This is not shadow work. It's a witch hunt through the psyche to unearth trauma, real and imagined, for which people can find whole new reasons to blame their parents. Where I come from, that's just another form of shadow projection. To approach it as she has with her 2.0 is positively obsessional. Immersing people in perpetually "negative" emotional states is no better than endorsing constant "positive focus." Neither approach is supporting their simply being in the present moment. <br />
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This ignores the fact that you can't actually be in the now and be in denial of your emotions. Emotions aren't time stamped. They're always in the present moment. When we shut down our emotions, we're actually distracting ourselves out of the now. But intentionally drudging up the past isn't being present or in the now either. Relentlessly focusing on painful emotions is no more honest or authentic than relentlessly focusing on "positive" emotions. <br />
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This is why I say I'm more of a "round table of emotions" person. It's not about whether what you're feeling is pleasant or unpleasant. It's about feeling what you're feeling without judgment, or putting it on any damned scale, and allowing yourself to be fully present. <br />
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Obviously people will try to pull themselves out of painful emotions and whatever painful memories come up are associated with them. We can provide support for those authentic emotional experiences. We can and, I think, should stop shaming people for feeling unhappy. But this is different from guiding people directly into emotional storms. It's different from having people drudge up painful memories. If there is real buried trauma there -- as opposed to the juice-related variety -- this can cause psychological harm. If this is done at all, it should be with a qualified therapist who can provide the proper kind of support. A self-ordained "spiritual teacher" is just not qualified to oversee such a process. It's arguably practicing therapy without a license. <br />
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... This is potentially dangerous. She's already lost at least one client, that we know of, to suicide, and here she is advising people to overwhelm themselves with painful emotions and memories without permitting themselves any kind of relief. The assumption seems to be that being authentic means being miserable and more pleasant emotional states are forced. That may well be true for some people, but it strikes me that such people might need a little more help than Teal and her ever-changing methods can provide. <br />
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It's worth it, though. Why? Because 3.0 is, according to Teal, "like the classic definition of heaven." What Teal is offering is nothing short of enlightenment in three steps. That's the carrot she's using to guide her rickety cart. <br />
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In the Ask Teal vid she actually says, ‘I have whittled awakening down to these three primary steps, like the Holy Trinity.’ <br />
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Step One: You buy into some LOA stuff about how you can have whatever you want and despite the fact that this works out just fine -- because, as we all know, law of attracting whatever we want in life works really well -- there's a problem. You're still "thirsty" because your "wants" are really just the flip side of what you don't want. <br />
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Step Two: You decide to face your shadow so that you are no longer being dogged by all those feelings about things you don't want. So you delve into unrelenting misery completely for as long as it takes. <br />
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Step Three: Heaven. Enlightenment. You can create whatever you desire, which, as we know, is different from thirst or want. <br />
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So there you have it. Easy peasy. Three steps and she is doing what the Buddha really failed to do -- actually guiding others into enlightenment. <br />
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There are three major areas of concern here. Concern 101: She seems to be breaking people down psychologically. Concern 2.0: She's driving wedges between people and their parents in the process, interfering with family relationships. Concern 3.0: She's making grandiose claims about what her methods can accomplish. She's promising enlightenment for Christ's sake. As we know, Teal claims to be enlightened. She had that Malkovichian enlightenment some time ago: Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich... (must see art exhibit) <br />
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So is her life just like heaven? Is she free from all want? Is she manifesting effortlessly? Is she beyond suffering? Not if her blog is any indication. <br />
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If anything, we think she's projecting her own suffering onto the Malkovichian faces of her followers. She seems to want to enlist everyone in her psychological drama. She's split from her own parents -- something to do with being expected to get her own juice when she was a toddler -- and now she's convinced herself that everyone's problems in life stem from such "traumas" during ages 0-8. The problem is that her advice may be convincing other troubled souls to separate from their families and enmesh themselves in her "tribe." <br />
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We're concerned that her guidance is destructive, obsessively negative, and really all about her.</span> </i></blockquote>
I would also like to mention that concerned family members have reached out to me for advice on how to extract their family and friends from Teal's “tribe.” I have heard countless stories from people who are alone, struggling, jobless, and homeless after taking Teal's advice to quit their jobs and separate themselves from their families to follow their passions. One concerned mother reached out after her twenty something daughter dropped out of college, abandoned her fiancé and two year old child to move hours away into a communal house with two other girls she met at Teal's workshop. Teal has personally counseled at least two men I know of convincing them to divorce their wives and break up their families when their wives were not fans of Teal. Both of these marriages had children involved. One man had a two year old child and pregnant wife he left devastated when he decided to abandon his family and spend all his money continuing to follow Teal and her tribe around the country to her various workshops. <br />
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I don’t see Teal saying her truth is the one real truth (which some, including infamous cult leaders and various religious institutions have said). </h4>
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Teal isn't a very big fan of truth period. She especially isn't a fan of truth if it doesn't make you “feel good.” It sets off alarm bells for me when a self proclaimed spiritual leader says something like this: <br />
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In other words, Teal thinks we should make the truth what we like it to be. The truth is only important if it benefits you and makes you feel good. Not only is this the worst kind of hedonism and solipsism, but it's an interesting notion when you consider her claims of having endured satanic ritual abuse, having extraterrestrial origins, and extrasensory abilities. For me personally, her disturbing view on truth doesn't lend much credibility, authenticity, or sincerity to anything Teal says. I happen to think that the truth matters. How can we expect to make changes for the better if we aren't honest about where we are? I guess Teal can consider me another person who is addicted to truth, because I think the truth about Teal is long overdue.<br />
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My spiritual path started over two decades ago. I've been meditating since high school. I have a B.A. In World Religions. I've read nearly every spiritual book that crossed my path including: <i>The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying</i>, Gandhi's autobiography, <i>Autobiography of a Yogi</i>, <i>The New Path: My Life with Paramhansa Yogananda</i>, by Swami Kriyananda (Yogananda's direct disciple), and <i>The Right Use of Will</i> (series of 8 books). I've read all of Carlos Castaneda's work. I've lived in spiritual communities that were founded by spiritual authors, including Swami Kriyananda, Solara, and Chris Griscom. I've done Buddhist workshops, yoga workshops and could list countless other spiritual explorations. Point being, I resonate with Teal's spiritual insights, because I think they complement many of the established ancient spiritual and religious traditions. She also takes them a step further, and I find her extremely accurate. </h4>
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I really don’t play the I’m so much more spiritual and conscious than you, because I’ve studied under this guru, meditated for years, mastered a yoga pose, or read that book. Frankly, your assertion that Teal is complementing ancient spiritual and religious traditions only serves to prove my point that she is offering the masses nothing new. She is offering more of the same deception and delusion we have seen for thousands of years in religion and politics. She offers lies and flashy distractions, keeping the disempowered followers caught up in the same old game of hierarchy and celebrity idol worship. It’s all part of the old design meant to pacify the masses, and we have been caught up in the same cycle for millennia. <br />
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Billions of people have spent their lives for thousands of years following the very same spiritual practices or religious paths that have been traveled by others. Where is humanity now? Personally, I think these gurus and swamis that place themselves above others and claim to know the way to some imaginary pie in the sky are not extremely helpful to human evolution. As long as people continue to dedicate their lives to following and adopting the beliefs and perspectives of people who came before them, I don't see how a person can evolve past the disempowered position of being someone’s follower. Placing your faith in some yogi, swami, or religious institution, doesn't strike me as allowing for much forward progress or independent thought; rather, it seems it has been serving to maintain the status quo. <br />
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Consider how many gurus, yogis, Zen masters, and other spiritual leaders have been discovered to have been abusing and molesting their followers and been ultimately dragged down in scandal. Consider how many of them got away with these things because they were enabled by their followers and inner circle. Maybe you believe the ones you have followed are the good and honest ones, but these problems are endemic. Well, actually, if you’re including Castaneda in your list of influences, his abuses of his followers, his plagiarism, his fraudulent research, are all well documented. All these situations are just ripe for abuse of power. <br />
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When I first discovered Teal, I was blown away by how absolutely correct she was on every issue. I already had well established opinions of my own that differed from many of the mainstream views. </h4>
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In other words, you think Teal is right because she validates your opinions. I think that’s common with her followers, however many of them have wildly different ideas about what she’s saying, which is interesting. <br />
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LaVaughn has already drawn up a very relevant analysis of this subject by comparing Teal to columnist, Tom Friedman, in one of her noncasts titled, <span id="goog_1604572894"></span><i>Messiah Complex</i><span id="goog_1604572895"></span>. It can be found in the comments section of her blog by clicking <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=5">here</a> and page searching the word “messiah.” LaVaughn writes: <br />
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<i><span style="color: #0b5394;">What I initially found mystifying about the Friedman columns people sent me was that so many otherwise intelligent people were completely misreading them. For instance, in the build-up to the war in Iraq, many of my friends sent me his columns because they argued so effectively against the looming war. But when I read them, that didn't seem clear at all. In fact, it seemed like he was arguing for war in Iraq. Then I heard him on a Sunday chat show and any ambiguity about his position melted away. He was most definitely in the let's bomb the crap out of Iraq camp. He stated it quite plainly. So why were his columns so confusing that college educated people had no idea what he was actually saying? I think that this is Friedman's true gift and the secret of his success. That he's such a bad writer saves him. No one knows what he's saying or what a pedestrian thinker he really is. <br />
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A Friedman column is like a Rorschach blot, a thi[c]k tangle of mixed metaphors and physically impossible imagery that overwhelms the reader and actually shuts down the intellectual process. Every reader sees something different. They see a reflection of their own preconceptions. The person who doesn't want war in Iraq sees something that seems to support that position in paragraph three. The reader who does sees something else entirely in paragraph six. Both walk away thinking Friedman is a genius for so brilliantly articulating their own position. Or they annoy me by emailing me the column. <br />
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I think teal is the Tom Friedman of the New Age fembot circuit. She is, to borrow a descriptor from [Matt] Taibbi, "the perfect symbol of our culture of emboldened stupidity." Of course where Friedman is merely porn-stached, teal has never really strayed far from her porn model roots and isn't afraid to trade on sex appeal that Friedman lacks. This gives her an even greater advantage when it comes to bypassing her viewers' higher reasoning. But like Friedman, she uses words like rubble masonry, building thick, impenetrable walls of mismatched ideas, mortared together with inexplicable confidence. She closes strong and the more nonsensical and convoluted her explanations are, the more emphatically she pronounces them. In this teacast, for instance, after a particularly incomprehensible bit, she exclaims ‘a hundred percent!’ There are always those phrases like ‘this is super-important, guys,’ after some meandering bit of nonsense…. <br />
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In all her presentations, teal makes sure to include enough buzzwords to appeal to a range of views: blah, blah, blah, oneness, blah, blah, blah, law of attraction, blah, blah, blah, shadow work, blah, blah, blah... And, just as Friedman readers do, tealers latch onto the odd bits of stone that support their own beliefs and pronounce her brilliant.</span></i> </blockquote>
Teal contradicts herself constantly in her videos from one week to the next, because she plagiarizes video content from many different sources. This ensures her videos are (a) riddled with familiar buzzwords and confusing contradictions, (b) securing future listeners by creating dependence on her for further clarifications, while (c) simultaneously invoking cognitive dissonance in her audience. She's keeping people stuck watching her hypnotic videos, in which she delivers stolen information in an authoritative, robotic tone, while dazzling her audience with nonsensical word salads. This allows for people to hear what they want and project their ideals onto Teal, most often without even questioning the mendacity or inconsistency of what she is saying.<br />
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If you want to know where someone stands on spiritual matters, don't ask them about love, kindness, compassion, or service to others. Ask them about their views on things like suicide, drugs, money, racism, Hitler, other religions, and the Illuminati. Teal has offered views on these controversial subjects that don't sound mainstream, or like she could have just read them in a book somewhere. </h4>
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I disagree here, I don’t think that she differs on so many mainstream views of controversial topics at all. Perhaps she differs from many of the political and religious views found on FOX News or CNN, but she’s hardly straying from well known philosophies in her rhetoric. In fact, so many of her views on the controversial topics you mentioned above are similar to <a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/154700/the_horrors_of_an_ayn_rand_world:_why_we_must_fight_for_america's_soul?akid=8475.94566.KcXoat&rd=1&t=2">Ayn Rand’s objectivism</a>. Ayn Rand has been reported by some, as a <a href="http://www.debate.org/opinions/was-ayn-rand-a-sociopath">sociopath</a> and a <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Ayn-Rand-Cult-Jeff-Walker/dp/0812693906">cult leader</a>. My research has indicated that Ayn Rand's philosophies have had an insidious political and social influence for quite some time (<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-gops-affinity-ayn-rand-wont-go-away">notably within the GOP in the U.S.</a>), and Teal squarely lines up with so many of Rand's "<a href="http://www.rawstory.com/2014/12/clinical-psychologist-explains-how-ayn-rand-helped-turn-the-us-into-a-selfish-and-greedy-nation/">virtue of selfishness</a>” principles. <br />
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You're claiming that she has created an inspirational spiritual outlook based on other people's books, videos and searching the internet. Are you really suggesting that all of her teachings are just the result of her regurgitating that? </h4>
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Yes, that is what I know to be true. The ideas Teal proffers are nothing new, and they can all be traced back to their original sources. But I don't expect you to just take my word for it. <br />
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Everyday life and google. She will write down ideas, and then she gets on the computer and googles for things and changes them up. She would be on the computer wednesday or thursday morning writing and googling things for several hours. I was convinced that this was no secret among Tealers, apparently i was wrong.</span></i></blockquote>
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Teal has mentioned before that finding our joy is the purpose of our lives, and this seems very appealing to a lot of spiritual seekers who find their lives devoid of meaning and are looking for a way out of their discontent. One of Teal's favorite mantras she had tattooed on her forearm last year said, <i>"Follow your Joy"</i>. Aside from this concept seeming puerile to me, I was informed that this is also a bastardization of <a href="http://www.jcf.org/new/index.php?categoryid=31">Joseph Campbell’s “follow your bliss,”</a> which is a widely abused and misunderstood phrase that many new agers use without awareness of its origin. Bliss doesn’t mean either joy or happiness. It’s a much deeper concept. In fact, Campbell said later that he wished he’d said, “follow your blisters.” <br />
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Teal’s books are based on teaching spoiled westerners how to live a happy life, by learning how to love themselves using a process for shadow work that is actually shadow projection. She repeatedly makes it a practice to cherry pick, hybridize, and poorly regurgitate other people’s ideas and philosophies in her work. Occasionally she tweaks the information, but her tweaks distort the original meanings in significant ways. Teal's hybridizations are not only cheapening, they often have dangerous implications. <br />
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I think it’s worth noting that she’s been caught repeatedly quoting sources like Wikipedia and Abraham-Hicks nearly word for word, and without ever citing her sources. See LaVaughn's blog post <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2015/11/fullmetal-plagiarist.html">here</a> , for many documented instances of Teal's blatant plagiarism. It was recently brought to my attention that Teal's new book called, <i>The Completion Process: The Practice of Putting Yourself Back Together Again,</i> looks to be largely borrowed from Michael Brown's, <i>The Presence Process</i>. Teal is courting legal repercussions, and so is her publisher, Hay House.<br />
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<b>Teal is more than just a pretty face using her physical beauty and sex appeal to manipulate and charm her way to success. Sure it helps, but physical beauty only takes you so far. You also have to have good ideas in order for people to listen. There are beautiful women on the Miss America pageants for instance that don't hold my attention for long. To really engage most audiences, you need to demonstrate: intelligence, thoughtfulness, cohesiveness, and depth of thinking. That's why I listen to Teal. </b> <br />
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It’s Teal herself that argues that people only pay attention to what is pretty. With all her infinite wisdom, she has deduced that people who are “wrinkly and gray,” “African,” or otherwise physically unattractive, will not be heard on a global scale. She literally said in her BATGAP interview with Rick Archer that “sex sells,” and that’s why she is so popular. She admits to promoting superficial sleaze as spirituality. She made it pretty obvious in that interview that she's racing against the clock to be secure as a guru before her looks totally go. She repeatedly claims that the reason she was intentionally designed to be so “attractive” was so that people will pay attention. <br />
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Teal fails to take into account our current President or nearly every other world leader and politician who is running the show. The fact that they seem to be in positions of power, holding the attention of billions of people with their words and ideas, despite their ethnicities or “wrinkly and gray” appearances, seems to be lost on Teal. Teal doesn’t take into account the fact that many people have written books, captivated audiences, and changed the world with their ideas without being physically attractive. What about Stephen Hawking? Einstein? Tesla? Ghandi? Oprah has also achieved a global reach. As if women aren’t already objectified enough, it’s Teal herself who reduces her success to her physical appearance and sex appeal. <br />
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So, it would be interesting to see you take your point up with her. Maybe you yourself should explain to her why you actually pay attention to people. It does certainly raise the question; how many people would actually resonate with Teal's message if she didn’t have a dramatic but unverifiable backstory and wasn't leveraging her model looks and sexuality to market herself? It also makes one wonder whether people would still believe her stories and resonate with her message if she looked like say, Eckart Tolle. <br />
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<b><span style="color: black;">I wouldn't agree at all that what Teal is teaching is, as you say, all about celebrating physical beauty, seeking fame, money, and other superficial pursuits. I agree that nobody should place looks, money, or fame above love itself, their relationships, or providing a service to the world. But that doesn’t look to me like what Teal is doing.</span> </b> <br />
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<i><span style="color: #0b5394;">Looks matter, they matter to us all. So what do we do to stop being caused so much pain by that fact?....It often worries people that they are being narcissistic if they appreciate their physical appearance. Narcissists are not people who love themselves; they are people who cannot currently connect with others. There is nothing narcissistic about self-celebration. Celebrating and displaying your looks doesn't make you a narcissist, it makes you an artist... The body does not distract from the soul. The body is not separate from the soul. The body is the souls' expression. <br />
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<i><b><span style="color: #0b5394;">The truth is:</span></b><span style="color: #0b5394;"> We’re making money an enemy again. We’d do much better to fall in love with it. Falling in love with money is the opposite of greed.</span></i></blockquote>
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<i><span style="color: #0b5394;">I am successful…I am technicolor… I am an accomplished athlete… I have incredible ‘star presence’... I have a captivating personality... I am regal and elegant… I am very talented[,] I am sensual and mystical[,] I am mesmerizing[,] I draw both fame and money to me[,] I am physically beautiful to look at[.]</span></i> </blockquote>
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<i><span style="color: #0b5394;">I was a performer. I knew that I wanted to be famous and be on people’s television screens and be on stage. At a cellular level, I knew that I was destined to be a star performer… I was overcome by this feeling that on some deeply suppressed level, for the sake of my mother’s core, I am meant to give my family permission to break the highly catholic spell of the ‘moral issue with stardom’. I saw for the first time that my mother did not do this to hurt me; she was trying to prevent me from badness and therefore secure my goodness and ensure that I would be loved. She was also trying to avoid the pain and shadow within her that came up when she watched my desire to be the center of attention…. Now, she is convinced that the only acceptable way to get famous is to do something good for the world, namely help people; and that wanting fame for fame’s sake is nothing short of shameful.</span></i></blockquote>
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That’s just the tip of the iceberg. Google search “site:tealswan.com/teals-blog fame", and 35 blog posts are listed where she describes life as her “fame increases.” I’d say she’s more than a little preoccupied with “fame for fame’s sake.” Let’s not forget she entertained fantasies of being an Olympic skier/skater and international supermodel before she settled on the career of an extraterrestrial, extrasensory, spiritual speaker, author, and “THE poster child” for Satanic Ritual Abuse survivors. Is she about becoming famous because she’s accomplished something, or is she just trying to accomplish things so she can become famous? It looks more like the latter to me. <br />
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Teal’s ex-husband, Sarbdeep Swan, also seems to be of the opinion that Teal’s “teachings” are motivated by shallow, trivial pursuits like fame and money, rather than altruism. In his blog post about Teal titled, <i><a href="http://sarbswan.com/2016/02/27/the-black-swan/">The Black Swan</a></i>, Sarbdeep writes: <br />
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<i><span style="color: #0b5394;">But here is the sting for her: The very ‘fame’ Black Swan uses to attack and vilify others will turn on her, it already is doing so…….</span><b><span style="color: #0b5394;">fame is a very disloyal friend</span></b><span style="color: #0b5394;">. Black Swan has been open about her quest for fame, riches and celebrity, but then again she couldn’t hide it if she tried. Those that seek it are seeking to fill a void in themselves that they believe will give them the recognition and respect they desperately seek, and in her case a false sense of security. The more fame they get, the more the cavernous void in their chest opens up into their being, and the more they seek to fill that hole, it never ends. It’s a Gollum type of existence and not pretty to observe close up. <br />
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….I enjoyed working with her, loved the deal making and was preparing her for the world stage. She needed to clean up her act first though and I tried to help her understand that it is not about Fame, Money and being a Celebrity, but about helping people. Help the people and the fame, status and money will automatically come, should you desire it that badly…but don’t make it solely about that….in the long term it’s a recipe for disaster. </span></i> </blockquote>
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Yes, she has expressed that money, and fame are not wrong. Many spiritual paths also do teach this. I happen to agree. There's nothing wrong with money at all. Money is currently inescapable element in human society right now. Other than reverting back to a hunter-gatherer, tribalist society, what alternative is there? If money is here to stay, and we have to use it, what's wrong with loving it? What is wrong with wanting to use it to gain more freedom, greater possibilities, or to do something to leave the world better off than you found it? </h4>
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Just because you can’t envision a world where people don’t compete for finite resources and power using money, doesn’t mean that there aren’t <a href="https://youtu.be/yeIgtpvFXcU">visionaries and innovative thinkers</a> out there who can. I think it’s telling that you accept what currently is, because you can’t imagine any other alternatives aside from defaulting back to hunter-gatherer tribalist societies. I feel like this type of thinking is exactly why humanity seems to be stuck in the same self-destructive loops we see today. You really believe our only options are to maintain the status quo or repeat history? This is disheartening to say the least. <br />
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The problem I see here is that we’ve already all but made money our religion as it is. I don’t see how glorifying the pursuit of money and power is causing positive world change the way you and Teal are trying to frame this. Your philosophy above reminds me of the saying, “when in Rome, do as the Romans do.” "If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em." That’s fine, but call a spade a spade. That’s not positive world change. You remember what they say about doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results, right? Personally, I think we are in a steep decline as a species, and it doesn’t appear that our current model of living is sustainable nor in harmony with the planet. I don’t think there is any evidence to suggest that our current government or monetary system is here to stay. Look at what is happening in Greece. It seems to me, Teal is simply calling for more of the same consumerist/capitalist agenda we have now. Only her plan enacts capitalism at an accelerated rate, ending with her taking over the world governments, buying countries, and ending up being solely in control. Her vision is the epitome of megalomania. We already live on a planet run by psychopathic corporations. Do we really need another psychopath vying for power? If I felt that Teal were truly capable of using money to leave the world better off than when she found it, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. With Teal being as deceptive, polarizing, volatile, unstable, reckless, impulsive, and sadistic as I have personally experienced her to be, she is the last person I would ever hope would rise into a position of power. <br />
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Teal states that her goal on this planet is to find happiness. In order for Teal to find happiness, she said she must create a non-profit company that single-handedly raises enough money to change the way we raise children, compete with and dissolve governments, buy countries, and rebuild societies to her specifications. The following is a transcript of her public statements to this effect:<br />
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</b> <b>Teal responds:</b> <i><span style="color: #0b5394;">To find happiness. But it just so happens that for me to find happiness means a great many things—means I want to, first and foremost, create a company—a non-profit company, that—um—implements many world changes…</span></i><br />
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<b>Teal:</b><i> <span style="color: #0b5394;">I want to implement changes in how we raise children. I want to implement changes in—um—government especially, because I would love it if this government just dissolved, and the new one came that was more in alignment… But working with the existing government—right now everything is run by corporations. Our world is not run by governments. Governments are in the pocket of big companies that make money off of people. So, essentially, what I want to do is create a company that competes the same way that they do. So, I want this—this company—I want it to invest in ideas that will make a lot of money like new technologies—for example. And if it benefits people, I wanna invest in the company, and then, like any investment company, earn that passive income. But that money is not gonna go out to people; it’s gonna sit there, and be invested in something else; then that earns income; then that gets invested in something else; then that earns income. Pretty soon, this company does nothing but earn passive income. </span></i><b><i><span style="color: #0b5394;">Huge amounts</span></i></b><i><span style="color: #0b5394;">. But because it’s a non-profit, it doesn’t get to be paid to people. It has to keep investing. So then it has so much money that that the investments can be used to lobby, or to </span></i><b><i><span style="color: #0b5394;">buy countries</span></i></b><i><span style="color: #0b5394;">. And then we can start doing these new societies.</span></i> (<a href="https://youtu.be/0pwTM_Jcz_c">https://youtu.be/0pwTM_Jcz_c</a>, 1:19:51–1:23:26)</blockquote>
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<b>NOTE</b>-- <i>Given my work schedule, I find that I don't have time to field comments. If you wish to comment, this blog post can also be found crossposted <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2016/07/my-central-issues-with-teal-swans-brand.html">here</a>.</i>Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03507442518292568083noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-945235709424657370.post-65870675127587198012016-06-19T18:15:00.004-07:002017-07-14T13:36:02.494-07:00A Conversation with Jordan from Spirit Science-- UPDATED<i>Appearing at <a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/">The Truth About Cameron</a> and <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/">Celestial Reflections</a>.</i> <br />
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<a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2016/06/a-conversation-with-jordan-from-spirit.html#frequency">Update: Jordan to Add Teal's Paintings to Spirit Science Store (See Below)</a><br />
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I was recently contacted, out of the blue, by Jordan Pearce, proprietor of <a href="http://thespiritscience.net/">Spirit Science</a>. I have never personally met Jordan. I'm familiar with his work in the spiritual community, but the only personal information I've heard about him has been relayed to me by mutual acquaintances, like Teal Swan. I will refrain from repeating this third party gossip. Let's just say that I wasn't left with a very favorable impression of him. Jordan and I had no prior communication, so I was a little confused by his familiar tone in his initial contact. It seemed rather presumptuous, but I was intrigued enough to respond and see where this communication might lead. <br />
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His second message was more condescending than the first. I saw what I thought was a rather obvious agenda. In retrospect, his motives for contacting me are, at best, unclear. I assumed, based partly on things I'd heard, that he was getting back into a business collaboration with Teal, and thereby had a vested interest in clearing the decks. After seeing this <a href="http://jordanpearce.com/deep-water-adventure-of-a-lifetime/">blog post</a>, in which he describes being "denied access" to her, I wonder if it wasn't more to curry favor with her. Either way, I felt it would be best to break contact with him. To my surprise, he became relentless. He sent me a number of messages and even tried to initiate a voice chat. I decided to re-engage, but only if he would consent to having his words published. He did. <br />
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I wrote him a somewhat detailed reply to what I thought were his major points. I had hoped for a fruitful exchange and realized after I'd sent that message off, that there were a number of things I needed more clarity about. I had begun to prepare a follow-up message, when Jordan abruptly terminated contact and blocked me on Facebook Messenger. Bear in mind that he pursued communication with me for days in messages dripping with affection and heart emoticons. I was blunt and dismissive and still he pursued me. But, when I finally wrote him back with an open and detailed message and invited him to continue with a meaningful exchange, he blocked me.<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 9:55am</span><br />
Hello Cameron! I just saw some of your videos from about a year ago recapping your experience with Teal, which is why we find ourselves here today. I hope your well, and moving forward not getting stuck in spirals of the past.<br />
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<b>Cameron Clark</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 9:58am</span><br />
Haha. Thank you! It's been an interesting journey. I'll say that. I'm not sure that being stuck in the past is the problem. It's feels to me that the world may be stuck in a spiral, and time is the illusion we are given.<br />
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But please, by all means, if you have cracked the code, I'd love to hear what you came up with :)<br />
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A lot has changed for me these past few years or so.<br />
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Teal had some rather damning things to say about you during my time spent down in Utah. She sent me unsolicited emails concerning you at some point. I think she was upset at me for defending Spirit Science once, as I recall. It appears you still stay involved with her work though, so maybe she has buried the hatchet.<br />
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I still have the emails for whatever reason.<br />
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Probably should delete them. No use activating an old energetic spiral, eh?<br />
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Thanks for reminding me!<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 10:36am</span><br />
yes, I have no use for them. What you do with them is up to you ^_^<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 10:38am</span><br />
Teal and I had a falling out towards probably the same time you entered the scene. We both agreed to cut the ties, and went several years without contact. It was only recently that I opened up communication again. I believe in Love, and I don't think anything good can come from animosity. I have had my own share of growth these past few years, and I felt deep down that, moving forward, it was in everyones best interest for us to be connected, and to become friends again.<br />
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I've had some communication with her since, not tons, but some, and it has been a healthy reconnection for the most part. I would like to be more connected, I feel that through connection we can blend through problems that arise between families and communities, and that, at the end of the day, is what this is all about.<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 10:49am</span><br />
Oh, and i'm not sure about any "code cracking" but to me, forgiveness is probably the biggest thing that can allow for a moving of old energies that got stuck from bad experiences. Both for yourself for your own actions, and for what you felt the other party did, even if they don't necessarily agree.<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 10:58am</span><br />
I listened to the first part of the "ugly truth" interview you did... I don't necessarily agree with Jessica's idea that its good and healthy to cast judgement, in the way that it was described.<br />
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Who knows what's good or bad?<br />
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Judgement, to me, should be reserved between God and the individual. Meaning you can judge yourself, but to point at another and say "They are a fraud. They are evil. They are doing it bad!" is not for us to cast upon each other. When we die, the forces that move the cosmos, call it what you will, personally I like "The Mind of God", make the perfect and appropriate movement of where your spirit moves to next. Frankly, that's enough for me. There's no reason to presume we know better than the Cosmic Mind, and in fact, when we let go of the need TO judge another for their actions, it releases a tremendous amount of suffering from our own physical being.<br />
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Wasn't it Buddha who said... We will not find happiness if we cast expectations upon others on how they should live, in accord with our own understanding?<br />
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From that perspective, everything that Teal did was perfectly right, and so was yours for that matter. God has learned much from the exchange, and now its time to move forward, forgive, reflect, grow, and understand more.<br />
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Could you imagine if you and Teal could both see each other as equals, and even be friends? <br />
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What would it take to make that happen? What would it look like? I speak of this hypothetically of course, because without doing the spiritual work, and genuinely forgiving and coming to a space of complete surrender to Love of every aspect of Teal (and everyone else you've had frustration with in your life), the vibe will not be complete, and attempts to reconnect will likely be met with more frustration until it is completely resolved to Christ (Unity) within your heart.<br />
Hopefully that's not too wordy. I am still learning to communicate these ideas without sounding dogmatic or creating links to different religions. In truth, all religions are about Christ, and Christ is about All.<br />
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Even if it doesn't seem that way ;)<br />
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Anyways, all of my love to you! I'm going to get back to my Parables, I've got a lot of work to do before Launch on the 20th!<br />
Talk to you later!<br />
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<b>Cameron Clark</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 4:52pm</span><br />
I see. In other words, you're getting into business with teal again and you'd like her critics to shut up. Good luck with that. All best. <3 <br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 5:01pm</span><br />
I am positively shocked!<br />
How did we extrapolate that?<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 5:04pm</span><br />
I ask this genuinely, because this wasn't my intention while I wrote that at all, and perhaps I was not clear in what I was attempting to express.. I understand you have been hurt, and I would never imply that you should "shut up" in regards to this topic...<br />
My most humblest apologies. I didn't intend to insult you... Would you forgive me?<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 5:05pm</span><br />
Do you really see me as a being of such a shallow nature?<br />
A human with such a blatant ego?<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 5:24pm</span><br />
You missed a call from Jordan.<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/12, 5:28pm</span><br />
I feel like... You're really angry at Teal, and because you feel as though I am defending her, that you therefore must be hard against me as well...<br />
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I am neither here to defend teal, or to tell you to shut up.<br />
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In fact, you can vent if you need to, I will listen to all of it openly and respectfully.<br />
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If you can see that, let us have an open communication together. Lets leave the drama at the doorstep.<br />
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Love you, <br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/15, 2:20pm</span><br />
Do you have any interest in finishing this conversation?<br />
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<b>Cameron Clark</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/15, 4:38pm</span><br />
Hi Jordan, <br />
Thank you, but no, I don't have any interest in continuing our conversation. I already have quite a bit of information posted online, where I have discussed my concerns about Teal with others, ad nauseum. If you care to truly understand or learn more, you can see what I have posted on my blog and youtube channel.<br />
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Aside from that, I have no desire to repeat myself. I wouldn't want to get "stuck in any spirals of the past" (as you put it).<br />
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I'm all done discussing anything with Teal's flying monkeys.<br />
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<a href="http://facesofnarcissism.com/2015/03/23/472/">http://facesofnarcissism.com/2015/03/23/472/</a> <br />
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<a href="http://flyingmonkeysdenied.com/">http://flyingmonkeysdenied.com</a><br />
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But thanks again, and best of luck to you with Teal. Take care <3<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/15, 5:11pm</span><br />
And so it is :)<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/16, 9:13am</span><br />
Good morning! Forgive me for messaging you one final time. I just felt something that I wanted to communicate and resolve, even if it is only for my own mind.<br />
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I may have used Teal as an example, but I was not talking to you ABOUT her. I was speaking of love, forgiveness, and compassion. To me, this is what the conversation was about. <br />
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My love to you,<br />
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<b>Cameron Clark</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/16, 11:12am</span><br />
I admire your persistence. I will consider going forward with a dialog, but only if I have your permission to publish our entire conversation.<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/16, 11:58am</span><br />
Hello Cameron. You may do what you will. It is not for me to give permission to you, but should you publish anything, all I ask is that you publish it in full, without edits. I will know.<br />
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I only wished to communicate about compassion, forgiveness, and love, and while they may seem flowery to some I assure you they are the keys to creating the heaven on earth we so desperately need.<br />
Teals involvement is only in that, it is what brought us here to this point in the first place, and I believe we can honor her presence for that, for without her, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Is that something we can agree upon?<br />
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At a point in time when you would like to discuss openly the nature of compassion with me, please know that I would be more then happy to engage with you.<br />
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Have a beautiful day.<br />
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<b>Cameron Clark</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/17, 3:43pm</span><br />
Hello Jordan,<br />
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I will publish your words verbatim. Thank you for attempting to clarify some of your prior statements. I hope you can understand that from my perspective, your approach sounded a little condescending. In my opinion, lecturing a total stranger on how they should best be moving forward in life isn’t a great way to start a conversation, not if you truly believe them to be your equal. Just to remind you, your very first message to me was something along the lines of--- “Hello Cameron... saw some of your videos… hope your well, and moving forward not getting stuck in spirals of the past.“ :)<br />
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Perhaps your concern was genuine. Perhaps you actually meant well, and just lacked the self-awareness to see how preachy this sounds. Or maybe it was all part of your plan to pull me into a reactive conversation. In any case, I have no hard feelings towards you. I found it rather amusing, and I’m simply giving you some food for thought in my observations of your approach.<br />
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Perhaps I jumped the gun by assuming you were reconnecting with Teal in a business capacity. In all honesty, I’ve been hearing that through the grapevine, for a while, and I’ve seen that her material is popping up on your site again such as this. <a href="http://thespiritscience.net/2016/01/26/watch-the-trailer-for-the-new-documentary-about-teal-swan/">http://thespiritscience.net/2016/01/26/watch-the-trailer-for-the-new-documentary-about-teal-swan/</a> So, when you write, “I've had some communication with her since, not tons, but some, and it has been a healthy reconnection for the most part. I would like to be more connected, I feel that through connection we can blend through problems that arise between families and communities, and that, at the end of the day, is what this is all about,” that’s what it sounds like to me. But, perhaps it would be fairer if I just ask you. Is Spirit Science reforming a professional connection to Teal Swan?<br />
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It seems to me that you have made some assumptions where I am concerned. While I have no desire to get dragged through the weeds philosophically in a conversation with you, there are some notions that you (and others) have stated about me and my motivations that I feel compelled to correct, or at least attempt to clarify.<br />
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First of all, Jessica Schab does not speak for me and I do not speak for her. If you have opinions about her statements, you should take them up with her. There are many things that Jessica and I disagree on, and if you choose to look a little deeper into what I have posted online, you will see that my cautionary tale about Teal, extends far beyond the interview I did with Jessica.<br />
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I have my own opinions on the issue of judgment, so since you bring it up, I will attempt to clarify my own thinking on the matter. You are speaking of judgment in terms of “God’s” judgment, or condemnation. When I use the word judgment, I am using it in the sense of using good judgment or discernment. This kind of judgement was/is an important tool for human survival and evolution. It’s alarming that this important concept is vilified in the name of spirituality and religion. Often times we are being taught to ignore our own internal compass to avoid judging others. Judgment allows us to use our critical thinking, and can be the key to self-preservation, in some cases. Since we obviously haven’t yet created the “heaven on earth” you mentioned, using our observation and judgement attentively is still necessary to avoid dangerous situations and dangerous people.<br />
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I believe that love, forgiveness and compassion are different than allowing, condoning, and supporting toxic behavior. I have forgiven Teal, and myself (most importantly). I am aware of why I ended up in that situation in Utah, and I have taken responsibility for my choices every step of the way. Forgiving Teal doesn’t mean that I allow her pathological lies, and abhorrent behavior toward me and others (like her alleged abuser) to continue unchecked, without raising awareness about it. Forgiving myself doesn’t mean that I stop reflecting on my experiences and continue to bumble along repeating the same mistakes. Similarly, forgiving a pedophile or serial killer, as Teal has claimed to, doesn’t mean that we just stay silent and allow them to perpetuate the cycles of abuse and suffering. (Yet, this is exactly what Teal says she has done, because you can’t protect victims “from their own point of attraction.”) That’s like saying that source doesn’t judge rapists, so we should all just sit back and relax, as they continue to roam free raping and murdering people in our communities.<br />
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Believe it or not, I have quite a bit of compassion for Teal, but I refuse to be an enabler for her narcissistic and sociopathic behavior like everyone that she chooses to surround herself with. In my opinion, a huge component of compassion comes from being willing and able to understand why people behave in the ways that they do. I think I’ve taken the time to understand Teal pretty well, and I have come to the conclusion that any connection with a person suffering from the personality disorders (cluster b) that she appears to suffer from, is an unhealthy connection to have. It is still possible to have compassion/understanding for someone who lacks basic self awareness, while still maintaining healthy boundaries and suggesting others do the same.<br />
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Furthermore, over the course of my <a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-complete-interview-of-teal-swans.html">interview with Teal’s alleged abuser, “Doc,”</a> he provided strong evidence that Teal’s entire backstory is a fabrication, that she is using to achieve her goals of fame, money, and power. I find Doc to be a good, decent man who is being unfairly maligned by Teal. Is Teal the only person in this equation worthy of compassion? Where is your compassion for Doc and his family? How can Teal, or anyone else for that matter, expect to see lasting changes for the better without being truly honest about where he/she is? I don’t think that hiding behind a selectively fake mask of “authenticity,” to fool others the way that Teal does, is the best way to change for the better either.<br />
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What value does Teal actually provide? What is she saying that can’t be found in a better, more coherent form, elsewhere? Teal is simply plagiarizing, cherry picking, and hybridizing from already existing information. LaVaughn has traced Teal’s plagiarized ideas back to their original sources in her blog post seen here. <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2015/11/fullmetal-plagiarist.html">http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2015/11/fullmetal-plagiarist.html</a> . Teal is also relaying this information to people through the filter of what appears to be several serious personality disorders, which in turn, contributes to her hybridizations having some dangerous implications for many people who may unwittingly choose to take her advice.<br />
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At the end of the day, my reason for speaking out is not due to a lack of compassion. I am not speaking out due to “getting stuck in spirals of the past.” If anything, I’m trying to prevent the past from repeating over and over again. My motivation for speaking out is not “hate.” I am motivated to speak out of concern. I am concerned about Doc’s safety, I am concerned about the the state of our world, and I’m concerned about the way humans have been programmed to blindly follow authority. I am motivated by my desire to one day live in a world with fewer followers, and more rational, independent thinkers. If you can understand that, and check your assumptions about me at the door, then maybe we can have an honest and open dialog.<br />
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<b>Jordan Pearce</b><br />
<span style="color: #999999;">6/18, 6:42pm</span><br />
Thank you for your time<br />
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For all Jordan's talk about "Christ (Unity)," connection, love, and compassion, I can't help but notice those things seemed conspicuously absent in his departure from our conversation.<br />
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Here are some of the questions I am left with, that I would like to have pursued in further communication with Jordan. He says he saw only the beginning of my interview with Jessica Schab. Did he see or read any of my other commentary? Was he unaware of any of Teal's other critics? How did he reach the conclusions he did? What were his false assumptions about me based upon? Why did he contact me, in the first place? If it was not to discuss Teal, as he said in his later messages, why? Was it simply to lecture a total stranger on the meaning of compassion? Is it only the Teals of the world who deserve such compassion? What about her victims? What about the people she has harmed, maligned, targeted for collective verbal abuse? What about those she will victimize in the future? Do none of these people deserve the compassion of being warned, in advance? These are things I'd really like to know, so, Jordan, if you're reading this, I'd still like to discuss this with you.<br />
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Update: Jordan to Add Teal's Paintings to Spirit Science Store (6/22/16)</h3>
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An <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2016/06/a-conversation-with-jordan-from-spirit.html?showComment=1466585014699#c7584106593328911142">observant commenter from LaVaughn's blog</a> tipped me to something interesting on Jordan's site. Here are two screenshots taken from Jordan's website showing a link to Teal's frequency paintings, which are going to be sold in the new Spirit Science store. Jordan never gave me an answer as to whether or not he was renewing a business relationship with Teal, but according to this information on his site, the answer is yes.<br />
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<b>NOTE</b>-- <i>Given my work schedule, I find that I don't have time to field comments. If you wish to comment, this blog post can also be found crossposted <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2016/06/a-conversation-with-jordan-from-spirit.html">here</a>.</i>Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03507442518292568083noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-945235709424657370.post-57946387445161358862015-10-31T20:40:00.001-07:002016-10-11T14:45:40.343-07:00The Complete Interview of Teal Swan's Alleged Childhood Abuser<b><span style="color: #0c343d;">by John Anderson and Cameron Clark</span></b><br />
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[**NOTE from Cameron:<b> COPYRIGHT</b> is retained by each individual writer/speaker. It has been claimed that this posting violates the copyright of the magazine in which it was originally published. However, the editor-in-chief explicitly agreed that the contributors to the magazine would retain copyright to their work, in case they wanted to republish their work. She also promised to put a copyright notice, to this effect, in the magazine itself, but failed to do so. I <i>never</i> granted exclusive copyright to my work to the magazine—and to my knowledge, neither did any of the other writers/speakers in these interviews.]<br />
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[UPDATE from Cameron: A number of astute readers have wondered how it could be possible that “Doc” read Teal’s online bio, without realizing that she was referring to him, when making accusations of abuse. I attempted to address the issue in an update, the text of which can be found at the end of this post in the comments section. It occurred to me after posting it, however, that I should simply ask him to further clarify the statements in question. He was kind enough to respond to this query in a follow-up exchange on Nov. 8. I have added these clarifications to his earlier statements in the exchanges below, preceded by asterisks. There is a good deal of new material from this exchange. For "Doc's" response to this particular question, though, see <a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-complete-interview-of-teal-swans.html#clarification">here</a>.]
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Teal Swan has made some remarkable claims about being a victim of satanic, bizarre, sexual and physical, years-long, childhood abuse. In this article, we share the first known interview of Teal’s alleged abuser, “Doc,” concerning the alleged abuse. Included in this article is a handwritten letter Teal allegedly sent Doc in 2004. [Teal's letter to "Doc" is reprinted under fair use, since it serves the public interest.] Here are some of Teal’s claims, regarding the alleged abuse (followed by the interview itself):<br />
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<span style="color: #073763;">In 1989, I was invited to visit the home of a girl who attended the same kindergarten class as I did. Her father was a member of a satanic coven in the area. It was there that I caught the attention of "Doc". I have had to change his name for the purpose of this bio for legal reasons. Doc was in his fifties or sixties at the time. As it turns out, my parents knew him casually already. But unbeknownst to my parents, he was a member of the Blood Covenant, but he had infiltrated a local Satanic coven. Doc was a sociopath with multiple personalities. The only personality that most members of the community saw (including my parents) was a super intelligent, charismatic and successful "do gooder" type of personality. Because of his multiple personalities however, Doc lived a double life. On one hand, he was a likeable, intelligent, local health expert [sic] was obsessed with the study of the human mind; on the other hand, he was a sadistic, [sic] psychopath who attended cult rituals in his spare time. I do not know if he and my parents had crossed paths again before this point, but having developed an obsession with the idea of possessing me, he followed me in his truck when I was riding my pink huffy bike alone one day, pulled me off the bike and raped me for the first time inside a local Mormon stake house.... <br />
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To spare you the graphic details, from age six to nineteen I was tortured physically and sexually in cult rituals. I was raped, deprived of food and forced to undergo three abortions (all fathered and aborted by Doc himself). I was photographed for sadomasochistic pornography, sold to men for sex out of outdoor gas station bathrooms, kept in basements and in a hole in the ground in Doc's back yard [sic]. I was exposed to electro-shock programming, forced to undergo isolation torture and left overnight tied up in lava caves in southern Idaho. I was drugged chronically by Doc with anesthetics (all of which he had unlimited access to due to being a vet by trade). I was chased through the Idaho and Utah wilderness by Doc "playing" tracking games in which he would hunt me, and I would undergo consequences (like having my rib cage cut or being raped) if I was caught. And I was used as a lure to other children that ended up being hurt and on occasion killed. </span>(<a href="http://tealswan.com/biography">This bio</a> is reprinted virtually word-for-word in chapters two and three of Teal’s second book, <i>Shadows Before Dawn</i>.)</blockquote>
Teal has not released “Doc’s” real name publicly, but in 2013, she revealed his real name to one of us (Cameron Clark), alongside her ex-boyfriends Jared “Fallon” Dobson and Blake Dyer, her ex-husband Mark Scott, follower Graciela Hernandez, and follower Flavia Paiva. She apparently told the police his name, as well, as implied by the <a href="http://news.hjnews.com/opinion/editor-s-corner-claims-of-local-torture-cult-got-this/article_401a99ca-581b-11e0-baa4-001cc4c002e0.html"><i>Herald Journal</i></a>:<br />
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<span style="color: #073763;">[W]hen [Teal] took her case to the North Park Police Department and Cache County Attorney’s Office in 2005, there apparently wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute. Deputy County Attorney Barbara Lachmar acknowledged the existence of Scott’s [Scott is one of Teal’s former surnames, the other being Bosworth] complaint when I phoned her office this week, but she would not speak about it other than to say “no charges to date have been filed.”</span> </blockquote>
Furthermore, on June 27, 2015, Cameron received an email from a cameraman for KIVI 6 and FOX 9 in Nampa, Idaho:<br />
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<span style="color: #073763;">Teal's [ex-] Husband [Sarbdeep Singh Swan] did give us the name of the alleged abuser. However, without another victim coming forward AND former charges against him... We will not be releasing his name. His initials are [redacted]. Is this correct?<br />
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[T]he only way we would use Teal's alleged abusers name... would be if formal charges were pressed against him. </span></blockquote>
The initials the cameraman sent Cameron match the initials of the name Teal told Cameron. This comes on the heels of an interview this news agency did of Teal in 2014, accessible at: <a href="http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-ONE-281032042.html">Part 1</a>, <a href="http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-TWO-281032142.html">Part 2</a>, and <a href="http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-ONE-281032232.html">Part 3</a>.<br />
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[<b>Update from Cameron</b>: After being posted for nearly a year directly on the station's website, the day after this blog was posted, the above links to all three parts of KIVI's interview with Teal were conspicuously removed. Clicking on those links now redirects readers to the news station's home site. The original three part news interview can still be seen on YouTube at: <a href="https://youtu.be/fVpsMBeTjHY">Part 1</a>, <a href="https://youtu.be/ucveJR5yEW8">Part 2</a>, and <a href="https://youtu.be/FmzLgfDU_LM">Part 3</a>. It's hard to say how long they will remain posted on YouTube.]<br />
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With his name in hand, the authors of this article were able to contact “Doc.” What follows are excerpts from our telephone conversation, followed by more conversation via email:<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b><span style="color: #0c343d;">June 28, 2015: </span></b></span><span style="font-size: large;"><b><span style="color: #0c343d;">Phone Conversation between Cameron Clark, John Anderson, and “Doc” </span></b></span><span style="font-size: large;"><b><span style="color: #0c343d;">[November 8, 2015: </span></b></span><span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>Following this interview, "Doc" clarified a few matters via email. Each paragraph that has been inserted from the follow-up interview is preceded by an asterisk.]</b></span><br />
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CAMERON: Hi. Is this [Doc]? <br />
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DOC: Yeah. <br />
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CAMERON: Hi [Doc]. I'm Cameron. We were just corresponding via email. I'm sorry for the late call. Is it a good time to talk? <br />
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DOC: I guess. Yeah. <br />
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CAMERON: Alright. Sorry for the call. I know it's kind of random, but it's kind of a sensitive topic, so we kind of wanted to talk to you in person, or at least on the phone. I have a fellow writer from the magazine with me. Is that okay? <br />
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DOC: I have a little hard time hearing on the phone. <br />
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CAMERON: Ok. <br />
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DOC: If you can talk slow. <br />
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CAMERON: Sure. I have a fellow writer for the magazine with me on the call. Would it be ok if we chatted with you for a little bit? <br />
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DOC: Ok. <br />
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CAMERON: Are you there? <br />
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JOHN: Yes, I'm here. <br />
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CAMERON: Ok. John, do you want to start off? <br />
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JOHN: Sure, so, this is a difficult issue to discuss. Are you familiar with a woman named Teal Scott or Teal Bosworth or Teal Swan? Does that name ring a bell? <br />
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DOC: Yeah. <br />
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JOHN: You do know her? <br />
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DOC: Yup. Uh-huh. <br />
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JOHN: And are you aware that she's made accusations against you? <br />
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DOC: I had heard something like that, yeah. <br />
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<b>*</b>CAMERON: Where had you heard that?<br />
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<b>*</b>DOC: Just bits and pieces from mutual acquaintances.<br />
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JOHN: So we wanted to give you a chance to clear your name, because we're very skeptical of the stories that she's been telling, and apparently she's been telling a number of people, and she's been influencing people, and we want to give you a chance to say your side of the story, and hopefully if her accusations are false, to give you a chance to clear your name. <br />
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CAMERON: And I'm just basically concerned for you, to be honest, because I actually know her very personally, as well, and I believe it's very possible that you could be in danger. And I just wanted you to be able to know that, so that's partially why I wanted to be able to talk to you.<br />
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DOC: What particularly is she saying? I don't know exactly what her particular claims are. <br />
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CAMERON: Well, to start off, she's claiming that she was ritually abused and tortured for 13 years by— <br />
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DOC: Yeah, I've heard all that. <br />
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CAMERON: She's telling people your name and information, for one, which is kind of concerning. I mean, these accusations can't really be backed up. And, for two, her soon-to-be-ex-husband now has actually released your name to the media, a media outlet where she did a news interview. And this news outlet actually contacted me, asking about your info, as well, which kind of spurred me to go forward with letting you know what's going on. I witnessed her working one guy up to the point where he wanted to hunt you down and kill you, and I watched her do this in her kitchen. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what's going on, as far as her accusations are concerned. Is she just really mentally ill, and crazy? <br />
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DOC: She is. <br />
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JOHN: Yeah, that's clear. She's clearly psychotic, and I'm not the first person to say this, so it's very concerning, the things she's saying. And she's allegedly encouraged students of hers to kill themselves, and has allegedly been successful in at least one case, so we're very concerned about the influence that she's having. And as Cameron was saying, we're also concerned for your safety, if she's sending people to potentially hunt you down. <br />
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DOC: What particular accusations is she making about me? <br />
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CAMERON: She's claiming that you dragged her to satanic rituals, and also a Mormon cult offshoot. She is claiming that you were trying to rid the world of evil, because she had special abilities, and that she is some sort of a Eucharist. She also claimed that you had mentored her, and that you stole a lot of money from her, due to forcing her into prostitution. <br />
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DOC: I stole a lot of money from her? <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah, from forcing her into prostitution, and as an underage model. <br />
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DOC: [laughs] <br />
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CAMERON: She told me that you had taken almost $100,000 in money that she made from these modeling shoots that you set up for her when she was underage. <br />
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JOHN: Injecting her with ketamine, right? <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah, so your friend, who worked at a morgue, had access to dead bodies. <br />
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DOC: A morgue? You say, a morgue? <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah, something like an undertaker at a morgue, and therefore he had access to dead bodies. She said that you had sewed her into a corpse for hours as an eight year old child, and lord knows that's completely outrageous, because a newborn baby can hardly fit inside a corpse. <br />
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DOC: [laughs] <br />
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CAMERON: So I don't understand how she thinks that anyone believes these stories, but this is the kind of stuff that's coming out of her mouth. She claimed that she escaped from you, and has since recovered from the Nazi-Germany-style mind control programming you applied on her. <br />
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DOC: Her parents asked me to try to straighten her out a little bit, when they were having so much trouble, and I started taking her around on my rounds. I'm a veterinarian. We were treating animals. And this is where she got started with the hands-on healing stuff. She actually learned that from me. <br />
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CAMERON: Ok. <br />
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DOC: And she kind of embellished that. My relationship with her was from her parents. They asked me to help them out. She got obsessed with horses for awhile, and they didn't know anything about horses, so I managed to find an old horse for her, and we set her up with the horse, and did some rides and so forth up in the hills. <br />
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JOHN: She has said that she went to see a psychotherapist, in I think like Salt Lake City, who has a reputation for basically implanting false memories into her patients' heads, so maybe that's part of what's going on, here, but I wonder: does Teal have reason to be angry at you? Did you have a falling out with her, or something like that? <br />
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DOC: Not actually, but one of the problems Teal eventually had with me, was that she couldn't sucker me into all of her games, because I'd call her on the carpet for the nonsense she was doing. The problem with Teal is, the reason she is so convincing, is that she believes her fantasies. <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah, that's very apparent. <br />
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DOC: And consequently, when she tells these stories, if you're listening to her directly, it seems like she's telling the truth, because to her, it is the truth. But they're totally, completely made up. Where she comes up with the ideas, I don't know, but she's completely disconnected from reality. <br />
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CAMERON: I would agree with you there. <br />
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DOC: And she's not a good liar, from the standpoint of these stories, because she tells all these stories, and you can't match them up. The timeframes overlapped. You know, it's ridiculous. In her bio, for example, she says she was raised in a cabin in the wilderness. Her folks were summer rangers up at Tony Grove Lake. They stayed up there for two or three months in the summer. They're schoolteachers. She didn't live up there—only just in the summer. And she said she had these modeling jobs, and she never really did. She wanted to, but you can't find any ads with her pictures in it. If she was a model, where's all the proof? She also was in <i>Playboy Magazine</i>. <br />
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JOHN: She was in <i>Playboy</i>, or she said she was in <i>Playboy</i>? <br />
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DOC: Well, as far as she's concerned, she was. <br />
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JOHN and CAMERON: [laugh] <br />
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DOC: And I think some of these young men that she kept running around with were just going along with her stories, and taking nude pictures of her, and so forth, you know, telling her she was going to be in <i>Playboy Magazine</i>, and all that kind of stuff. And then eventually, she's telling the story of how she was in Hugh Hefner's house there, for awhile, lived there. <br />
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JOHN: Well, I searched through <i>Playboy</i>, and I did not find any evidence that she was ever in it. <br />
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DOC: No, she never was. And then there's the story about her having a boyfriend in Alaska. <br />
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CAMERON: Trevor. <br />
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DOC: And something about her being addicted and that they went through a withdrawal type of thing. Her mother took her to China, and they did a little studying of Qigong and some of the Chinese arts. She graduated early from high school, and when I confronted her about the fact that she really didn't know anything, as we were doing some work in the veterinary thing—she obviously wasn't an accomplished student of any kind, and I kind of questioned her. How the hell did she graduate early, if she didn't know some of these basic things, you know, like math, and some things? And she admitted that she manipulated the teachers to get out early. She said well, you just have to tell them that you need help, and so forth. So, the bottom line is, if she opens her mouth, she's telling a lie. <br />
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JOHN: Yeah, that's pretty clear. <br />
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DOC: She's the reincarnation of Cleopatra. <br />
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CAMERON: Oh, I thought it was Sai Baba. <br />
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JOHN: [laughs] Probably both. <br />
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CAMERON: [laughs] Yeah. <br />
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DOC: And it just goes on and on and on and on. The stories are just absurd, unending. You know, it's so unbelievable, you can't understand why she has this believability, for other people to come around and listen to her stories. They're so off the wall. I looked at the thing that the newspaper or whatever reported how she witnessed these little Hispanic kids being tortured or killed, or burned up, or something like that. This is so bizarre. How could this have been happening when she was going to school and graduating early and living in North Logan with two schoolteacher parents, and her brother? It's just totally absurd. [laughs] You can't even counter these stories, because there's nothing—you don't even start out with any foundation. She just makes them up out of complete thin air. <br />
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JOHN: So it sounds like you've been keeping tabs on her. I mean, how have you been made aware of everything that's been going on with— <br />
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DOC: I've looked on the Internet to see what had happened to her, and I did that just recently. <br />
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JOHN: What inspired you to do that?<br />
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DOC: I was just wondering what happened to her. <br />
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<b>*</b>CAMERON: I was wondering if you can recall which version of Teal’s bio you read, in regards to the above statement?<br />
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<b>*</b>DOC: Not really, one was a promo for her book, another one or two articles on the internet at various times about her initial interview with a journalist from the local paper.<br />
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[Note from Cameron: It is important to recognize that Teal doesn’t appear to have provided any clues that point directly to “Doc” in her online bio until the end of 2014. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111003144514/http://www.thespiritualcatalyst.com/TealScott-Bio.html">The first online bio of hers that I can find</a> appears to have been published on her website on or around October 13, 2011. Its only reference to her alleged abuser is this: “she was inducted as a child (unbeknownst to her parents) into a local cult by a family acquaintance, where she was routinely ritualistically tortured and programmed for a period of thirteen years.” By contrast, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20141122155808/http://tealswan.com/biography">the first version of her online bio to mention “Doc,”</a> as well as other identifying details, appears not to have been published until November 22, 2014 (or around that time). Point being, Teal has had many bios, in many <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140311094410/http://www.tealswan.com/downloads/Teal_Bio.pdf">places</a>, with numerous revisions, and it's difficult to pin down exactly which version "Doc" ran across online in recent years.]<br />
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JOHN: No one's told you she's made these accusations? You've never been contacted by a reporter, or the police, or anything like that?<br />
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DOC: No. <br />
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CAMERON: Well, I'm glad we told you, then. <br />
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DOC: But she made accusations about her parents. <br />
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<b>*</b>CAMERON: What accusations did Teal make about her parents?<br />
<b><br />*</b>DOC: That they did not understand and apreciate [sic] her, and Gordon was disengaged.<br />
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JOHN: You didn't know that all these accusations that she was making on the Internet about the satanic cult—you didn't know that she was talking about you?<br />
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DOC: No. I had no idea that it was supposed to be me. <b>*</b>Because I am not and never have been a Morman [sic]. Morman [sic] cults were a central element of her story.<br />
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<b>*</b>CAMERON: If you had read her online bio recently, as you stated-- people want to know how it is that you didn’t know she was accusing you-- particularly because she lists so many identifiable traits in that version of her bio: family acquaintance, “local health expert obsessed with the study of the human mind,” veterinarian, etc.<br />
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<b>*</b>DOC: The reason is that Teal has been fabricating stories since early childhood. They were initially the kind of harmless juvenile fantasies that most parents are familiar with, like being the reincarnation of Cleopatra. I discounted the stories then and continued to discount them as she grew older, not realizing that others who were not familiar with her history might actually believe them. Once she began to include sexual elements in her story lines people started to pay more attention. The characters in Teal's original stories were archetypes (angels, heroes, villains etc.) rather than material beings. She only later came up with a specific name when seriously pressured by her boy friend [sic] or husband for the details.<br />
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*I did realize that I was probably the model for her fabricated villain but did not think she would ever go so far as to specifically name him, simply because he was not a real person. Both her mental therapist and the police who they originally reported the case to understood this fact: It never really happened.</div>
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CAMERON: She claims she lured the immigrant children herself. That she was part of it, luring them to be involved in these rituals. And she also claimed that she did so well, because she had dissociative identity disorder, where she could compartmentalize it—she claims she was really high-achieving, because she had dissociative alters. <br />
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JOHN: Yeah, dissociative identity disorder, in case you don't know, is what they now call multiple personality disorder. She claims she has multiple personalities. <br />
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DOC: Yeah, I know about that. I don't think so. <br />
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JOHN: No, I don't either. <br />
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DOC: This is the Teal that I became familiar with, and it's the same Teal all the time. Like I say, she's totally disconnected from reality. Whatever is going on, she makes up stories about it, even when she doesn't have to lie, she does. She makes up stories when it's not necessary. <br />
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JOHN: I'm wondering why she chose you in the first place. I mean, did she flirt with you? Do you think she was interested in you? <br />
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DOC: She learned some of the healing stuff by going around with me. <br />
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CAMERON: Did she want a relationship with you, and get mad at you or something? <br />
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DOC: No. We never had a falling out. <br />
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CAMERON: Did she want a relationship, though? <br />
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DOC: No. I am way older, you know. This was a little baby when I first met her. [laughs] She had her boyfriends bring her up to my place, here in Idaho, years ago—maybe 15—now, I don't know how long it was ago—it was quite awhile—and we had a little discussion about some things, and her boyfriend was doing the same thing that her mother did, they were asking me if I could talk to her, and kind of straighten her out on some things, and he said to me that I was the only one that she couldn't manipulate, that she had a great deal of success manipulating her mother, and she used to take great joy in it. What happened is that she would create situations so that the family got to the point where they couldn't eat meals together, because she would always create a situation for them, so they were all eating independently. They'd come home from work and fix their own meals themselves, and they just couldn't eat a meal together, because she would turn it into some kind of a deal, and she would purposely try to come up with something to upset her mother. <br />
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CAMERON: I believe that. I've seen her do that. <br />
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DOC: It was just like a game that she played, and then she would say something, and her mother would kind of have this reaction, and then she'd turn to me and smile—like, “look what I did.” <br />
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CAMERON: [laughs] I know exactly what that looks like. <br />
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DOC: And her boyfriend, like I say, he said I was the only one that she couldn't wrap around her fingers, and I was always calling her on the carpet and saying bullshit, you know, and that's not right. <br />
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CAMERON: So you're the only person she was afraid of, then? <br />
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DOC: She wasn't afraid of me. She just couldn't manipulate me. Everybody else, she could get them to do things that she wanted them to do, and she couldn't manipulate me, so basically, I think that's why she disconnected, eventually, and didn't want to be around me, because she couldn't get anything out of me. <br />
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JOHN: Yeah, I'm wondering about your last interaction with her. Were you confronting her about her lying and manipulation, or drug use? I mean, was there some particular topic of that conversation that upset her? <br />
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CAMERON: Did she steal drugs, like ketamine, from you? <br />
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DOC: I don't know the details about, like you say, drug use, whether she took drugs, or anything like that. I wasn't around at that time in her life, with all the boyfriends, and the group housing [with her intentional community], and all that kind of stuff. I was long gone, by that time. I only knew about that in retrospect, from what I saw on the Internet. <br />
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JOHN: I'm just trying to figure out what she was so upset with you about. What is it that you confronted her about that upset her so much? <br />
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DOC: I have no idea. In person, we never had any falling out, or anything. <br />
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CAMERON: She corroborates that, actually. She says she escaped. <br />
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DOC: Escaped? <br />
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CAMERON: She claims you had her tied up in holes in your backyard, and whatnot. <br />
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DOC: [laughs] <br />
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CAMERON: The night that she said she got away, she said it was because you made a mistake, and you didn't dose her up with an adequate amount of ketamine. You used to regularly shoot her up with ketamine, according to her. She claimed it was because you had access to it, as a veterinarian. She said that you didn't give her the right dose of ketamine, and so she noticed there were some marks on a dead body that you were forcing her to have sex with. She claims that you tried convincing her that she had been responsible for killing the man, but she noticed that the body lividity and the blood pooling on the body didn’t match up with the timing of when you said she allegedly killed the man. So she claimed that her reality crashed once she realized you had been lying to her, and she got in her car high on ketamine, and drove eight hours away to Blake’s house, never to come back. That was what she said. <br />
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DOC: She got into her car? <br />
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CAMERON: Yes, high on ketamine, and drove off, to go to live with Blake. <br />
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DOC: Well, number one, she never had a car. She had boyfriends who drove her around, from here to there, but Teal never owned a car. <br />
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JOHN: And how did it start? Didn't she say something like when she was, I don't know, five or six, she came to a sleepover at his house, and then, with his daughter? — <br />
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CAMERON: At a friend’s house, she said that you were there, and you knew the friend's father. She said that is when you first had access to her, and that you guys took child pornography pictures with her and her friend, when she was four or five years old. She said that eventually, she was riding her bike, when she was six years old, when you had seen her. You had stopped her on her bicycle, dragged her into a Mormon stake house, where you raped her at six years old, and sent her along her way. <br />
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DOC: We were friends, her mother actually worked for me, years ago, before she got married, and before Teal was born. And so we were friends with the family for years and years, and we were around when Teal was born. We saw her growing up. I got a horse for her. We helped with managing the horse, because her parents didn't know anything about it. <br />
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CAMERON: So her parents just spoiled her, and you just called her out on her crap, her whole life, from the time she was little? And you spent time with her, and you were the only one, because her parents didn't really discipline her? <br />
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DOC: Well, this was in her early life, when they were working at Tony Grove Lake. We would go there sometimes, and ride horses, and Teal was just a toddler, you know, when we put her on the horse, in front of us, and rode around, and that kind of thing. And then I moved to Idaho, and we kind of lost touch for several years. And then eventually, her mother called me, and said they were having all this trouble with Teal, and could I please come and talk to her, because I seemed to be the only one that could straighten her out, in their opinion, from their experience. <br />
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CAMERON: Did you have to straighten her out because she appeared to have hands-on healing capabilities, and did she say she could see things? <br />
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DOC: Their problem was that she had all sorts of problems at school, and they couldn't control her. They couldn't get her to do anything. She wouldn't do chores around the house. They couldn't discipline her. She refused to obey the rules. On and on and on. And so, I went down, and I started taking her around on calls treating animals, and showed her a little bit about healing, and had her work with me on treating some of the horses, and so forth. <br />
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JOHN: How old was she, at that time? <br />
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DOC: Oh, this would be, like, 13 or 14, or something like that, maybe. And then, eventually, when I—I don't know—I shouldn't be telling you what I told her parents, because that's kind of privileged information, and since I don't know who you are. <br />
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JOHN: Well, it couldn't be any more privileged than the things she's telling about you. <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah, I actually met her parents, as well. They're very nice people. <br />
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DOC: Well, I tried to tell her parents what the problem was. They didn't like it, because I basically kind of put some of the responsibility on them, and so they kind of broke off our friendship, when I finally said what I thought was the problem. And then I didn't see her for years and years. I haven’t seen her for a long, long time. <br />
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JOHN: So maybe that's why she was so upset with you, because of what you told her parents. <br />
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DOC: No, I don't think she knew I told her parents. Number one, she wasn't upset with me. She just made the whole thing up. We never had a falling out. We never had an argument. We never had any kind of negative things. The last time we were friends—I have a letter—I got letters from her where she claimed that she loved me, and that I was the only one that understood her, and that kind of stuff. So we didn't part ways with any kind of negative feeling at all. In fact, I think I still have—I probably could find a letter someplace—it's a stupid, teenager kind of thing—but no, she wasn't mad at me. This was all made up since years ago. <br />
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JOHN: When's the last time you corresponded with her? <br />
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DOC: And the whole thing about the Mormon—What's that? <br />
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JOHN: Sorry, go ahead. The whole thing about the Mormon? <br />
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DOC: I'm not a Mormon! <br />
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CAMERON and JOHN: [laugh] <br />
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JOHN: And you're not a satanist, or a Nazi, just for the record? <br />
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DOC: Not that I am aware of. I'm not a Mormon. I don't have anything to do with the Mormon church. I never have. All of that is a confabulation that she's just come up with. There weren’t any negative things. She's made that up. She's made every frickin' thing up. You can't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah, I agree. <br />
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JOHN: So when was the last time you corresponded with her? How old was she, and what happened? <br />
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DOC: I have a hard time remembering when somebody was a certain age, but it was years ago, and she called me, and she was going to the bunny house, or whatever that—what's his name?—Hugh Hefner's place... And that's also when she told me that she was going to be in the next issue of <i>Playboy</i>. And that's the last contact I ever had with her, and that's, maybe, 10 or 15 years ago, or something like that. She had at least two boyfriends bring her up here for visits, for one reason or another, you know, short little day things: stop by, say hello, that kind of thing. She had a boyfriend that was deaf. <br />
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CAMERON: She's also mentioned to me she had a deaf boyfriend, at one point. <br />
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DOC: He brought her up here one time, and another boyfriend brought her up here one time, and was asking me to talk to her, and in none of those cases was there any negative thing. It was all congenial, just, you know: “How are you doing?” “I’m fine.” Like I say, if you try to make any sense out of any of it, you're gonna run into a lot of blind alleys, because none of it has any basis in the truth, whatsoever. I mean, not even to begin with. It doesn't start in a real situation. She sits around and just dreams stuff up. <br />
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JOHN: She seems to have become very dangerous. She's got thousands, if not millions of followers, and as I mentioned, she's allegedly encouraged people to kill themselves. <br />
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CAMERON: Not only is she convincing people to kill themselves, but as I said before, she gets her men very worked up. Her boyfriends can get very worked up, when it comes to these abuse stories. One in particular threatened to hunt you down, and kill you, and I watched her eyes light up. It's like she loves it. She gets off on seeing how far they'll go for her. It's like a game, and I just think it's a very dangerous game she's playing. She's playing with fire, really, and it's not a secret who she's saying that you are. She's basically released your identity, said that you were a prominent veterinarian in the Idaho area, and identified a friend of yours as a mortician of sorts—<br />
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DOC: As a mortician? [laughs] <br />
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CAMERON: —who worked at a crematory of some kind, and so had access to dead bodies. <br />
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DOC: [laughs] Well, see, there is no basis for that whatsoever. Number one, there wasn't a crematorium in my town at that time, and I don't have any friends in that realm. It doesn't even start with any kind of connection with her reality. It's just totally made up. [laughs] It's just like her modeling career, and the torture, the death cults, or whatever it was she said, is totally fabricated. It never happened. There wasn't any, even a little inclination that anything like that happened. She made it up totally. She's a sick individual. <br />
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CAMERON: You think maybe if she gets the help she needs, and maybe is in a padded room with supervision and medication, that she might be better off than out there leading a bunch of people off a cliff, like a virtual Jonestown? Because that's exactly what seems to be going on and brewing down there. She's got this new age alien cult started. <br />
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DOC: Where is she living now? <br />
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CAMERON: Utah. <br />
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DOC: In Utah? <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah. <br />
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DOC: Like what, Park City? <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah. <br />
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DOC: That's another one, where she was on the Olympic ski team. [laughs] <br />
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JOHN: Is that true? <br />
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DOC: No. [laughs] <br />
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CAMERON: It's not true? [laughs] <br />
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DOC: There is nothing about Teal that is true! You can just take it all and forget it, because nothing she says is true! <br />
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CAMERON: I know that. It wouldn't be such a problem if it was just a crazy person on her own, but like I said, she's got a huge following, and a lot of this stuff is downright dangerous. A lot of her advice is dangerous, and there's a certain charisma about crazy people. Also, for your own safety reasons, I would be concerned. I'm surprised nobody has told you what's going on sooner than this, that she's named you, specifically. <br />
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JOHN: She named him to the police and the media, is that right? <br />
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CAMERON: Her husband that she's now divorcing—her third husband—is actually the one that reported your name to the local news media, in Nampa, Idaho. It's an offshoot of Fox News, and she got air time for this. They haven't released—they can't release, I don't think, your name, legally—I wouldn't think. But they do have it. And they actually emailed me, and asked me to corroborate your identity, as well. And I said I'm not releasing his name, because there's nothing that she says that indicated that she's telling the truth. And I actually have seen how he could be in danger. And then they assured me that they were going to do some background checks, and they weren't going to release the information on you. But they did let me know that her husband already named you, and they were looking into it. <br />
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JOHN: And someone called the police, as well, right? <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah. <br />
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DOC: What's that? <br />
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JOHN: Who called the police? <br />
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CAMERON: Teal. <br />
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DOC: Really? <br />
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JOHN: Teal called the police, and did she name him by name? <br />
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CAMERON: Yes, she reported him. There is an open investigation, that started sometime around 2005, 2006. No charges have been filed, but you and these claims were looked into. <br />
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JOHN: And that's in the news, you can actually find that on the Internet. It doesn't have your name on the Internet, but apparently the police have your name, and have been looking into it. I'm surprised they haven't contacted you. <br />
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CAMERON: Yeah. <br />
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DOC: Well, I don't know what to say. <br />
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JOHN: I know this is all probably somewhat of a shock, although not totally, because you know what she's capable of. <br />
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DOC: The shock is that anyone would take anything that she says as being legitimate. <br />
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CAMERON: [laughs] <br />
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JOHN: It is shocking, and she has millions—literally millions—of people watching her videos on YouTube, and she has people living with her, so that's what concerns us, is the level of influence she has, despite her obvious insanity. She's been in the media, she's been on the news, she was interviewed by a Fox news affiliate— <br />
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CAMERON: KIVI TV in Nampa, Idaho. It's an offshoot of Fox. <br />
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JOHN: —where she's saying horrible things about you, without mentioning your name. <br />
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CAMERON: Not in public, but she says it in private, so she's getting these followers all worked up, and then she's letting your name loose behind the scenes, and it's dangerous. It's downright dangerous for you, and I just don't know how long it's gonna go on before something really bad happens. It's already happened with suicides... There's been at least two documented suicides. <br />
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DOC: What is the psychology, here, of these people who you call her followers? They have to be a little bit crazy, themselves, don't they? <br />
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CAMERON: Well, she's playing to their vulnerabilities. She's claiming to have endured all of these traumas, and made it through to the other side. So she's like this inspirational story to a lot of wounded people. So of course she's already attracting wounded people, and then you add this groupthink mentality, and this crazy person telling them all the answers to life. So of course, you've got a Manson-like following, and a lot of them are off their rockers, yes. But she's just adding fuel to the fire. And I do think that that's a problem. She needs to be stopped. She needs to stop doing what she's doing, at least, being a social danger—because granted, these people are responsible for following, but at the same point, you know—it's kind of like trying to cut the head off a snake, really. <br />
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JOHN: You've heard of Jonestown, Jim Jones? <br />
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DOC: Yeah. <br />
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JOHN: We're worried about another Jonestown, honestly. <br />
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CAMERON: Pretty much. She's got a lot of suicidal ideation. I don't know if you noticed. She was a cutter. She had a lot of emotional problems, supposedly, already— <br />
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DOC: Yup. <br />
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CAMERON: —and she's passing that along to her followers: it's okay, suicide's okay, it's a totally valid option…. <br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>June 29, 2015: Email Exchange</b></span><br />
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JOHN: If there are any other details you think might be interesting or useful for us to know, we’re all ears. <br />
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DOC: Teal was obsessed with horses but her parents had no experience with them and asked for my advise [sic] and help. I found a pony for Teal and taught her to ride. Consequently teal and I had a good relationship. Teal's mother contacted me about Teal's troubling behavior and ask [sic] me to see what I could do. <br />
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At the time Teal was supposedly cutting herself (wrists) and they were taking her regularly to a psychotherapist. Unfortionately [sic] the therapy (which including [sic] drugs) did not seem to help. Teal was relatively candid with me as we went about my appointments and I soon figured out that she was just scratching her wrists to simulate a cutting scar. The neighbor girl had been cutting herself and Teal saw what a psychological impact it had on the parents. Teal was scratching her wrists each time her father started pushing her to get a job and do chores around the house, and it worked. She confided in me that she was a reincarnation of Cleopatra and her parents were supposed to be her servants. <br />
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Teal was a master at manipulating her mother and took great pride in upsetting her. When I started taking Teal on my farm calls after school the family had stopped eating together becase [sic] Teal caused so much turmoil at meals. <br />
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I told them she needed to be disciplined...but her mother took her briefly to China to learn the discipline of QiGong which was one of the modalities I had been practicing. <br />
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Teal then decided to be a model and her mother set her up in an apartment in California to explore that option. I don't think that lasted more than a week or two. <br />
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Teal eventually realized that Olympic athletes are usually supported by their parents and that is exactly why she moved to Park City and pretended to be training for the ski team. <br />
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Teal is a master at using sexual inunedo [sic] to manipulate males. It never worked on me because I knew her too well ( from birth on) and that may be why she wants to discredit me now. I do know this, Teal never suffered any kind of physical or sexual abuse as a child. She was not a model, Olympic athlete, or in Playboy magazine. <br />
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<span large="" style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>June 29, 2015: Email Exchange – The Letter</b></span> <br />
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DOC: I did find the <a href="http://s1377.photobucket.com/user/camoclark84/slideshow/TealPublic/Teal%20Swans%20Letter%20To%20Her%20Alleged%20Abuser">[six-page] letter from Teal and attached are images, included photo, and envelope</a>. This was written June 6, 2004 at the time she had just moved to Park City.<br />
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<i><span style="color: #073763;">June 6, 2004 </span></i></div>
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<span style="color: #073763;"><i>Dearest [Doc],</i><i><br />
Noone [sic] has decided what is an easier Sanity, Freedom or Cages with a scheduled feeding and exercize [sic] time. </i><i><br />
I wish too much… To See the world in a grain of sand and the universe in a Sand Castle. I wish I didn’t drown people in the overflow from this little cup I plan to drink my life from. Didn’t only take a burlap sack From Idea to Idea and </i><i> <br />
Leave them, Burning all bridges So None of them Could follow. I wish my Anger wasn’t So Acidic and Sadness <br />
So basic, that Both of them burn. <br />
I wish I wasn’t left wanting of a time where I still Believed an ocean existed inside every spiral shell, and the sound there was waves instead of a change in the air pressure. I wish I wasn’t flawed, but still had places to go towards Self Improval [sic] however small. <br />
So I Could Stare at the grain of Sand and feel the world. Instead of walking beaches and still feeling small or Large, depending on the day.</i></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><i><i>………………</i></i></span></div>
<span style="color: #073763;"><i> I Made the United States Telemark Ski Team. And placed 4th overall at Nationalls [sic] this year (my first Big Competition.)</i></span></blockquote>
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<i><span style="color: #073763;"> I was Training everyday from 7:00 am to 4:30 pm… Training for the 2010 olympics which seems <u>So far away</u>.<br />
I lived with A US. Bobsledder and her Shitzu [sic] puppy, And then ended up in this Fantastic place in Old Town Park City. A little Blue Cottage with My New Girl friend (if you can believe it)<br />
Sarah Elliot, A world record holding Speed skater and olympic Cyclist<br />
And Blake Dyer, My Boyfriend of 1 year Now. (Arial [sic] Skier who’s studying to be an International businessman)<br />
I Just posed for playboy—maybe the Issue will be in late fall or winter. And for the past ½ A year I’ve been on a diet that excludes everything with Sugar because my Seizures were happening every day No processed food either.<br />
I’m So healthy it’s scary. Hasn’t made a dent on the Self destructive tendencies I have Though, I’m starting to think that side of Me wasn’t Meant to change. In fact Aside from having to come home to Myself every Night, Puting [sic] Misery into Action Made Me clock in at 91 miles per hour in March. And All The Elite athletes I’ve been meeting all have a Reason they <u>have</u> to force</span></i></blockquote>
[<b>Note:</b> Doc writes, “In [this] letter she...claimed to be in playboy magazine; no need to research this as it...never happened.” We researched it, nonetheless. A comprehensive search of all photos in the issues of <i>Playboy</i> from June 2004 to May 2005 at <a href="http://www.iplayboy.com/">http://www.iplayboy.com/</a> shows no photos of Teal. Also, a search for “Teal,” “Swan,” “Scott,” and “Bosworth” at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_in_Playboy_2000%E2%80%9309">[site 1]</a> and <a href="http://www.aeolia.net/playboy/playboy.htm">[site 2]</a> reveals no signs of Teal either.] <br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><i>past levels most people stop at.<br />
It seems I’ve lost all Contacts I had with “energy People” And Though I love park city and Skiing, I’m lonely and I imagine Thats [sic] The real reason I’ve dreampt [sic] of you 2-4 times every week I’ve been away and thought of you 5 times more. I read your book again. And it made Me Miss you…<br />
You were around me at a time when I was So fragile the line between life and Suicide was like millimeter Thick ice. Deciding whether to commit to life or Not,<br />
So Things you said felt good. And Some things almost killed me.<br />
<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>I think Sometimes Strength is one thing that can never be given—only randomly acquired. <u>I Miss your day long Speeches</u>. I miss the Theories and the things we’d come up with together. You helped me realize something… I am the unhealed healer. I heal by healing others. I’ve gotten stronger. Therefore more tortured. Visited by <u>much</u> <u>much</u> more. Seen 2 legitimate psychics who both Confirmed what I already know… That my real life’s work will be on the Non Physical Rhealm [sic]. Connecting the 2 like a doorway. Medium Work. People</i></span></blockquote>
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<i><span style="color: #073763;">Animals and plants Needy of that sort of thing have been finding me.</span></i> <i><span style="color: #073763;">And Animals (familiars) to aid me have been finding me too. I’ve never had an easy time (or desired) Talking with Rodents. And I’d end up in Tears Weeks out of time because this is the first Time in my life I’ve Never had a companion animal And now (as of 3 days ago) I own the most expensive Rodent in the world, A chinchilla who I Named Sang. They live 12+ years. And I have fallen in Love. Chinchillas have Very dark energy I wouldn’t have guessed That. They “key in” to one person usually and thats [sic] already happened with Sang and I. I give him dust Baths. And he falls asleep on my chest watching movies. I foundout [sic] he’s a charcoal chinchilla which is pretty rare. And I’ve found out Already That he starts “Barking” when entities enter the room.</span></i> <i><span style="color: #073763;">Are your Mules ok? I wonder every day what you’re doing If you’ve held any Clinics. And found big business.</span></i><i><span style="color: #073763;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>I Always thought your Ideas Were perfect. I heard you quit the</span></i></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;"><i>Veterinary Practice.<br />
I hope everyday that you quitting would make you happier I called some time ago though and [your wife] sounded miserable. So, I was worried.<br />
I May go to the Burkley [sic] psycic [sic] Institute in California Soon. Seeing as how Summer is Way too free! I’m secretly Studying Color Therapy...<br />
Had to figure out what my Fixation w/ surrounding myself in Blue was about. You know, it would seem that knowing what you Are and Want in life is Nothing to Commend a person for here on earth. The people here tear you further apart once you have a direction, Making The pain 3 times thicker. I suppose you could use it as a reason to Succeed. Something to Climb or Run away from.<br />
Sometimes I think I could pretend My life was only a movie I watched and was moved by.<br />
But deamons [sic] will always stay deamons [sic] when you ignore them or lock them up in the closets they hide in.<br />
They eat Fear like fuel,<br />
Needing No real food to Survive.<br />
So they Never starve to death like you wish they would…</i></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;"><i>However,<br />
It is the worst years of your life that deliver you packaged and tied with a bow to the doorstep of the best ones,<br />
And things you don’t Need grow things you Needed the Most.<br />
haha—<br />
Finally, I’ve learned to fall in love with Paridoxes [sic]. In<br />
this world, is just a war of<br />
Curveballs and Catches within a Game that Most of us have forgotten the rules to. I’m ok with that Now. I just have to Commit to playing it,<br />
And get you to Contact me again. So this letter was to tell you that I Miss you.<br />
And I Love You<br />
<u>Very</u> <u>Very</u> much.—My <u>phone # </u><br />
is 1-801-712-2568,<br />
<u>Address</u> is:<br />
po. Box 683506 park city, UTAH, 84068<br />
<u>E-mail</u><br />
qieye@hotmail.com.<br />
Wo Hen Shian Ni! [Translation: “I Miss You Very Much!” in Mandarin Chinese]<br />
[heart shape] your<br />
Teal</i></span></blockquote>
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DOC: She made some claims about qualifying the Ski Team? I know Teal and can tell you that she does not have the ability to sustain an effort for any length of time. She was obsessed with horses but her riding instructor gave up on her because she would not work at improving her riding skills. She seriously neglected her horse, which forced others to feed an [sic] water it… <br />
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I doubt very much whether Teal could discipline herself enough to qualify for the ski team. In her letter to me she claims to have come in fourth in the trials. This is very convenient because they probably don't record who comes in fourth place. You should be able to look up the records to see if she actually ever got on the team.<br />
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[<b>Note:</b> According to Garrett Long, president of the US National Telemark Ski Association (USTSA), it is impossible for Teal to have finished in fourth place, overall, at this competition, because "she finished fifth and eighth [in the events in which she competed], which clearly doesn’t add up to fourth.” <br />
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Mr. Long’s claim is corroborated by <a href="http://www.ustsa.org/events/results/results-2005-prior">http://www.ustsa.org/events/results/results-2005-prior</a>, which reports that the USTSA National Championship at the end of the 2003/2004 season consisted of four events: (1) Slalom, (2) Sprint Classic, (3) Giant Slalom, and (4) Classic. Teal did not compete in either the Slalom or Classic. She finished in last place in the Sprint Classic (of the eight competitors who completed the course without being disqualified) and the Giant Slalom (of the five competitors who completed the course without being disqualified). Furthermore, her times were slower than every woman who completed these courses without being disqualified in the non-elite divisions, making her slower than every single woman who completed an event without being disqualified, in every event in which she competed. <br />
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Teal’s results at the National Championship at the end of the 2004/2005 season were similar. This competition also consisted of four events: (1) Outdoor Research Slalom, (2) Smith Optics Sprint Classic, (3) Voilé Giant Slalom, and (4) Icebreaker Classic. Of the seven competitors in the Outdoor Research Slalom, she finished in last place. Of the eight competitors In the Smith Optics Sprint Classic, she finished in last place. Of the seven competitors in the Voilé Giant Slalom, she finished in last place. She didn’t compete in the Icebreaker Classic. Of the seven women who competed in the elite category, she finished in sixth place, overall. The only thing keeping her from finishing in last place, apparently, is the fact that the last-place competitor competed in fewer events than Teal. <br />
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<span style="color: #073763;">I do not have the records to confirm [whether Teal was given a team spot in the 2004/2005 season.]</span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">What I can tell you is that she was given a team spot in the 2005/2006 season, but didn’t compete in any of the events, including Nationals, in that season, and wouldn’t have been able to achieve the fourth place finish in 2003/2004.</span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">After separating from USSA [United States Ski and Snowboard Association], Telemark had become a less recognized sport, where a B team spot, as opposed to an A team spot, would not necessarily have been competitive.</span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">Just showing up to competition in 2004/2005 was sufficient to get her a spot [on the team] in 2005/2006, but she didn’t compete in any events in the 2005/2006 season, according to our records. In the 2005/2006 season, we’re showing four sanctioned events [that took place], and she competed in none of them.</span> </blockquote>
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Mr. Long also explained that the fact that Teal competed in the “elite” category doesn’t imply anything about her skill, because there were no requirements to qualify in that category. Competitors chose the category in which they wanted to compete.] <br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>June 29, 2015: Email Exchange</b></span><br />
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DOC: Upon some more reflection I think that Teal may feel threatened by my detailed knowledge of her background. I pose a potential threat to the believability of her narrative. I am not really interested in the details of her fairy tales. In my experience documenting the facts does not persuade true believers. <br />
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JOHN: I’d be interested to know what lies she tells in <a href="http://tealswan.com/biography">that bio</a>, and I’d be particularly interested to see any proof you can provide to show that they are, in fact, lies. <br />
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DOC: There should be some public records concerning her parents [sic] employment, residence, and any case opened against me?<br />
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1. Her parents and I were not causual [sic] acquaintances, her mother worked for me as an assistant for several years before they were married. She thought Teal might enjoy working with the animals like she had. <br />
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2. Her parents were both school teachers who were camp hosts at Tony Groove [sic] Lake in the summer. Teal grew up just north of Hyde Park Utah...<br />
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JOHN: So it looks like Teal was wrong when she said, "Doc was in his fifties or sixties” in 1989—because you were [in your forties] in 1989—but she wasn’t off enough for this to [necessarily] constitute a bold-faced lie, or a major delusion. <br />
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DOC: 3. I was [in my forties] in 1989. Teal was never good at math. [Doc showed us his driver license, which confirms that he was in his forties in 1989.] <br />
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4. If there was a case opened against me, no one ever notified me about it. <br />
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5. I think her parents might have noticed some evidence of at least one of the three abortions.<br />
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6. I am not a Morman [sic] or religious (no church affiliation) and have never had any children.<br />
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7. Can she produce any evidence of her modelling career? Where are the adds [sic] she appeared in? She did model for some boy friends but i doubt they paid her for it. Where is the playboy layout they promised her? <br />
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8. Did she ever make the ski team? I doubt it very much because Teal never sustained an effort even for the horsemanship she was obsessed with. Her father eventually sold the horse because she would not take care of it. She never finished any thing she started. <br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>June 30, 2015: Email Exchange</b></span><br />
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CAMERON: I watched her relish in riling up her ex-boyfriend, to the point that he said he would hunt you down and kill you. I sat in her kitchen, and watched her tell him and a group of others graphic details about how you had allegedly sexually tortured her, and forced her to work in BDSM clubs in Vegas. I watched and listened, while she told her ex-boyfriend that you had allowed her sternum to be crushed and broken by a chair, as a man sat with the chair leg on her chest, while masturbating on top of her. I watched and listened, as she told her ex-boyfriend that you had covered her in animal blood, during satanic rituals, and that the cow’s blood had entered scrapes on her body, causing staph infections all over her back. I heard her tell him that the reason she has no moral compunctions against strangers “fingering” her, is that you took her to tantra classes at age nine—and that digital penetration to her is therefore no different than a handshake. This happened after she had allegedly been digitally penetrated by a client during an “energy healing” session in Teal’s house. She told Fallon, her ex-boyfriend, these stories, after he was upset that Teal had allowed this client to digitally penetrate her. He was so angry, by the end of her stories about you, that he went on the Internet to look up your information, and threatened to drive to Idaho in the middle of the night to kill you. He has also publicly alluded to this in a comment on a public blog post. It’s all a game to her, it seems to me, but a dangerous game at that. I think she is potentially putting you in quite a bit of danger. <br />
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DOC: This is what is difficult for many to understand. Teal's stories are not about the specific details, they are about flipping the switch of the person she is talking to. Like pretending to cut herself got her parents to respond the way she wanted them to. The stories about sexual abuse are designed to get a reaction and not about communicating factual information. <br />
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She composes them on the spot according to the way the specific listener reacts. Consequently the stories seldom if ever match up chronologically or factually. If the listener needs to hear the name of the abuser to believe her story she will supply the first one that pops into her head. She does not worry about the potential consequences of her statements beyond the context of the present situation. Consequently her stories are really not about me personally, who in another context she "loves very, very, much" (page six [of the letter she sent me]). <br />
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The thing I find most interesting is that people are obsessed with the specific details of stories that are complete fabrications. It is not about the who, what and where of Teal's childhood sexual abuse, because it never happened in physical reality. It all happened in her fantasy world. <br />
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Incidentally [Teal’s alleged] psychic abilities...are limited. She told us that Elizabeth Smart was definitely buried in the Snowville dump, for example. <br />
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DOC: Unfortunately I made the stupid mistake of giving Teals' [sic] mother my candid opinion of the problem. The big problem in our minds (my wife and I) was that Teal's mother was unable and/or unwilling to discipline Teal in any way and her father refused to get involved. I suggested what [sic] they needed to impose some rules of conduct and strictly enforce them. Consequently and predictably they took this as a personal attack and rejected the whole idea and me for making the suggestion. Teal's mother had a degree in psychology and believed professional therapy was the answer, even thou [sic] it was obviously not working. <br />
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I heard subsequently from mutual acquaintances that they had bought into at least some of Teal's fantasy. They moved physically and mentally out of the picture to southern Utah in order to avoid dealing with the problem they refused to accept any responsibility for. B lamming [sic] someone else (me or some other bogyman [sic]) for the problem is a convenient way to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the mess. <br />
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I believe Teal's continued antagonism with her mother/father was due to her fundamental need for a structured life they did not provide; No rules and no accountability. Her repeated attempts to confront her parents were her way of asking them to provide some guidance. She needed and wanted parenting they were unprepared to provide. <br />
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She has public ally [sic] denounced them and remains estranged as far as I know. Therefore their opinion may have evolved by now.. <br />
[We called Teal's parents. When we told her mother we wanted to interview her or her husband about Teal, she hung up the phone.]<br />
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DOC: Teal's aunt is the astronaut Mary Volgesberg (sp). She theoretically would be a more objective and rational individual than Bobby (Teal's mother). But you never know how much she actually knows about the situation. She probably got only Bobby's limited version as she is not the type to follow Teal's internet adventures. <br />
[We called Teal's aunt, Mary Cleave. Her response: "Teal is my niece. Teal is a family member of mine, and I don't do interviews about family members.]<br />
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CAMERON: I spent a weekend with Teal’s parents at their house in the Escalante Desert, and met her brother several times. I had the sense, while I was there, that her parents were still walking on eggshells with Teal, even though their relationship appeared to be loving and supportive, at that time. She seems to go through constant falling out and reconciliation cycles with them, though. They seem to stay involved in her life rather closely, since the birth of Teal’s son. Her parents are very involved in raising him. I get the sense that they stay in her life for the sake of her son, even though they may not actually buy all of her BS. Teal has recently attempted to publicly patch things up with her parents, but it seems more like a publicity stunt, or marketing tactic. It seems she has dragged her parents through the mud fairly consistently, in the past. I also recall that her brother, Sky, at our second meeting, divulged that he thinks his sister has “an imagination, and a penchant for exaggeration,” which I thought was rather telling, given that I was a virtual stranger to him. <br />
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CAMERON AND JOHN: Did you respond to that letter? Was that the last communication you had with her? <br />
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DOC: I received two or three similar corresponses [sic] over the years, but never responded to any of them, as they just rambled and never posed any questions that needed answered [sic]. This was several years ago and I do not remember any specific details about them except for one which included several revealing photos I wisely decided not to show my wife. I did not intend to keep them and found this one only incidently [sic] while reorganizing my old files a couple years ago. I don't know why I kept it then, but it retrospect it seems to have been a good idea. I also got a couple of telephone calls that I do not remember anything about, except that they were not about any particular issues; just checking in. She had two different boy friends [sic] bring her to Idaho for discussions about my on going [sic] healing research. One was deaf the other was an associate of Gordon"s [sic; Teal's father] in the forest service. This associate of Gordon's was not a [follower of Teal] and could collaborate [sic] much of my account. He said, at the time, that he brought her because he was worried about the confrontational and erratic behavior she displayed at her family's holiday dinner the day before and I appeared to be the only one she could not buffalo (technical term in cowboy psychology).<br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>July 1, 2015: Email Exchange</b></span><br />
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CAMERON Did you know she suffered from "seizures" before receiving that letter? <br />
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DOC: supposedly, yes <br />
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CAMERON: If so, when did she first begin having them? <br />
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DOC: ??? <br />
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CAMERON: What do you think was the cause of them? <br />
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DOC: 1. I was always suspicious that she was faking them to manipulate her mother because she never had one while I was around. Seizures like cutting has a powerful psychological effect on other people. <br />
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2. She was addicted to white sugar. She kept a jar of sugar with a spoon in it under her bed. <br />
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3. The psychologist she was seeing was always trying different medications on her. <br />
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CAMERON: Did you try helping her manage them? <br />
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DOC: I told her to stop eatting [sic] the sugar. <br />
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[Teal and her mother] had an antagonistic relationship when I was around. In one of our many candid conversations driving to an fro [sic] my farm calls Teal said she got the male teachers to help with her school work by being friendly and faking helplessness. She was able to graduate a year or two ahead of time this way. When she wanted something from a male she would hug, touch, bump, and sit close to them. Then pull away quickly if they actively reciprocated in any way.( Accomplished Teaser) <br />
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CAMERON: Teal has mentioned that you were a lifelong bachelor. However, in the letter Teal sent you, she said she tried calling, and, "[your wife] sounded miserable.” <br />
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DOC: [My wife] thought Teal was always trying to manipulate me and did not like it...we have [sic] been married a long time before Teal was born. <br />
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CAMERON: How long have you been married—if you don't mind me asking?<br />
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DOC: 34 years to [my wife] and 15 to [my ex-wife] before that <br />
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CAMERON: I only ask because this is yet another possible glaring inconsistency in Teal's narrative. You wrote, “He said, at the time, that he brought her because he was worried about the confrontational and erratic behavior she displayed at her family's holiday dinner the day before and I appeared to be the only one she could not buffalo (technical term in cowboy psychology)."<br />
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Did you ever witness or learn about Teal being physically violent towards anyone other than herself? <br />
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DOC: No, she was not violent or physicaly [sic] abusive to either people or animals. <br />
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CAMERON: Also, what do you mean by “erratic behavior”? <br />
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DOC: (The associate's words) Disruptive is purhaps [sic] a better word. I told you that the family had stopped eatting [sic] together because she reportedly always created some kind of contraversy [sic] that upset everyone. I never witnessed this first hand however.<br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>July 10, 2015: Email Exchange</b></span><br />
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DOC: The real culprit here is Teal's parents who have refused to face the situation. Bobbie [Teal’s mother] knows full well that I do not fit the profile of Teal's supposed villain. She also obviously knows that Teal's bio is fabricated. Why do they not speak up? Why do they selectively accept the rape allegations when they know the rest is all made up? I think the reason is that they do not want to accept any responsibility for the problem. <br />
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If any part of Teal's fairy tail [sic] is true, her parents qualify as the worst in the world. They did not know she was abducted at night, held captive, raped repeatedly, tortured, aborted three times, attempted suicide, buried in an Idaho cave etc. etc. etc. ????? All that trama [sic] and turmoil was not noted by her teachers either and apparently did not ultimately interfere with her school work? (She graduated early from high school). Scheduling her homework assignments between all those traumatic and emotionally charged incidents must have been difficult. <br />
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[Sarcastically:] The obvious answer is that she is, as she contends, a super natural [sic] being in touch with universal truths, and not a mortal being subject to the laws of nature like the rest of us are. <br />
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DOC: I am surprised that she persisted as long as she did in her efforts to get on to the Olympic team. Her failure to improve over time is due to the fact that she is not disciplined enough to practice. Her horse riding instructor said as much. That riding instructor worked for me for a time as did Bobbie (Teal's Mother).<br />
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CAMERON: I doubt she saw much opportunity for significance and praise in front of an audience with her horseback riding instructor, so it makes sense that her interest in riding was short lived. Is this riding instructor still in contact with you? Teal’s mother told me a story one time that really illustrated Teal's attention seeking behavior and exhibitionism. Teal's mother said that their neighbors had called them to complain when they saw Teal riding around on her horse naked as a teenager.<br />
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Your observations of Teal are consistent with what I observed. Obviously, her efforts in her skiing “career” fizzled out fast, but I’m not surprised that she would have expended at least some effort. Her exaggerated bragging rights to having been an “elite” Olympic athlete would have been incentive enough. I do find it worth noting that when it comes to being recognized for her talents or achievements in front of an audience, Teal is willing and able to sustain an effort. When it comes to doing something Teal likes to do, she has the ability to focus. Teal openly admits to prioritizing time spent on her career (e.g., paintings, YouTube videos, writing, workshops, and interviews), over the time spent taking care of her son. So, I can certainly see where she would not have given a second thought to neglecting her horse, as you previously mentioned. <br />
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As long as Teal sees an opportunity to be recognized for her specialness, or to put on a show in front of either a camera or an audience, I observed that she is quite capable of applying herself. I find this fact contradictory to her claims that your alleged mind control programming was effective in rendering her dependent and helpless, as she would like to make it seem.<br />
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When it came to basic day-to-day responsibilities, Teal didn’t demonstrate self-discipline or consistency. She showed no fondness whatsoever for the drudgery and monotony of housework, chores, and parenting her own son. She only ever seemed to exhibit a sustained fondness for sadistically, mentally, and emotionally picking people apart; being in front of a camera/audience; writing or talking incessantly about herself; traveling; or trying something exciting and new. It seemed to me that her narcissism caused her to view any tedious, repetitive, or otherwise mundane tasks as beneath her. She abhors self-sacrifice, so Teal doesn’t do anything that Teal doesn’t want to do. [Self-sacrifice is so contradictory to Teal's nature, in fact, that it's hard to believe she would have ever suffered in silence to protect her family as a child.]<br />
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She conveniently claims that her undisciplined nature; unwillingness to consistently care for her son, clean house, and do dishes and laundry, is due to the mind-control programming you administered to her as a child. She claims that sophisticated electroshock programming, and other drug-induced mind-control techniques have effectively disabled her inclination toward independence and self-care. She claims that broken glass “triggers” her into dissociative seizures. She won’t do dishes, lest she risk breaking a glass. Meanwhile, drinking out of glasses is a risk she’s willing to take; so is occasionally cooking in the kitchen, but only when there is an audience to impress, and she is in the mood. Teal also claims she can’t do laundry, because you had electroshocked her in the basement whenever she would go near a washing machine. To this day, she claims to suffer from some fear-based, aversive, Pavlovian response to washers and plugging in appliances. Allegedly, the response to touching a washing machine is so powerful for her, that it can “trigger” her into dissociative seizures.<br />
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I witnessed innumerable instances of her using these tales of abuse to garner sympathy and pity from her men, as well as the followers in her “intentional community”(aka cult) that live with her in Utah. She uses these sob stories to justify her indolence, and convinces her followers to do her dirty work for her. <br />
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DOC: 1. The fact that using the washing machine precipitates Teal's seizures is interesting (which is incidentally another fact we have no proof of). This is another example of the central theme of her life, which is that she is above participating in the mundane because she is the reincarnation of Cleopatra and her parents are here only to serve her: she refused to help out around the house, take care of her horse, or get a job. The cutting her wrists charade was a ploy to avoid being forced to get a job and the whole Olympic thing was about her securing her parent's financial support without being held accountable. It lasted until she found a boyfriend who would support her. <br />
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Therefore the claim that someone else who cares will need to do her laundry for her because she can not use the washing machine seems to fit the pattern. I think the fact that she never had a seizure when I was around is because she knew I would not buy it. <br />
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2. Another huge deficit in the story line is the lack of any medical records documenting all the trauma she reportedly suffered. Mortals would have had to see a doctor for the cut wrists, a staph infection, a broken sternum, multiple rapes, and abortions. Did she, as a young child, know how to deal with all these serious medical issues herself, so effectively that her parents and teachers were completely unaware of all those medical problems? Are we to believe that her mother who repeatedly had her examined and treated by mental health professionals, was blind and inattentive to all her physical health problems? Maybe Doc programmed them too?<br />
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My wife says that in Teal's latest TV interview she has relocated the incident to Idaho? I have not seen it but that would seem to contradict her published bio. <br />
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CAMERON: It is important to note the obvious discrepancy in the news interview. [T]he border between Preston, Idaho (which was mentioned in the news interview), and Logan, Utah is only a 30-minute drive?<br />
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DOC: Actually it is more like a 45 minute drive to their home in Hyde Park. An interstate commute (by car) seriously complicates her original narrative of the events. Did she hitch hike or ride her bike home when she escaped?<br />
Imagine: Night time abduction in Utah --> commute to Idaho --> Torture/molestation --> commute back to Utah before her parents awake and in time for her to get to school on time. <br />
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CAMERON: I have a difficult time imagining, let alone believing these accounts. More often than not, Teal’s elaborate and detailed narratives don’t leave much to the imagination. Because she allegedly demonstrated extrasensory/psychic abilities as a child, Teal claims that she was considered an “oracle,” and you were considered her “keeper.” She claims this is an occult tradition going back thousands of years. If memory serves, she said the nighttime abductions were contingent upon her having been previously “programmed” (don’t ask me how) to wake up around 2-3 am on satanic ritual holidays (averaging three per month) and voluntarily sneaking out of her house to go meet you in a designated spot. This is where you supposedly picked her up and drove off to use her in various coordinated rituals (e.g., black masses, calling forth spirits from the underworld, blood drinking, beastiality, pedophilia, child and animal sacrifices, and bible burnings) with the other satanists in the area. After said rituals, you allegedly drove her back home, where she would sneak into her house before her parents noticed. <br />
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Aside from being wholly unbelievable, something else that’s always bothered me in this story is that she claimed that you had convinced her that you were her real father, and she was actually a demon whom her parents would abandon if they ever found out the truth. Yet somehow, she also claimed she was so quiet and complicit in her abductions as a child, because you had threatened the lives of her entire family, should she ever speak about what went on. So, she claims, that like the brave, stoic little demon/martyr that she was, you knew that she would never make a peep. [Considering Teal's adult history of publicly throwing her parents and brother under the bus in blog posts without first considering their feelings, I find it hard to believe that as a child Teal was any more selfless in wishing to see them protected than she appears to be now.]<br />
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Teal also claimed she was staying the night once with her only childhood friend, Lauren, when she woke up in the night and had to walk miles on foot to the normal meetup spot as a (nine or twelve year-old). Lauren is apparently a therapist now, and she was also interviewed in the upcoming documentary we told you about.<br />
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Teal claimed that during the 80’s and 90's, while she was in grade school, the laws protecting grade school children from abductions were more lackadaisical. Therefore, a family friend, like yourself, was able to write notes, excusing her from class, on occasion, without opposition. <br />
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This is when you allegedly set to work on systematically fracturing her mind, and programming different “alter” personalities. She claims that after thirteen years, she ended up with twelve different alters, which she has since miraculously integrated in psychotherapy. She says you are quite knowledgeable and adept at using sophisticated MK-Ultra/Nazi-style mind-control programming techniques, which you’ve studied in great detail, and applied on her. You yourself are an extremely intelligent, maniacal genius, according to Teal. You did not make mistakes, up until the night she claimed to have “escaped.” You always meticulously covered your tracks, during these sacrifices and rituals, which is why she says you were never caught. She claims that whenever you had access to her, you administered analgesic drugs, such as ketamine, to put her mind into a suggestible state; you applied electroshocks; and you brought her to lure and play with foster and immigrant children in the area for sacrifices, rituals, and induction into the cults. She even said you did things like make her watch scenes over and over from gory movies, convincing her they were real, while you implanted memories and threats that were used to fragment and program the alters, whenever her mind was in a suggestible state. She also claims that during these outings from school, you took her to tantra classes (at age nine), and prostituted her out to local satanists, who were into harnessing the sexual life-force energy of children.<br />
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[Note from Cameron<b>:</b> This all sounds like information I've found online when researching <a href="http://vigilantcitizen.com/hidden-knowledge/origins-and-techniques-of-monarch-mind-control/">MK-Ultra</a> mind control conspiracies. A simple google search of MK-Ultra produces nearly 11 million hits containing material on the subject of mind control programming. Teal could have easily stumbled upon this info, read up on it online, and confabulated her experiences in therapy with Barbara Snow.]<br />
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It seems to me that most people are forgetting that people can simply be born mentally ill. It happens. Teal would like to promote the idea that trauma during childhood is the cause of all the ills of the world, but that has simply not been proven to be the case. Many people endure horrendous abuses and trauma, while never becoming psychopaths, serial killers, or pedophiles themselves. There is strong evidence to suggest that psychopaths are born, not made. Teal’s parents would know deep down whether Teal exhibited signs of mental illness from birth (before you entered the picture). Teal has publicly mentioned several times that her mother was always scared of her—even as a baby. If this is true, it seems very telling. It may have been a difficult thing for her parents to deal with and accept, and they surely must have felt out of their depth, in raising a mentally ill child. <br />
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Due to their progressive and new age beliefs, Teal’s parents may have fallen into the trap of thinking that she was chosen to be blessed with psychic gifts, rather than face the fact that she was exhibiting signs of mental illness. Perhaps their beliefs, in this regard, could have even affected Teal’s deep desire to feel special, rather than being humbled by the challenges of growing up?<br />
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It’s really unfortunate, but I can see why Teal’s parents would rather believe, in hindsight, that Teal’s conditions were brought on or exacerbated by your alleged abuses. It might be easier for them to accept this fable, rather than accept that she was simply born a psychopath. It seems to me that they may carry guilt for simply not knowing how to handle her growing up—but the fact of the matter is, they still don’t (know how to handle her). Unfortunately, by enabling her, and indulging her fairy tales, they are a party to her abuses and endangerments to you, her son, and many others. It seems to me that a reality check has been in order for quite some time.<br />
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DOC: I am sure Teal is an example of a recognized psychological condition. We have an ex daughter in-law who is exactly like Teal. She has been characterized as a sociopath.<br />
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1. She lies when telling the truth would be easier and better.<br />
2. When fabricating a story she displays none of the typical subliminal signs of a liar, because a sociopath has no concern for the feelings of others. Consequently people are inclined to believe her.<br />
3. She is a non achiever who fabricates grandiose stories designed to inflate her status. She often wears uniforms she is not qualified to wear.<br />
4. Her stories are typically unrealistic, unbelievable, contradictory and easily discredited.<br />
5. She is not phased when the facts are pointed out by others.<br />
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CAMERON AND JOHN: She sounds a lot like Teal! We agree that Teal fits the profile of a sociopath/psychopath.<br />
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In regards to your ex-daughter in-law: you mentioned, in your previous email, that you had no children. Teal has mentioned this as well. So when you say “ex daughter in law,” are you referring to an ex-wife of a stepson of yours?<br />
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DOC: My wife had two boys in a previous marriage.<br />
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CAMERON AND JOHN: Did Teal ever have any contact with them?<br />
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DOC: In Teal's story of cult abuse, the perpetrator sexually molested her and tortured/murdered young children. It is interesting that the sympathetic reactions to the story focus primarily on the sexual abuse rather than the murders.<br />
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CAMERON AND JOHN: Yes, is interesting indeed.<br />
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DOC: You would think that the murders would be the most egregious acts. Then we have the problem of Teal's initial refusal to name any of the cult members which would have been the first and most important step in preventing any more children from being sacrificed. Is that because it was not her priority to save other minority children?<br />
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CAMERON AND JOHN: Good question. Her callousness and cavalier disregard for the safety of other alleged and potential victims has been noted. At the very least, she had no concern for any future victims, and it’s certainly convenient that she waited to file a police report until her therapist threatened to tell police if she didn't. All these murders and missing children happened with no names of the perpetrators and no evidence whatsoever. It’s absurd.<br />
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DOC: The reason is that the torture /murder scenario is the most difficult to believe.<br />
Murder of who is obviously the big question? There are no bodies, physical evidence, missing child reports, or crime scenes identified. We are supposed to believe that illegal aliens are so afraid of deportation that they would not report missing children?<br />
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CAMERON AND JOHN: Good point. This has been mentioned by other critics of Teal as well.<br />
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CAMERON: Teal’s detailed, elaborate narratives have a way of keeping her audience’s minds busy, and caught up in their emotional centers, while simultaneously disabling their logical centers. She is adept at capitalizing on people’s empathy and trusting natures, in order to play them like mandolins. I and several others have studied the strange effect she has on many otherwise rational people. We’ve taken to calling it the “<a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html">Teal Spell</a>.” The reason she seems so convincing—to many unaware listeners, who are inclined to believe her stories—is that she invokes cognitive dissonance in them. If you observe her affectations, tone of voice, and body language, for any amount of time, it becomes clear that she is a cognitive dissonance factory. She is incongruent in face, voice, and expression in her videos, most of the time. Whether she fully believes her own stories or not is debatable, but there always seems to be an agenda to manipulate her audience, in telling them.<br />
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DOC: The important point is that she always crafts (changes) the story in order to get a reaction from her present tense audience; a reporter in Idaho in this case. If it was Idaho why did she not say that originally? Why not include that important fact in the original police complaint? <br />
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CAMERON: Well, I haven’t seen the actual police report Teal filed. However, this quote, indicating that Teal told police about activities in Southern Idaho, can be found in the online<a href="http://news.hjnews.com/opinion/editor-s-corner-claims-of-local-torture-cult-got-this/article_401a99ca-581b-11e0-baa4-001cc4c002e0.html"> <i>Herald Journal</i></a> article: “She claims he covered her with animal blood to prostitute her to fellow Satanists at a local motel and used her to lure illegal immigrant children to him in Southern Idaho.”<br />
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[Note from Cameron: Teal has apparently filed one police report to date. Teal filed her report in the state of Utah, 10 years ago, at her therapist's behest. At the time, she did not provide enough evidence to police to file charges, and the case has been completely cold ever since. Meanwhile, "Doc" has never relocated, and he is not in hiding. According to Teal's publicly released narrative, she claims she witnessed and participated in satanic rituals where countless immigrant children were abducted, burned to death, and tortured in <i>Idaho. </i>However, in the 10 years since initially filing a report in Utah, Teal has apparently never even bothered to follow-up reporting crimes to the <i>Idaho</i> police. Why is that? Each crime legally had to be reported in the state and jurisdiction that the crime occurred in. Wouldn't it have made more sense for Teal to file the report to the local authorities in Idaho, not Utah, if she were really concerned about preventing the deaths of more children? <br />
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Teal would have had to have been able to provide locations and dates for the crimes she reported to police. The dates in theory shouldn't be that hard to pin down-- since satanic <i>ritual</i> holidays aren't hard to track. The timing of the crimes is easy to narrow down. They all allegedly happened in the middle of the night while Teal's parents and brother were sleeping. Aren't locations like Lava Caves pretty obvious landmarks? <br />
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It is certainly curious that with all of Teal's alleged psychic abilities, and memories that she was never able to provide a shred of concrete evidence. In the 10 years since filing, she hasn't been able to provide any more leads or information for police to follow-up on? There were no names of victims, missing children reports, witnesses, dates, times, bodies, or locations for any of the heinous crimes she says were committed?]<br />
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DOC: By naming me now as the cult leader she is essentially accusing me of murder.<br />
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CAMERON: Yes, not just essentially, but actually, she is accusing you of murder. She is also implicating herself as an accomplice. If it’s true that she helped you to lure children to be sacrificed, and didn’t speak up about it until years after she had “escaped,” it seems clear to me that Teal could be considered an accomplice.<br />
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Not only that, but she’s claiming that all this happened when you had a wife at home? I found it very curious that Teal never mentions your wife, in all these fantastical stories of hers. My guess is that doing so would complicate the plausibility of her narrative. It seems to me that Teal would also be implicating your wife in your crimes, if she were to mention her. How is it possible that, after 35 years of marriage, your wife never noticed that she was married to a sociopath with multiple personalities? <br />
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Did your wife never notice you studying up on Nazi Germany mind-control techniques?<br />
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Is Teal suggesting that your wife never noticed that you were out abducting children late at night, conducting satanic rituals, keeping Teal in your basement for electroshock programming, and tying Teal up in holes in your back yard? I imagine that your wife is very upset by the implications of Teal’s accusations.<br />
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DOC: Did you ever find any advertising that Teal was a model in?<br />
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CAMERON: Nothing high fashion. We only ever found low-quality nude modeling pictures on the porn/prostitution sites on the Internet. It seems she worked with several photographers who may have paid her for nude modeling, at some point, but these were most likely friends or acquaintances of hers. If Teal’s claims of being scouted by a New York modeling agent outside of a feed store at age twelve, and traveling around the world as a supermodel were true, there are certainly no high-fashion pictures or advertisements online or in print to substantiate this. <br />
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DOC: Considering all the rest of her stories how could she have possibly found the time to travel around the world[?]<br />
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CAMERON: Add this to a growing record of Teal’s pathological lies and exaggerations.<br />
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DOC: One problem with debunking her stories is that she changes the details in the next telling to cover the inconsistencies that have been pointed out. It would be like an endless game of wackamo [sic]; trying to counter each new version she invents. <br />
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CAMERON: Not necessarily. Most of her claims are in print and in video. There is quite an extensive archive. If Teal blatantly contradicts her back stories, or starts changing them up to backtrack and counter you at any point, people are going to see this. She can’t hide it. The thing about Teal’s narrative is that she rarely changes up the stories she tells the public. She tells the same stories over and over again, almost as if they are rehearsed. If you were to poke holes in her publicly released narrative, and if she were to change her narratives this late in the game, you’d better believe a large number of people would take notice—particularly people considering giving her more media exposure.<br />
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DOC: Another problem is the fact that we are trying to rationalize with people who are inclined to believe Teal's ridiculous juvenile fantasies. The story line is typical of an adolescent sexual fantasy rather than something an experienced adult rapist would do. These are not rational people who can be persuaded with objective facts. Consequently debunking her stories will not effectively change their mind. That is like pointing out the inconsistencies in any established religious doctrine. <br />
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CAMERON: It’s true that most of the people drawn to Teal and her messages are very egocentric, and many are not playing with a full deck of cards when it comes to logic and reason. Most of them are mindless followers and spoiled westerners clinging to a belief system that exalts their baser consumerist desires. They like listening to Teal, because she makes them feel good about wanting to “manifest” money and their perfect relationships. She makes them feel good about feeling damaged and defective. Finally, when they realize that they are still damaged, defective, and depressed, after taking her advice—and that their “manifestations” aren’t working out the way they had planned—Teal also convinces them to feel good about wanting to kill themselves. Teal has built a career off of being the equivalent of a spiritual drug dealer, dispensing puerile, feel-good platitudes to desperate people. Most of her addicted followers simply haven’t pulled themselves away from her YouTube videos for long enough to realize that they are still just as empty and lost as they day they found Teal. <br />
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Unless she is locked up in a mental ward, with padded walls and supervision, I don’t see us cutting off her primary source of narcissistic food supply. In my opinion, even if Teal were locked up in a mental ward, she strikes me as the type of person who would find a way to seduce the guards, and get their key cards. My guess is that she will always have a core group of sycophantic loons/enablers to support her. <br />
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However, my goal is not to reach those people. There are also rational and influential people who are being pulled into her BS. These are people who are promoting her because she has such a large online following, and they see an opportunity for dollars and cents to be made by piggybacking off her established audience. She already has Hay House Publishing giving her book deals, and a news station giving her air time. She’s getting ready to release a full-length feature “documentary” (more like a shameless hagiography) by the beginning of next year. She is traveling all over the world, spreading lies about you. As of right now, her group of loons is relatively insular. Therefore, if Teal incites any of her lackeys to go after you, it’s relatively easy to trace these people back to Teal in a court of law.<br />
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I’d also like to add that if I would have had access to your perspective, at the time I stumbled onto Teal’s teachings, I never would have gone near her. So it’s not as though every last one of Teal’s current and future followers are a bunch of hard-headed fools. There are plenty of people who may get hooked by her initially, but are still open to reason. <br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>August 8, 2015: Email Exchange</b></span><br />
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DOC: It is interesting to note all the other "psychics" who are calling her out on the internet... These are the kind of people Teal's followers traditionally listen to. A war of the psychics is inevitable and could potentially solve the problem. <br />
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CAMERON: I am not sure what you are referring to here. Sarcasm can be hard to read in email text sometimes, so I’m not sure whether you’re being sarcastic, here, or earnest. I know of only one professional “psychic” who has been publicly outing Teal, so far. I do personally know her. I consider her a very rational, lucid, ethical, and intuitive person, who happens to identify herself professionally as a psychic. To me, she has always come across as genuinely concerned. She believes in “belling the cat,” so to speak. She is of the opinion that fraudsters and fabulists like Teal ruin the profession for all psychics, and she sees what Teal is doing as reckless and socially irresponsible. I happen to agree with her. She has many valid arguments and observations about Teal’s “teachings,” and their effects on people. She has meticulously compiled, referenced, and documented her concerns, in <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=celestial+reflections+teal&rlz=1C1DVCJ_enUS521US521&oq=celestial+reflections+teal+&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.5847j0j8&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=celestial+reflections">[a series of]</a> blog posts online. She has even expressed concern for your safety, to me personally. I would like to note that the police, FBI, military, and other world government agencies have been proven to work with and consult psychics. So, I wouldn’t say psychic abilities are a completely understood and debunked phenomena even for many skeptical, scientific minds.<br />
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For what it’s worth, I personally don’t put much stock in psychics, or their abilities, because I happen to think that everyone has at least some psychic ability. As far as I can tell-- just like any other natural skill or talent, I do think psychic ability can be more or less developed in some people than others. <br />
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DOC: That is exactly right, I teach the veterinarians who take my course how to cultivate this ability. Psychic information comes from external sources, and we all have the ability to perceive some of this, depending upon focus. Water witching is a common form of psychic perception that most people can learn to do. <br />
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The problem with interpreting psychic information is that it can not be understood in terms of materialism. Psychic information can only be understood in terms of Quantum Physics which is about subtle energy fields. This is what I teach in my... Healing courses. "Psychics" must interpret the information they receive and typically make the mistake of assigning it materialized meanings. <br />
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For example a psychic will mistakenly assume that a herb that they perceive to be beneficial for a patient can be safely taken as a material supplement. This is absolutely not true because psychic information is only about the subtle energy of the herb and not its chemistry. Psychic evaluations of plants can not determine their material properties such whether they are chemically poisonous or not. Herbs that psychically test positive must be made into immaterial applications such as homeopathic remedies, flower essences, or soundings before they are can be safely administered...<br />
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Also psychics often confuse the source of the information they perceive. Psychic information can come from the mental activities of others. A psychic who focuses primarily on the mental realm (mind reader) will perceive what someone is thinking. These mind readers will report what their client thinks about reality rather than [report what] the objective realty is. These psychics are consequently very popular with their clientele because they tell them what they already believe is so. Many animal communicators read the pet's owner rather than the animal. (we have proven this with controlled studies).<br />
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CAMERON: While it’s possible that there are legitimate psychics in the world, I did not find Teal to be any more psychic than anyone else I’ve come across. Teal may be observant; she may be adept at reading body language; she may have a knack for commenting on people’s outwardly apparent deficiencies (aka, cold reading), but I’ve seen more accurate predictions in fortune cookies. I am assuming that’s what you were getting at, when you wrote that Teal predicted that Elizabeth Smart’s body was in the Snowville dump? In any case, I’d be curious to hear more about your take on Teal’s psychic abilities (or lack thereof), if you’d care to share.<br />
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DOC: Teal is primarily a mind reader. Therefore she is able to effectively manipulate others by reading their thoughts and emotional reactions.<br />
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It is possible to locate someone like Elizabeth however the psychic reader must be far more mentally disciplined than Teal is. <br />
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Also Teal's focus is totally narcissistic, it is all about manipulating her relationships with others. She can not focus on another person's welfare if they are not interacting directly with her and she can get something out of it. Altruistic intent is impossible to project for a psychopath. <br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; font-size: large;"><b>August 28, 2015: Email Exchange – The Timeline</b></span><br />
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CAMERON: Teal is telling people that you took her away with you on weekends. Is this true?<br />
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DOC: She visited us one weekend in Idaho to try out the horse I had found for her. We visited Bosworths at the Tony Groove lake cabin one time in order to take her and that horse on a short ride outside the corral. <br />
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CAMERON: Can you recall how many trips Teal took with you?<br />
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DOC: Just those two times<br />
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CAMERON: Did you and her go alone on these trips?<br />
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DOC: No my wife accommpanied [sic] us both times.<br />
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CAMERON: I know you said that you took her with you on your rounds when she was a teenager, but can you recall how much time you actually ever spent alone with her as a child? <br />
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DOC: I would pick her up after school (3 or 4 oclock) and we would go to treat one or two horse patients with acupuncture. I would then drop her off back at home (Hyde Park) in time for dinner and drive back to Idaho; total time approximately two hours. Those appointments is where she picked up on the idea of sensing energy fields and participated as a psychic reader in my healing protocol. I have taught many clients to do these readings for me when I did not have a paid asistent [sic] with me. Anyone can do them with a little coaching and encouragement. Teal could do them naturally but needed guidence [sic] to prevent her from embelishing [sic] on the meanings of those feelings. She obviously enjoyed showing off her abilities for the clients. <br />
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CAMERON: In order to program her to the extent she claims to have been programmed, it seems you would have to have spent an extended amount of time alone with her. <br />
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DOC: The time I spent alone with her was in my practice truck/trailor on the way to and from my appointments.<br />
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CAMERON: Did Teal's parents hand her off to you often as a young child? OR did you only just have an occasional visit with the family? <br />
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DOC: I moved to Idaho when Teal was fairly young and we basically lost contact for a time. We got back together when Gordon called and asked me to help them with Teal's horse obsession. (Find a horse and teach her to ride). Yes we got together on occasion for a visit or dinner.<br />
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<span style="color: #0c343d; text-indent: 20.6pt;"><b>**What follows are "Doc's" closing statements regarding Teal's accusations. He had some rather damning words to say about the people and established businesses that support Teal's narrative. **</b></span> </h3>
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<span style="color: #073763;">This particular situation is a specific example of a much larger problem; that is the inability of some individuals in society to think rationally (logically). These people are believers who are not swayed by the facts. Consequently presenting them with the facts is not an effective way to influence them, after all, we are dealing with people who believe that Teal has supernatural contacts and abilities. </span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">It is exactly the same problem I have all the time dealing with many in the established alternative medicinal community. Experienced practitioners believe in what they are doing and do not want to look at any of the facts which seem to question their thinking. They do not refute what those facts indicate; they simply refuse to consider them. </span><span style="color: #073763;">For example, they will not discuss the issue with me, read my books, or attend my classes.</span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;"> Rational thinking is deducting conclusions from substantiated facts. The facts are ultimately proven when they are supported by objective evidence (evidence truth). A rational person does not accept facts that are not supported by evidence. It is the foundation of jurisprudence. </span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">Logically it is impossible to disprove a stated immaterial fact. All you can say is that there is no evidence it is true. The bottom line is that there is no evidence anything Teal says is true in objective reality. However, many of her "facts" are objectively not true: never made the Olympic team, did not have modeling jobs, was not in playboy, and did not live in eastern Idaho and etc. </span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">The very idea that you and I must spend time and effort "disproving" fantasies is illogical and ridiculous. It would be an unending task to keep up with the narrative over time, because she continually invents new details to plug the holes in her original story. </span><span style="color: #073763;"><br />
</span><span style="color: #073763;">One fact that has been documented is that Teal graduated early from high school. How can we fit this fact into the narrative of abuse/abduction/torture during that same time frame? Maybe this proves she is superhuman? </span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">A question came up about why she turned on me. I think that may be because much of her stuff came from mundane old me rather than some exotic aliens. </span><span style="color: #073763;">1. She read my first book... I suspect some plagiarism but have not read [enough into her material about] it. </span><span style="color: #073763;">2. She learned to read energy fields and do healing treatments by accompanying and assisting me on farm calls after school. </span><span style="color: #073763;">3. "I miss your day long speeches, the theories and things we'd come up with together". [Teal's quote from page 3 of her letter to "Doc"] </span></blockquote>
[Note from Cameron: Narcissists are notorious for embarking on smear campaigns to discredit and ruin the reputations of their targets. "Doc's" non-response to Teal's letters and repeated attempts to reach out to/manipulate him over the years could have triggered her vilification of him. Teal likely perceived "Doc" ignoring her as a rejection, thereby causing her a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_rage_and_narcissistic_injury">narcissistic injury</a>. This initial narcissistic injury could have turned into what is known as narcissistic rage, which Teal has possibly been venting on "Doc" over the years.]<br />
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<span style="color: #073763;">Why have her parents not stepped up to correct the lies is another question[?] If Teal's stories were true, the Bosworth's would be contenders for the worst parents in the world. There must be some element of guilt involved. Bobbie originally ask me to help them figure out how to deal with Teal's unacceptable behavior. I told them, after working with Teal for awhile, that she was effectively manipulating them to avoid doing mundane things like household chores or getting a job. </span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">I agreed with Gordon, her father, that she needed to get a paying job and that Bobby, her mother, needed to impose some house rules and strictly enforce them. BIG MISTAKE: Bobby was incensed that I was siding with Gordon and apparently putting the blame on her, this marked the end of a long relationship (years) and we have not talked since. </span> </blockquote>
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<span style="color: #073763;">It is alarming that supposedly responsible people propagate this junk without vetting the details. The news caster in Idaho, Hay House book publisher, and the movie and video producers need to be confronted about this. This could ultimately be the most effective way of dealing with this issue, because established businesses should be interested in protecting their reputations and also: they may be liable for publishing lies.</span></blockquote>
<b>NOTE</b>-- <i>Given my work schedule, I find that I don't have time to field comments. If you wish to comment, this blog post can also be found crossposted <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2015/11/the-mormon-satanist-speaks.html">here</a>.</i>
Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03507442518292568083noreply@blogger.com48tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-945235709424657370.post-68827910626850888932015-10-25T16:39:00.000-07:002016-07-04T11:36:56.128-07:00Corrections to Ethics and the Modern Guru Magazine, Issue 2<br />
[**NOTE: <b>COPYRIGHT</b> is retained by each individual writer/speaker. It has been claimed that this post violates the copyright of the magazine in which it was originally published. However, the editor-in-chief explicitly agreed that the contributors to the magazine would retain copyright to their work, in case they wanted to republish their work. She also promised to put a copyright notice, to this effect, in the magazine itself, but failed to do so. I <i>never</i> granted exclusive copyright to my work to the magazine—and to my knowledge, neither did any of the other writers/speakers in these interviews. Debra Van Neste's statements are included under fair use, for the purpose of criticism.]
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[UPDATE: This post is simply to provide a clear public record of what was submitted vs. what was printed in the magazine. For a complete, detailed version of the interview with Teal's alleged abuser, I recommend you see <a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-complete-interview-of-teal-swans.html">this post</a>.]
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The following interviews were featured in the latest issue of <i>Ethics And The Modern Guru</i>. I contributed to the magazine, because I believed it to stand for a morally sound cause. While I was a contributor to the magazine for a time, I did not have editorial input or control of the final product that was released in October 2015. While the information I provided was sound, accurate, properly attributed, and properly transcribed when submitted, I was disappointed to see that my and others’ contributions were then shoddily edited and misstated for final print in the magazine. I don’t feel that it’s right to be charging money for information that should be available far and wide to anyone who feels inclined to read it. I also don’t think the final product is worth the price of admission, when the errors are so egregious and innumerable. Amazingly, the vast majority of the edits of these interviews seem to have <i>introduced</i> grammatical, stylistic, and content errors, rather than correcting them. This conclusion is not just a matter of opinion; it is based on the publishing-industry-recognized authority on grammar and editorial style: <a href="http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/home.html"><i>The Chicago Manual of Style</i></a> (or Google for free resources on grammar and style). The errors and problems in these interviews include (but are not limited to) the following:<br />
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<li>failed to indicate in the magazine’s copyright notice that contributors to the magazine retain copyright to their own work, as promised by the editor-in-chief</li>
<li>incorrectly switched the names of two of the interviewers in the Blake Dyer interview, in every single instance (i.e., put “John” in place of “Sara,” and “Sara” in place of “John”) (note: the submitted version said “interviewer #1” and “interviewer #2”; these placeholders have been replaced by the appropriate names, below, for clarity and ease of reading)</li>
<li>added an entire paragraph (i.e., the second paragraph) to the first interview, without my knowledge or permission</li>
<li>incorrectly changed and removed quotes, without using brackets or ellipses to indicate that changes were made (i.e., misquoted speakers and writers—including, but not limited to, “Doc” and Teal) </li>
<li>incorrectly changed the meaning of text in quotes (e.g., changed “boyfriends” to “boyfriend”)</li>
<li>incorrectly removed the Latin “[<i>sic</i>],” which indicates that an error was present in the original writing, not the quote thereof</li>
<li>incorrectly removed ellipses that indicate text that was omitted from quotes (thereby creating misleading quotes)</li>
<li>incorrectly replaced dashes that indicate long pauses in speech—or speakers being cut off—with ellipses, creating the false impression that text was removed from quotes, when it wasn’t</li>
<li>incorrectly removed commas that indicate short pauses in speech</li>
<li>incorrectly moved commas and periods from inside quotes (e.g., “Doc,”) to outside quotes (e.g., “Doc”,)</li>
<li>incorrectly removed hyphens that indicate hyphenated compound words (e.g., changed “hands-on” to “hands on”)</li>
<li>incorrectly uncapitalized words in the title of the first interview</li>
<li>incorrectly indented (rather than centering) the title</li>
<li>incorrectly changed the formatting of numbered lists to put hyphens around the numbers (e.g., replaced “1. 2. 3.” with “-1- -2- -3-”)</li>
<li>incorrectly added run-on sentences (e.g., "We called Teal's parents, when we told her mother we wanted to interview her or her husband about Teal, she hung up the phone.")</li>
<li>incorrectly failed to use indented block quotes for long quotes</li>
<li>incorrectly failed to put quotation marks at the beginning and/or end of some quotes</li>
<li>incorrectly replaced a word in a phrase used by Teal (i.e., “Mormon stake house”) with an unrelated homonym (“steak”) multiple times</li>
<li>incorrectly replaced double quotation marks with single quotation marks (i.e., replaced “seizures” with ‘seizures’)</li>
<li>incorrectly changed phrases/words (e.g., “awhile” to “a while”; “mind control” to “mind control”)</li>
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For this and other reasons, I feel a side-by-side comparison is useful, to let a clear public record stand. I’m thrilled that this information is being made available to people through multiple outlets, and I think the content is sound, overall. However, I don’t wish to see the credibility of the work being done to expose Teal Swan compromised by sloppy mistakes. I also don’t think it’s fair to misquote, misstate, or misprint information provided by any of the parties involved—including, but not limited to, “Doc” and Teal.<br />
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What follows is a side-by-side comparison of the interviews of Teal’s alleged abuser (“Doc”) and Teal’s ex-boyfriend and COO (Blake Dyer). On the left are the versions that were submitted to the editors. On the right are the versions that were printed in the magazine. Changed and omitted text is highlighted.<br />
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NOTE: Some of the emails that were exchanged with “Doc” and Blake were omitted from the magazine. I will be posting and/or paraphrasing the content of those exchanges in another blog post soon.<br />
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<tr><td class="has_difference">5</td><td>Teal Swan has made some remarkable claims about being a victim of satanic, bizarre, sexual and physical, years-long, childhood abuse. In this article<span class="difference">,</span> we share the first known interview <span class="difference">of</span> Teal's alleged abuser<span class="difference">,</span> "Doc,<span class="difference">"</span> concerning the alleged abuse. Included towards the end of this article is a handwritten letter Teal <span class="difference">allegedly </span>sent Doc in 2004.<span class="difference"> Here are some of Teal's claims, regarding the alleged abuse (followed by the interview itself):</span></td><td class="has_difference">5</td><td>Teal Swan has made some remarkable claims about being a victim of satanic, bizarre, sexual and physical, years-long, childhood abuse. In this article we share the first known interview <span class="difference">with</span> Teal's alleged abuser<span class="difference">:</span> "Doc<span class="difference">"</span>, concerning the alleged abuse. Included towards the end of this article is a handwritten letter Teal sent Doc in 2004.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">7</td><td><span class="difference">A lot of Teal's strength as a spiritual teacher rests on her story, part of this story involves that she was ritually abused by a Satanic Mormon. Satanic abuse is one of the most common forms of False Memory Syndrome, yet still we feel a look at both sides is in order, hence we ask the question: was Teal Swan abused? Some people from the Teal Army have come forward and say it is monstrous any one would doubt Teal's claims and that we contacted her alleged abuser, yet if we want truth, then we must always be willing to dare look at facts and investigate accordingly. But now, to begin with, let us first of all presents part of Teal's story as found on her website. (http://tealswan.com/biography; this bio is reprinted virtually word-for-word in chapters two and three of Teal's second book: Shadows before Dawn.) </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>7</td><td></td><td>8</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">8</td><td><span class="difference">[start of block quote]</span>In 1989, I was invited to visit the home of a girl who attended the same kindergarten class as I did. Her father was a member of a satanic coven in the area. It was there that I caught the attention of "Doc". I have had to change his name for the purpose of this bio for legal reasons. Doc was in his fifties or sixties at the time. As it turns out, my parents knew him casually already. But unbeknownst to my parents, he was a member of the Blood Covenant, but he had infiltrated a local <span class="difference">S</span>atanic coven. Doc was a sociopath with multiple personalities. The<span class="difference"> only</span> personality that most members of the community saw (including my parents) was a super intelligent, charismatic and successful "do gooder" type of personality. Because of his multiple personalities however, Doc lived a double life. On one hand, he was a likeable, intelligent, local health expert <span class="difference">[sic] </span>was obsessed with the study of the human mind; on the other hand, he was a sadistic,<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> psychopath who attended cult rituals in his spare time. I do not know if he and my parents had crossed paths again before this point, but having developed an obsession with the idea of possessing me, he followed me in his truck when I was riding my pink huffy bike alone one day, pulled me off the bike and raped me for the first time inside a local Mormon stak<span class="difference">e</span> house<span class="difference">…</span>.</td><td class="has_difference">9</td><td><span class="difference">"</span>In 1989, I was invited to visit the home of a girl who attended the same kindergarten class as I did. Her father was a member of a satanic coven in the area. It was there that I caught the attention of "Doc". I have had to change his name for the purpose of this bio for legal reasons. Doc was in his fifties or sixties at the time. As it turns out, my parents knew him casually already. But unbeknownst to my parents, he was a member of the Blood Covenant, but he had infiltrated a local <span class="difference">s</span>atanic coven. Doc was a sociopath with multiple personalities. The personality that most members of the community saw (including my parents) was a super intelligent, charismatic and successful "do gooder" type of personality. Because of his multiple personalities however, Doc lived a double life. On one hand, he was a likeable, intelligent, local health expert was obsessed with the study of the human mind; on the other hand, he was a sadistic, psychopath who attended cult rituals in his spare time. I do not know if he and my parents had crossed paths again before this point, but having developed an obsession with the idea of possessing me, he followed me in his truck when I was riding my pink huffy bike alone one day, pulled me off the bike and raped me for the first time inside a local Mormon st<span class="difference">e</span>ak house.<span class="difference">"</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>9</td><td></td><td>10</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">10</td><td><span class="difference">[block quote continued]</span>To spare you the graphic details, from age six to nineteen I was tortured physically and sexually in cult rituals. I was raped, deprived of food and forced to undergo three abortions (all fathered and aborted by Doc himself). I was photographed for sadomasochistic pornography, sold to men for sex out of outdoor gas station bathrooms, kept in basements and in a hole in the ground in Doc's back yard<span class="difference"> [sic]</span>. I was exposed to electro-shock programming, forced to undergo isolation torture and left overnight tied up in lava caves in southern Idaho. I was drugged chronically by Doc with anesthetics (all of which he had unlimited access to due to being a vet by trade). I was chased through the Idaho and Utah wilderness by Doc "playing" tracking games in which he would hunt me, and I would undergo consequences (like having my rib cage cut or being raped) if I was caught. And I was used as a lure to other children that ended up being hurt and on occasion killed.<span class="difference"> (http://tealswan.com/biography; this bio is reprinted virtually word-for-word in chapters two and three of Teal's second book, Shadows Before Dawn.)[end of block quote]</span></td><td class="has_difference">11</td><td><span class="difference">"</span>To spare you the graphic details, from age six to nineteen I was tortured physically and sexually in cult rituals. I was raped, deprived of food and forced to undergo three abortions (all fathered and aborted by Doc himself). I was photographed for sadomasochistic pornography, sold to men for sex out of outdoor gas station bathrooms, kept in basements and in a hole in the ground in Doc's back yard. I was exposed to electro-shock programming, forced to undergo isolation torture and left overnight tied up in lava caves in southern Idaho. I was drugged chronically by Doc with anesthetics (all of which he had unlimited access to due to being a vet by trade). I was chased through the Idaho and Utah wilderness by Doc "playing" tracking games in which he would hunt me, and I would undergo consequences (like having my rib cage cut or being raped) if I was caught. And I was used as a lure to other children that ended up being hurt and on occasion killed.<span class="difference">"</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>11</td><td></td><td>12</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">13</td><td><span class="difference">Finding "Doc" </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>12</td><td></td><td>14</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">13</td><td>Teal has not released "Doc's" real name publicly, but in 2013, she revealed his real name to one of us (Cameron Clark)<span class="difference">,</span> alongside her ex-boyfriends Jared "Fallon" Dobson and Blake Dyer, her ex-husband Mark Scott, follower Graciela Hernandez, and follower Flavia Paiva. She apparently told the police his name, as well, as implied by The Herald Journal:</td><td class="has_difference">15</td><td>Teal has not released "Doc's" real name publicly, but in 2013, she revealed his real name to one of us (Cameron Clark) alongside her ex-boyfriends Jared "Fallon" Dobson and Blake Dyer, her ex-husband Mark Scott, follower Graciela Hernandez, and follower Flavia Paiva. She apparently told the police his name, as well, as implied by The Herald Journal:<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>14</td><td></td><td>16</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">15</td><td><span class="difference">[start of block quote]</span>[W]hen [Teal] took her case to the North Park Police Department and Cache County Attorney's Office in 2005, there apparently wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Deputy County Attorney Barbara Lachmar acknowledged the existence of Scott's [Scott is one of Teal's former surnames, the other being Bosworth] complaint when I phoned her office this week, but she would not speak about it other than to say <span class="difference">"</span>no charges to date have been filed." (http://news.hjnews.com/opinion/editor-s-corner-claims-of-local-torture-cult-got-this/article_401a99ca-581b-11e0-baa4-001cc4c002e0.html)<span class="difference">[end of block quote]</span></td><td class="has_difference">17</td><td><span class="difference">"</span>[W]hen [Teal] took her case to the North Park Police Department and Cache County Attorney's Office in 2005, there apparently wasn't enough evidence to prosecute. Deputy County Attorney Barbara Lachmar acknowledged the existence of Scott's [Scott is one of Teal's former surnames, the other being Bosworth] complaint when I phoned her office this week, but she would not speak about it other than to say no charges to date have been filed." (http://news.hjnews.com/opinion/editor-s-corner-claims-of-local-torture-cult-got-this/article_401a99ca-581b-11e0-baa4-001cc4c002e0.html)</td></tr>
<tr><td>16</td><td></td><td>18</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>17</td><td>Furthermore, on June 27, 2015, Cameron received an email from a cameraman for KIVI 6 and FOX 9 in Nampa, Idaho:</td><td>19</td><td>Furthermore, on June 27, 2015, Cameron received an email from a cameraman for KIVI 6 and FOX 9 in Nampa, Idaho:</td></tr>
<tr><td>18</td><td></td><td>20</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">19</td><td><span class="difference">[start of block quote]</span>Teal's Husband [<span class="difference">sic; </span>Sarbdeep Singh Swan] did give us the name of the alleged abuser. However, without another victim coming forward AND former charges against him<span class="difference">... W</span>e will not be releasing his name. His initials are [redacted]. Is this correct? <span class="difference">[</span>T<span class="difference">]</span>he only way we would use Teal's alleged abusers name<span class="difference">...</span> would be if formal charges were pressed against him.<span class="difference">[end of block quote]</span></td><td class="has_difference">21</td><td><span class="difference">"</span>Teal's Husband [Sarbdeep Singh Swan] did give us the name of the alleged abuser. However, without another victim coming forward AND former charges against him<span class="difference">, w</span>e will not be releasing his name. His initials are [redacted]. Is this correct? The only way we would use Teal's alleged abuser<span class="difference">'</span>s name<span class="difference">,</span> would be if formal charges were pressed against him<span class="difference">"</span>.<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>20</td><td></td><td>22</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>21</td><td>The initials the cameraman sent Cameron match the initials of the name Teal told Cameron.</td><td>23</td><td>The initials the cameraman sent Cameron match the initials of the name Teal told Cameron.</td></tr>
<tr><td>22</td><td></td><td>24</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>23</td><td>This comes on the heels of an interview this news agency did of Teal in 2014, accessible at:</td><td>25</td><td>This comes on the heels of an interview this news agency did of Teal in 2014, accessible at:</td></tr>
<tr><td>24</td><td></td><td>26</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>25</td><td>Part 1: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-ONE-281032042.html</td><td>27</td><td>Part 1: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-ONE-281032042.html</td></tr>
<tr><td>26</td><td></td><td>28</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>27</td><td>Part 2: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-TWO-281032142.html</td><td>29</td><td>Part 2: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-TWO-281032142.html</td></tr>
<tr><td>28</td><td></td><td>30</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>29</td><td>Part 3: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-ONE-281032232.html</td><td>31</td><td>Part 3: http://www.scrippsmedia.com/kivitv/news/Teal-Swans-story-of-Satanic-Ritual-abuse-PART-ONE-281032232.html</td></tr>
<tr><td>30</td><td></td><td>32</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">33</td><td><span class="difference">Contacting "Doc" </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>31</td><td></td><td>34</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">32</td><td>With his name in hand, the authors of this article were able to contact "Doc<span class="difference">.</span>"<span class="difference"> W</span>hat follows are excerpts from our telephone conversation, followed by more conversation via email<span class="difference">: </span></td><td class="has_difference">35</td><td>With his name in hand, the authors of this article were able to contact "Doc"<span class="difference">; w</span>hat follows are excerpts from our telephone conversation, followed by more conversation via email<span class="difference">.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>33</td><td></td><td>36</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">34</td><td>Phone Conversation between <span class="difference">Cameron Clark, </span>John Anderson, and "Doc<span class="difference">,</span>" on June 28, 2015:</td><td class="has_difference">37</td><td>Phone Conversation between John Anderson, <span class="difference">Cameron Clark </span>and "Doc" on June 28, 2015:</td></tr>
<tr><td>35</td><td></td><td>38</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>36</td><td>DOC: Hello.</td><td>39</td><td>DOC: Hello.</td></tr>
<tr><td>37</td><td></td><td>40</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>38</td><td>CAMERON: Hi. Is this [Doc]?</td><td>41</td><td>CAMERON: Hi. Is this [Doc]?</td></tr>
<tr><td>39</td><td></td><td>42</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>40</td><td>DOC: Yeah.</td><td>43</td><td>DOC: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>41</td><td></td><td>44</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>42</td><td>CAMERON: Hi [Doc]. I'm Cameron. We were just corresponding via email. I'm sorry for the late call. Is it a good time to talk?</td><td>45</td><td>CAMERON: Hi [Doc]. I'm Cameron. We were just corresponding via email. I'm sorry for the late call. Is it a good time to talk?</td></tr>
<tr><td>43</td><td></td><td>46</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>44</td><td>DOC: I guess. Yeah.</td><td>47</td><td>DOC: I guess. Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>45</td><td></td><td>48</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>46</td><td>CAMERON: Alright. Sorry for the call. I know it's kind of random, but it's kind of a sensitive topic, so we kind of wanted to talk to you in person, or at least on the phone. I have a fellow writer from the magazine with me. Is that okay?</td><td>49</td><td>CAMERON: Alright. Sorry for the call. I know it's kind of random, but it's kind of a sensitive topic, so we kind of wanted to talk to you in person, or at least on the phone. I have a fellow writer from the magazine with me. Is that okay?</td></tr>
<tr><td>47</td><td></td><td>50</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>48</td><td>DOC: I have a little hard time hearing on the phone.</td><td>51</td><td>DOC: I have a little hard time hearing on the phone.</td></tr>
<tr><td>49</td><td></td><td>52</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>50</td><td>CAMERON: Ok.</td><td>53</td><td>CAMERON: Ok.</td></tr>
<tr><td>51</td><td></td><td>54</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>52</td><td>DOC: If you can talk slow.</td><td>55</td><td>DOC: If you can talk slow.</td></tr>
<tr><td>53</td><td></td><td>56</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>54</td><td>CAMERON: Sure. I have a fellow writer for the magazine with me on the call. Would it be ok if we chatted with you for a little bit?</td><td>57</td><td>CAMERON: Sure. I have a fellow writer for the magazine with me on the call. Would it be ok if we chatted with you for a little bit?</td></tr>
<tr><td>55</td><td></td><td>58</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>56</td><td>DOC: Ok.</td><td>59</td><td>DOC: Ok.</td></tr>
<tr><td>57</td><td></td><td>60</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>58</td><td>CAMERON: Are you there?</td><td>61</td><td>CAMERON: Are you there?</td></tr>
<tr><td>59</td><td></td><td>62</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">60</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN: Yes, I'm here. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>61</td><td></td><td>63</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>62</td><td>CAMERON: Ok. John, do you want to start off?</td><td>64</td><td>CAMERON: Ok. John, do you want to start off?</td></tr>
<tr><td>63</td><td></td><td>65</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>64</td><td>JOHN: Sure, so, this is a difficult issue to discuss. Are you familiar with a woman named Teal Scott or Teal Bosworth or Teal Swan? Does that name ring a bell?</td><td>66</td><td>JOHN: Sure, so, this is a difficult issue to discuss. Are you familiar with a woman named Teal Scott or Teal Bosworth or Teal Swan? Does that name ring a bell?</td></tr>
<tr><td>65</td><td></td><td>67</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>66</td><td>DOC: Yeah.</td><td>68</td><td>DOC: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>67</td><td></td><td>69</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>68</td><td>JOHN: You do know her?</td><td>70</td><td>JOHN: You do know her?</td></tr>
<tr><td>69</td><td></td><td>71</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>70</td><td>DOC: Yup. Uh-huh.</td><td>72</td><td>DOC: Yup. Uh-huh.</td></tr>
<tr><td>71</td><td></td><td>73</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>72</td><td>JOHN: And are you aware that she's made accusations against you?</td><td>74</td><td>JOHN: And are you aware that she's made accusations against you?</td></tr>
<tr><td>73</td><td></td><td>75</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>74</td><td>DOC: I had heard something like that, yeah.</td><td>76</td><td>DOC: I had heard something like that, yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>75</td><td></td><td>77</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>76</td><td>JOHN: So we wanted to give you a chance to clear your name, because we're very skeptical of the stories that she's been telling, and apparently she's been telling a number of people, and she's been influencing people, and we want to give you a chance to say your side of the story, and hopefully if her accusations are false, to give you a chance to clear your name.</td><td>78</td><td>JOHN: So we wanted to give you a chance to clear your name, because we're very skeptical of the stories that she's been telling, and apparently she's been telling a number of people, and she's been influencing people, and we want to give you a chance to say your side of the story, and hopefully if her accusations are false, to give you a chance to clear your name.</td></tr>
<tr><td>77</td><td></td><td>79</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>78</td><td>CAMERON: And I'm just basically concerned for you, to be honest, because I actually know her very personally, as well, and I believe it's very possible that you could be in danger. And I just wanted you to be able to know that, so that's partially why I wanted to be able to talk to you.</td><td>80</td><td>CAMERON: And I'm just basically concerned for you, to be honest, because I actually know her very personally, as well, and I believe it's very possible that you could be in danger. And I just wanted you to be able to know that, so that's partially why I wanted to be able to talk to you.</td></tr>
<tr><td>79</td><td></td><td>81</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>80</td><td>DOC: What particularly is she saying? I don't know exactly what her particular claims are.</td><td>82</td><td>DOC: What particularly is she saying? I don't know exactly what her particular claims are.</td></tr>
<tr><td>81</td><td></td><td>83</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>82</td><td>CAMERON: Well, to start off, she's claiming that she was ritually abused and tortured for 13 years by—</td><td>84</td><td>CAMERON: Well, to start off, she's claiming that she was ritually abused and tortured for 13 years by—</td></tr>
<tr><td>83</td><td></td><td>85</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>84</td><td>DOC: Yeah, I've heard all that.</td><td>86</td><td>DOC: Yeah, I've heard all that.</td></tr>
<tr><td>85</td><td></td><td>87</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">86</td><td>CAMERON: She's telling people your name and information, for one, which is kind of concerning. I mean, these accusations can't really be backed up. And, for two, her soon-to-be-ex-husband now has actually released your name to the media, a media outlet where she did a news interview. And this news outlet actually contacted me, asking about your info, as well, which kind of spurred me to go forward with letting you know what's going on. I witnessed her working one guy up to the point where he wanted to hunt you down and kill you, and I watched her do this in her kitchen. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what's going on, as far as her accusations are concerned. Is she <span class="difference">ju</span>s<span class="difference">t real</span>ly mentally ill<span class="difference">, and crazy</span>?</td><td class="has_difference">88</td><td>CAMERON: She's telling people your name and information, for one, which is kind of concerning. I mean, these accusations can't really be backed up. And, for two, her soon-to-be-ex-husband now has actually released your name to the media, a media outlet where she did a news interview. And this news outlet actually contacted me, asking about your info, as well, which kind of spurred me to go forward with letting you know what's going on. I witnessed her working one guy up to the point where he wanted to hunt you down and kill you, and I watched her do this in her kitchen. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what's going on, as far as her accusations are concerned. Is she <span class="difference">po</span>s<span class="difference">sib</span>ly mentally ill?</td></tr>
<tr><td>87</td><td></td><td>89</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>88</td><td>DOC: She is.</td><td>90</td><td>DOC: She is.</td></tr>
<tr><td>89</td><td></td><td>91</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">90</td><td>JOHN: <span class="difference">Yeah, that's clear. </span>She's <span class="difference">cle</span>arly<span class="difference"> psychotic, and I'm not the first person to say this, so it's very concerning, the things she's saying. And she's allegedly</span> encouraged students of hers to kill themselves<span class="difference">,</span> and has been successful in at least one case, so we're very concerned about the influence that she's having. And as Cameron was saying, we're also concerned for your safety, if she's inciting people to potentially hunt you down.</td><td class="has_difference">92</td><td>JOHN: She's <span class="difference">app</span>ar<span class="difference">ent</span>ly encouraged students of hers to kill themselves and has been successful in at least one case, so we're very concerned about the influence that she's having. And as Cameron was saying, we're also concerned for your safety, if she's inciting people to potentially hunt you down.</td></tr>
<tr><td>91</td><td></td><td>93</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>92</td><td>DOC: What particular accusations is she making about me?</td><td>94</td><td>DOC: What particular accusations is she making about me?</td></tr>
<tr><td>93</td><td></td><td>95</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>94</td><td>CAMERON: She's claiming that you dragged her to satanic rituals, and also a Mormon cult offshoot. She is claiming that you were trying to rid the world of evil, because she had special abilities, and that she is some sort of a Eucharist. She also claimed that you had mentored her, and that you stole a lot of money from her, due to forcing her into prostitution.</td><td>96</td><td>CAMERON: She's claiming that you dragged her to satanic rituals, and also a Mormon cult offshoot. She is claiming that you were trying to rid the world of evil, because she had special abilities, and that she is some sort of a Eucharist. She also claimed that you had mentored her, and that you stole a lot of money from her, due to forcing her into prostitution.</td></tr>
<tr><td>95</td><td></td><td>97</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>96</td><td>DOC: I stole a lot of money from her?</td><td>98</td><td>DOC: I stole a lot of money from her?</td></tr>
<tr><td>97</td><td></td><td>99</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>98</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, from forcing her into prostitution, and as an underage model.</td><td>100</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, from forcing her into prostitution, and as an underage model.</td></tr>
<tr><td>99</td><td></td><td>101</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>100</td><td>DOC: [laughs]</td><td>102</td><td>DOC: [laughs]</td></tr>
<tr><td>101</td><td></td><td>103</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>102</td><td>CAMERON: She told me that you had taken almost $100,000 in money that she made from these modeling shoots that you set up for her when she was underage.</td><td>104</td><td>CAMERON: She told me that you had taken almost $100,000 in money that she made from these modeling shoots that you set up for her when she was underage.</td></tr>
<tr><td>103</td><td></td><td>105</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">104</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN: Injecting her with ketamine, right? </span></td><td class="has_difference">106</td><td><span class="difference">(Doc finds out about further accusations.) </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>105</td><td></td><td>107</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>106</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, so your friend, who worked at a morgue, had access to dead bodies.</td><td>108</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, so your friend, who worked at a morgue, had access to dead bodies.</td></tr>
<tr><td>107</td><td></td><td>109</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>108</td><td>DOC: A morgue? You say, a morgue?</td><td>110</td><td>DOC: A morgue? You say, a morgue?</td></tr>
<tr><td>109</td><td></td><td>111</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">110</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, something like an undertaker at a morgue, and therefore he had access to dead bodies. She said that you had sew<span class="difference">ed</span> her into a corpse for hours as a child, and lord knows that's completely outrageous, because a newborn baby can hardly fit inside a corpse.</td><td class="has_difference">112</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, something like an undertaker at a morgue, and therefore he had access to dead bodies. She said that you had sew<span class="difference">n</span> her into a corpse for hours as a child, and lord knows that's completely outrageous, because a newborn baby can hardly fit inside a corpse.</td></tr>
<tr><td>111</td><td></td><td>113</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>112</td><td>DOC: [laughs]</td><td>114</td><td>DOC: [laughs]</td></tr>
<tr><td>113</td><td></td><td>115</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">114</td><td>CAMERON: So I don't understand how she thinks that anyone believes these stories, but this is the kind of stuff that's coming out of her mouth. She claimed that she escaped from you, and has since recovered from the Nazi-Germany-style mind<span class="difference"> </span>control programming you applied on her.</td><td class="has_difference">116</td><td>CAMERON: So I don't understand how she thinks that anyone believes these stories, but this is the kind of stuff that's coming out of her mouth. She claimed that she escaped from you, and has since recovered from the Nazi-Germany-style mindcontrol programming you applied on her.</td></tr>
<tr><td>115</td><td></td><td>117</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>116</td><td>DOC: Her parents asked me to try to straighten her out a little bit, when they were having so much trouble, and I started taking her around on my rounds. I'm a veterinarian. We were treating animals. And this is where she got started with the hands-on healing stuff. She actually learned that from me.</td><td>118</td><td>DOC: Her parents asked me to try to straighten her out a little bit, when they were having so much trouble, and I started taking her around on my rounds. I'm a veterinarian. We were treating animals. And this is where she got started with the hands-on healing stuff. She actually learned that from me.</td></tr>
<tr><td>117</td><td></td><td>119</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>118</td><td>CAMERON: Ok.</td><td>120</td><td>CAMERON: Ok.</td></tr>
<tr><td>119</td><td></td><td>121</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">120</td><td>DOC: And she kind of embellished that. My relationship with her was from her parents. They asked me to help them out. She got obsessed with horses for awhile, and they didn't know anything about horses, so I managed to find an old horse for her, and we set her up with the horse, and did some rides and so forth up in the hills.</td><td class="has_difference">122</td><td>DOC: And she kind of embellished that. My relationship with her was from her parents. They asked me to help them out. She got obsessed with horses for a<span class="difference"> </span>while, and they didn't know anything about horses, so I managed to find an old horse for her, and we set her up with the horse, and did some rides and so forth up in the hills.</td></tr>
<tr><td>121</td><td></td><td>123</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>122</td><td>JOHN: She has said that she went to see a psychotherapist, in I think like Salt Lake City, who has a reputation for basically implanting false memories into her patients' heads, so maybe that's part of what's going on, here, but I wonder: does Teal have reason to be angry at you? Did you have a falling out with her, or something like that?</td><td>124</td><td>JOHN: She has said that she went to see a psychotherapist, in I think like Salt Lake City, who has a reputation for basically implanting false memories into her patients' heads, so maybe that's part of what's going on, here, but I wonder: does Teal have reason to be angry at you? Did you have a falling out with her, or something like that?</td></tr>
<tr><td>123</td><td></td><td>125</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>124</td><td>DOC: Not actually, but one of the problems Teal eventually had with me, was that she couldn't sucker me into all of her games, because I'd call her on the carpet for the nonsense she was doing. The problem with Teal is, the reason she is so convincing, is that she believes her fantasies.</td><td>126</td><td>DOC: Not actually, but one of the problems Teal eventually had with me, was that she couldn't sucker me into all of her games, because I'd call her on the carpet for the nonsense she was doing. The problem with Teal is, the reason she is so convincing, is that she believes her fantasies.</td></tr>
<tr><td>125</td><td></td><td>127</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>126</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, that's very apparent.</td><td>128</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, that's very apparent.</td></tr>
<tr><td>127</td><td></td><td>129</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>128</td><td>DOC: And consequently, when she tells these stories, if you're listening to her directly, it seems like she's telling the truth, because to her, it is the truth. But they're totally, completely made up. Where she comes up with the ideas, I don't know, but she's completely disconnected from reality.</td><td>130</td><td>DOC: And consequently, when she tells these stories, if you're listening to her directly, it seems like she's telling the truth, because to her, it is the truth. But they're totally, completely made up. Where she comes up with the ideas, I don't know, but she's completely disconnected from reality.</td></tr>
<tr><td>129</td><td></td><td>131</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>130</td><td>CAMERON: I would agree with you there.</td><td>132</td><td>CAMERON: I would agree with you there.</td></tr>
<tr><td>131</td><td></td><td>133</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">132</td><td>DOC: And she's not a good liar, from the standpoint of these stories, because she tells all these stories, and you can't match them up. The timeframes overlapped. You know, it's ridiculous. In her bio, for example, she says she was raised in a cabin in the wilderness. Her folks were summer rangers up at Tony Grove Lake. They stayed up there for two or three months in the summer. They're schoolteachers. She didn't live up there—only just in the summer<span class="difference">. A</span>nd she said she had these modeling jobs<span class="difference">, and</span> she never really did. She wanted to, but you can't find any ads with her pictures in it. If she was a model, where's all the proof? She also was in Playboy Magazine.</td><td class="has_difference">134</td><td>DOC: And she's not a good liar, from the standpoint of these stories, because she tells all these stories, and you can't match them up. The timeframes overlapped. You know, it's ridiculous. In her bio, for example, she says she was raised in a cabin in the wilderness. Her folks were summer rangers up at Tony Grove Lake. They stayed up there for two or three months in the summer. They're schoolteachers. She didn't live up there<span class="difference"> </span>—only just in the summer<span class="difference">— a</span>nd she said she had these modeling jobs<span class="difference"> which</span> she never really did. She wanted to, but you can't find any ads with her pictures in it. If she was a model, where's all the proof? She also was in Playboy Magazine.</td></tr>
<tr><td>133</td><td></td><td>135</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>134</td><td>JOHN: She was in Playboy, or she said she was in Playboy?</td><td>136</td><td>JOHN: She was in Playboy, or she said she was in Playboy?</td></tr>
<tr><td>135</td><td></td><td>137</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>136</td><td>DOC: Well, as far as she's concerned, she was.</td><td>138</td><td>DOC: Well, as far as she's concerned, she was.</td></tr>
<tr><td>137</td><td></td><td>139</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">138</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN and CAMERON: [laugh] </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">139</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">140</td><td>DOC: And I think some of these young men that she kept running around with were just going along with her stories, and taking nude pictures of her, and so forth, you know, telling her she was going to be in Playboy Magazine, and all that kind of stuff. And then eventually, she's telling the story of how she was in Hugh Hefner's house there, for awhile, lived there.</td><td class="has_difference">140</td><td>DOC: And I think some of these young men that she kept running around with were just going along with her stories, and taking nude pictures of her, and so forth, you know, telling her she was going to be in Playboy Magazine, and all that kind of stuff. And then eventually, she's telling the story of how she was in Hugh Hefner's house there, for a<span class="difference"> </span>while, lived there.</td></tr>
<tr><td>141</td><td></td><td>141</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>142</td><td>JOHN: Well, I searched through Playboy, and I did not find any evidence that she was ever in it.</td><td>142</td><td>JOHN: Well, I searched through Playboy, and I did not find any evidence that she was ever in it.</td></tr>
<tr><td>143</td><td></td><td>143</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>144</td><td>DOC: No, she never was. And then there's the story about her having a boyfriend in Alaska.</td><td>144</td><td>DOC: No, she never was. And then there's the story about her having a boyfriend in Alaska.</td></tr>
<tr><td>145</td><td></td><td>145</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>146</td><td>CAMERON: Trevor.</td><td>146</td><td>CAMERON: Trevor.</td></tr>
<tr><td>147</td><td></td><td>147</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">148</td><td>DOC: And something about her being addicted and that they went through a withdrawal type of thing. Her mother took her to China, and they did a little studying of Qigong and some of the Chinese arts. She graduated early from high school, and when I confronted her about the fact that she really didn't know anything, as we were doing some work in the veterinary thing—she obviously wasn't an accomplished student of any kind, and I kind of questioned her. How the hell did she graduate early, if she didn't know some of these basic things, you know, like math, and some things? And she admitted that she manipulated the teachers to get out early. She said well, you just have to tell them that you need help, and so forth. So, the bottom line is, if she opens her mouth, she's telling a lie.</td><td class="has_difference">148</td><td>DOC: And something about her being addicted and that they went through a withdrawal type of thing. Her mother took her to China, and they did a little studying of Qigong and some of the Chinese arts. She graduated early from high school, and when I confronted her about the fact that she really didn't know anything, as we were doing some work in the veterinary thing<span class="difference"> </span>—she obviously wasn't an accomplished student of any kind, and I kind of questioned her. How the hell did she graduate early, if she didn't know some of these basic things, you know, like math, and some things? And she admitted that she manipulated the teachers to get out early. She said well, you just have to tell them that you need help, and so forth. So, the bottom line is, if she opens her mouth, she's telling a lie.</td></tr>
<tr><td>149</td><td></td><td>149</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>150</td><td>JOHN: Yeah, that's pretty clear.</td><td>150</td><td>JOHN: Yeah, that's pretty clear.</td></tr>
<tr><td>151</td><td></td><td>151</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">152</td><td><span class="difference">DOC: She's the reincarnation of Cleopatra. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>153</td><td></td><td>152</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">154</td><td><span class="difference">CAMERON: Oh, I thought it was Sai Baba. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>155</td><td></td><td>153</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">156</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN: [laughs] Probably both. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>157</td><td></td><td>154</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">158</td><td><span class="difference">CAMERON: [laughs] Yeah. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>159</td><td></td><td>155</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">160</td><td>DOC: And it just goes on and on and on and on. The stories are just absurd, unending. You know, it's so unbelievable, you can't understand why she has this believability, for other people to come around and listen to her stories. They're so off the wall. I looked at the thing that the newspaper or whatever reported how she witnessed these little Hispanic kids being tortured or killed, or burned up, or something like that. This is so bizarre. How could this have been happening when she was going to school and graduating early and living in North Logan with two schoolteacher parents, and her brother? It's just totally absurd. [laughs] You can't even counter these stories, because there's nothing<span class="difference">—y</span>ou don't even start out with any foundation. She just makes them up out of complete thin air.</td><td class="has_difference">156</td><td>DOC: And it just goes on and on and on and on. The stories are just absurd, unending. You know, it's so unbelievable, you can't understand why she has this believability, for other people to come around and listen to her stories. They're so off the wall. I looked at the thing that the newspaper or whatever reported how she witnessed these little Hispanic kids being tortured or killed, or burned up, or something like that. This is so bizarre. How could this have been happening when she was going to school and graduating early and living in North Logan with two schoolteacher parents, and her brother? It's just totally absurd. [laughs] You can't even counter these stories, because there's nothing<span class="difference">. Y</span>ou don't even start out with any foundation. She just makes them up out of complete thin air.</td></tr>
<tr><td>161</td><td></td><td>157</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">162</td><td>JOHN: So it sounds like you've been keeping tabs on her. I mean, how have <span class="difference">you </span>been made aware of everything that's been going on with<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">158</td><td>JOHN: So it sounds like you've been keeping tabs on her. I mean, how<span class="difference"> you</span> have been made aware of everything that's been going on with<span class="difference">–</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>163</td><td></td><td>159</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>164</td><td>DOC: I've looked on the Internet to see what had happened to her, and I did that just recently.</td><td>160</td><td>DOC: I've looked on the Internet to see what had happened to her, and I did that just recently.</td></tr>
<tr><td>165</td><td></td><td>161</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>166</td><td>JOHN: What inspired you to do that?</td><td>162</td><td>JOHN: What inspired you to do that?</td></tr>
<tr><td>167</td><td></td><td>163</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>168</td><td>DOC: I was just wondering what happened to her.</td><td>164</td><td>DOC: I was just wondering what happened to her.</td></tr>
<tr><td>169</td><td></td><td>165</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>170</td><td>JOHN: No one's told you she's made these accusations? You've never been contacted by a reporter, or the police, or anything like that?</td><td>166</td><td>JOHN: No one's told you she's made these accusations? You've never been contacted by a reporter, or the police, or anything like that?</td></tr>
<tr><td>171</td><td></td><td>167</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>172</td><td>DOC: No.</td><td>168</td><td>DOC: No.</td></tr>
<tr><td>173</td><td></td><td>169</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>174</td><td>CAMERON: Well, I'm glad we told you, then.</td><td>170</td><td>CAMERON: Well, I'm glad we told you, then.</td></tr>
<tr><td>175</td><td></td><td>171</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>176</td><td>DOC: But she made accusations about her parents.</td><td>172</td><td>DOC: But she made accusations about her parents.</td></tr>
<tr><td>177</td><td></td><td>173</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">178</td><td>JOHN: You didn't know that all these accusations that she was making on the Internet about the satanic cult<span class="difference">—y</span>ou didn't know that she was talking about you?</td><td class="has_difference">174</td><td>JOHN: You didn't know that all these accusations that she was making on the Internet about the satanic cult<span class="difference">? Y</span>ou didn't know that she was talking about you?</td></tr>
<tr><td>179</td><td></td><td>175</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>180</td><td>DOC: No. I had no idea that it was supposed to be me.</td><td>176</td><td>DOC: No. I had no idea that it was supposed to be me.</td></tr>
<tr><td>181</td><td></td><td>177</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">182</td><td>CAMERON: She claims she lured the immigrant children herself. That she was part of it, luring them to be involved in these rituals. And she also claimed that she did so well, because she had dissociative identity disorder, where she could compartmentalize it<span class="difference">—s</span>he claims she was really high-achieving, because she had dissociative alters.</td><td class="has_difference">178</td><td>CAMERON: She claims she lured the immigrant children herself. That she was part of it, luring them to be involved in these rituals. And she also claimed that she did so well, because she had dissociative identity disorder, where she could compartmentalize it<span class="difference">. S</span>he claims she was really high-achieving, because she had dissociative alters.</td></tr>
<tr><td>183</td><td></td><td>179</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">184</td><td>JOHN: Yeah, dissociative identity disorder, in case you don't know, is what they now call multiple personality disorder. She claims she ha<span class="difference">s</span> multiple personalities.</td><td class="has_difference">180</td><td>JOHN: Yeah, dissociative identity disorder, in case you don't know, is what they now call multiple personality disorder. She claims she<span class="difference">'s</span> ha<span class="difference">d</span> multiple personalities.</td></tr>
<tr><td>185</td><td></td><td>181</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>186</td><td>DOC: Yeah, I know about that. I don't think so.</td><td>182</td><td>DOC: Yeah, I know about that. I don't think so.</td></tr>
<tr><td>187</td><td></td><td>183</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>188</td><td>JOHN: No, I don't either.</td><td>184</td><td>JOHN: No, I don't either.</td></tr>
<tr><td>189</td><td></td><td>185</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">190</td><td>DOC: This is the Teal that I became familiar with, and it's the same Teal all the time. Like I say, she's totally disconnected from reality. Whatever is going on, she makes up stories about it<span class="difference">, e</span>ven when she doesn't have to lie, she does. She makes up stories when it's not necessary.</td><td class="has_difference">186</td><td>DOC: This is the Teal that I became familiar with, and it's the same Teal all the time. Like I say, she's totally disconnected from reality. Whatever is going on, she makes up stories about it<span class="difference">. E</span>ven when she doesn't have to lie, she does. She makes up stories when it's not necessary.</td></tr>
<tr><td>191</td><td></td><td>187</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>192</td><td>JOHN: I'm wondering why she chose you in the first place. I mean, did she flirt with you? Do you think she was interested in you?</td><td>188</td><td>JOHN: I'm wondering why she chose you in the first place. I mean, did she flirt with you? Do you think she was interested in you?</td></tr>
<tr><td>193</td><td></td><td>189</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>194</td><td>DOC: She learned some of the healing stuff by going around with me.</td><td>190</td><td>DOC: She learned some of the healing stuff by going around with me.</td></tr>
<tr><td>195</td><td></td><td>191</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>196</td><td>CAMERON: Did she want a relationship with you, and get mad at you or something?</td><td>192</td><td>CAMERON: Did she want a relationship with you, and get mad at you or something?</td></tr>
<tr><td>197</td><td></td><td>193</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>198</td><td>DOC: No. We never had a falling out.</td><td>194</td><td>DOC: No. We never had a falling out.</td></tr>
<tr><td>199</td><td></td><td>195</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>200</td><td>CAMERON: Did she want a relationship, though?</td><td>196</td><td>CAMERON: Did she want a relationship, though?</td></tr>
<tr><td>201</td><td></td><td>197</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">202</td><td>DOC: No. I am way older, you know. This was a little baby when I first met her<span class="difference">.</span> [laughs] She had her boyfriend<span class="difference">s</span> bring her up to my place<span class="difference">,</span> here in Idaho, years ago<span class="difference">—</span>maybe 15<span class="difference">—now</span>, I don't know how long it was<span class="difference"> ago—</span>it was quite awhile<span class="difference">—</span>and we had a little discussion about some things, and her boyfriend was doing the same thing that her mother did, they were asking me if I could talk to her, and kind of straighten her out on some things, and he said to me that I was the only one that she couldn't manipulate, that she had a great deal of success manipulating her mother, and she used to take great joy in it. What happened is that she would create situations so that the family got to the point where they couldn't eat meals together, because she would always create a situation for them, so they were all eating independently. They'd come home from work and fix their own meals themselves, and they just couldn't eat a meal together, because she would turn it into some kind of a deal, and she would purposely try to come up with something to upset her mother.</td><td class="has_difference">198</td><td>DOC: No. I am way older, you know. This was a little baby when I first met her [laughs]<span class="difference">.</span> She had her boyfriend bring her up to my place here in Idaho, years ago<span class="difference">, </span>maybe 15, I don't know how long <span class="difference">ago </span>it was<span class="difference">, </span>it was quite awhile<span class="difference">, </span>and we had a little discussion about some things, and her boyfriend was doing the same thing that her mother did, they were asking me if I could talk to her, and kind of straighten her out on some things, and he said to me that I was the only one that she couldn't manipulate, that she had a great deal of success manipulating her mother, and she used to take great joy in it. What happened is that she would create situations so that the family got to the point where they couldn't eat meals together, because she would always create a situation for them, so they were all eating independently. They'd come home from work and fix their own meals themselves, and they just couldn't eat a meal together, because she would turn it into some kind of a deal, and she would purposely try to come up with something to upset her mother.</td></tr>
<tr><td>203</td><td></td><td>199</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>204</td><td>CAMERON: I believe that. I've seen her do that.</td><td>200</td><td>CAMERON: I believe that. I've seen her do that.</td></tr>
<tr><td>205</td><td></td><td>201</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">206</td><td>DOC: It was just like a game that she played, and then she would say something, and her mother would kind of have this reaction, and then she'd turn to me and smile<span class="difference">—</span>like<span class="difference">,</span> "look what I did."</td><td class="has_difference">202</td><td>DOC: It was just like a game that she played, and then she would say something, and her mother would kind of have this reaction, and then she'd turn to me and smile<span class="difference"> </span>like<span class="difference">:</span> "look what I did."</td></tr>
<tr><td>207</td><td></td><td>203</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>208</td><td>CAMERON: [laughs] I know exactly what that looks like.</td><td>204</td><td>CAMERON: [laughs] I know exactly what that looks like.</td></tr>
<tr><td>209</td><td></td><td>205</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">210</td><td>DOC: And her boyfriend, <span class="difference">like I say, </span>he said I was the only one that she couldn't wrap around her fingers, and I was always calling her on the carpet and saying bullshit, you know, and that's not right.</td><td class="has_difference">206</td><td>DOC: And her boyfriend, he said I was the only one that she couldn't wrap around her fingers, and I was always calling her on the carpet and saying bullshit, you know, and that's not right.</td></tr>
<tr><td>211</td><td></td><td>207</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>212</td><td>CAMERON: So you're the only person she was afraid of, then?</td><td>208</td><td>CAMERON: So you're the only person she was afraid of, then?</td></tr>
<tr><td>213</td><td></td><td>209</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>214</td><td>DOC: She wasn't afraid of me. She just couldn't manipulate me. Everybody else, she could get them to do things that she wanted them to do, and she couldn't manipulate me, so basically, I think that's why she disconnected, eventually, and didn't want to be around me, because she couldn't get anything out of me.</td><td>210</td><td>DOC: She wasn't afraid of me. She just couldn't manipulate me. Everybody else, she could get them to do things that she wanted them to do, and she couldn't manipulate me, so basically, I think that's why she disconnected, eventually, and didn't want to be around me, because she couldn't get anything out of me.</td></tr>
<tr><td>215</td><td></td><td>211</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>216</td><td>JOHN: Yeah, I'm wondering about your last interaction with her. Were you confronting her about her lying and manipulation, or drug use? I mean, was there some particular topic of that conversation that upset her?</td><td>212</td><td>JOHN: Yeah, I'm wondering about your last interaction with her. Were you confronting her about her lying and manipulation, or drug use? I mean, was there some particular topic of that conversation that upset her?</td></tr>
<tr><td>217</td><td></td><td>213</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>218</td><td>CAMERON: Did she steal drugs, like ketamine, from you?</td><td>214</td><td>CAMERON: Did she steal drugs, like ketamine, from you?</td></tr>
<tr><td>219</td><td></td><td>215</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">220</td><td>DOC: I don't know the details about, like you say, drug use, whether she took drugs, or anything like that. I wasn't around at that time in her life, with all the boyfriends, and the group housing <span class="difference">[</span>with her intentional community<span class="difference">]</span>, and all that kind of stuff. I was long gone, by that time. I only kn<span class="difference">e</span>w about that in retrospect, from what I saw on the Internet.</td><td class="has_difference">216</td><td>DOC: I don't know the details about, like you say, drug use, whether she took drugs, or anything like that. I wasn't around at that time in her life, with all the boyfriends, and the group housing with her intentional community, and all that kind of stuff. I was long gone, by that time. I only kn<span class="difference">o</span>w about that in retrospect, from what I saw on the Internet.</td></tr>
<tr><td>221</td><td></td><td>217</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>222</td><td>JOHN: I'm just trying to figure out what she was so upset with you about. What is it that you confronted her about that upset her so much?</td><td>218</td><td>JOHN: I'm just trying to figure out what she was so upset with you about. What is it that you confronted her about that upset her so much?</td></tr>
<tr><td>223</td><td></td><td>219</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>224</td><td>DOC: I have no idea. In person, we never had any falling out, or anything.</td><td>220</td><td>DOC: I have no idea. In person, we never had any falling out, or anything.</td></tr>
<tr><td>225</td><td></td><td>221</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>226</td><td>CAMERON: She corroborates that, actually. She says she escaped.</td><td>222</td><td>CAMERON: She corroborates that, actually. She says she escaped.</td></tr>
<tr><td>227</td><td></td><td>223</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>228</td><td>DOC: Escaped?</td><td>224</td><td>DOC: Escaped?</td></tr>
<tr><td>229</td><td></td><td>225</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>230</td><td>CAMERON: She claims you had her tied up in holes in your backyard, and whatnot.</td><td>226</td><td>CAMERON: She claims you had her tied up in holes in your backyard, and whatnot.</td></tr>
<tr><td>231</td><td></td><td>227</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>232</td><td>DOC: [laughs]</td><td>228</td><td>DOC: [laughs]</td></tr>
<tr><td>233</td><td></td><td>229</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>234</td><td>CAMERON: The night that she said she got away, she said it was because you made a mistake, and you didn't dose her up with an adequate amount of ketamine. You used to regularly shoot her up with ketamine, according to her. She claimed it was because you had access to it, as a veterinarian. She said that you didn't give her the right dose of ketamine, and so she noticed there were some marks on a dead body that you were forcing her to have sex with. She claims that you tried convincing her that she had been responsible for killing the man, but she noticed that the body lividity and the blood pooling on the body didn't match up with the timing of when you said she allegedly killed the man. So she claimed that her reality crashed once she realized you had been lying to her, and she got in her car high on ketamine, and drove eight hours away to Blake's house, never to come back. That was what she said.</td><td>230</td><td>CAMERON: The night that she said she got away, she said it was because you made a mistake, and you didn't dose her up with an adequate amount of ketamine. You used to regularly shoot her up with ketamine, according to her. She claimed it was because you had access to it, as a veterinarian. She said that you didn't give her the right dose of ketamine, and so she noticed there were some marks on a dead body that you were forcing her to have sex with. She claims that you tried convincing her that she had been responsible for killing the man, but she noticed that the body lividity and the blood pooling on the body didn't match up with the timing of when you said she allegedly killed the man. So she claimed that her reality crashed once she realized you had been lying to her, and she got in her car high on ketamine, and drove eight hours away to Blake's house, never to come back. That was what she said.</td></tr>
<tr><td>235</td><td></td><td>231</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>236</td><td>DOC: She got into her car?</td><td>232</td><td>DOC: She got into her car?</td></tr>
<tr><td>237</td><td></td><td>233</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>238</td><td>CAMERON: Yes, high on ketamine, and drove off, to go to live with Blake.</td><td>234</td><td>CAMERON: Yes, high on ketamine, and drove off, to go to live with Blake.</td></tr>
<tr><td>239</td><td></td><td>235</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>240</td><td>DOC: Well, number one, she never had a car. She had boyfriends who drove her around, from here to there, but Teal never owned a car.</td><td>236</td><td>DOC: Well, number one, she never had a car. She had boyfriends who drove her around, from here to there, but Teal never owned a car.</td></tr>
<tr><td>241</td><td></td><td>237</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">242</td><td>JOHN: And how did it start? Didn't she say something like when she was, I don't know, five or six, she came to a sleepover at his house, and then, with his daughter<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">238</td><td>JOHN: And how did it start? Didn't she say something like when she was, I don't know, five or six, she came to a sleepover at his house, and then, with his daughter<span class="difference">.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>243</td><td></td><td>239</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">244</td><td>CAMERON: At a friend's house, she said that you were there, and you knew the friend's father. She said that is when you first had access to her, and that you guys took child pornography pictures with her and her friend, when she was four or five years old. She said that eventually, she was riding her bike, when she was six years old, when you had seen her. You had stopped her on her bicycle, dragged her into a Mormon stak<span class="difference">e</span> house, where you raped her at six years old, and sent her along her way.</td><td class="has_difference">240</td><td>CAMERON: At a friend's house, she said that you were there, and you knew the friend's father. She said that is when you first had access to her, and that you guys took child pornography pictures with her and her friend, when she was four or five years old. She said that eventually, she was riding her bike, when she was six years old, when you had seen her. You had stopped her on her bicycle, dragged her into a Mormon st<span class="difference">e</span>ak house, where you raped her at six years old, and sent her along her way.</td></tr>
<tr><td>245</td><td></td><td>241</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>246</td><td>DOC: We were friends, her mother actually worked for me, years ago, before she got married, and before Teal was born. And so we were friends with the family for years and years, and we were around when Teal was born. We saw her growing up. I got a horse for her. We helped with managing the horse, because her parents didn't know anything about it.</td><td>242</td><td>DOC: We were friends, her mother actually worked for me, years ago, before she got married, and before Teal was born. And so we were friends with the family for years and years, and we were around when Teal was born. We saw her growing up. I got a horse for her. We helped with managing the horse, because her parents didn't know anything about it.</td></tr>
<tr><td>247</td><td></td><td>243</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>248</td><td>CAMERON: So her parents just spoiled her, and you just called her out on her crap, her whole life, from the time she was little? And you spent time with her, and you were the only one, because her parents didn't really discipline her?</td><td>244</td><td>CAMERON: So her parents just spoiled her, and you just called her out on her crap, her whole life, from the time she was little? And you spent time with her, and you were the only one, because her parents didn't really discipline her?</td></tr>
<tr><td>249</td><td></td><td>245</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>250</td><td>DOC: Well, this was in her early life, when they were working at Tony Grove Lake. We would go there sometimes, and ride horses, and Teal was just a toddler, you know, when we put her on the horse, in front of us, and rode around, and that kind of thing. And then I moved to Idaho, and we kind of lost touch for several years. And then eventually, her mother called me, and said they were having all this trouble with Teal, and could I please come and talk to her, because I seemed to be the only one that could straighten her out, in their opinion, from their experience.</td><td>246</td><td>DOC: Well, this was in her early life, when they were working at Tony Grove Lake. We would go there sometimes, and ride horses, and Teal was just a toddler, you know, when we put her on the horse, in front of us, and rode around, and that kind of thing. And then I moved to Idaho, and we kind of lost touch for several years. And then eventually, her mother called me, and said they were having all this trouble with Teal, and could I please come and talk to her, because I seemed to be the only one that could straighten her out, in their opinion, from their experience.</td></tr>
<tr><td>251</td><td></td><td>247</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">252</td><td>CAMERON: Did you have to straighten her out because she appeared to have hands<span class="difference">-</span>on healing capabilities, and did she say she could see things?</td><td class="has_difference">248</td><td>CAMERON: Did you have to straighten her out because she appeared to have hands<span class="difference"> </span>on healing capabilities, and did she say she could see things?</td></tr>
<tr><td>253</td><td></td><td>249</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>254</td><td>DOC: Their problem was that she had all sorts of problems at school, and they couldn't control her. They couldn't get her to do anything. She wouldn't do chores around the house. They couldn't discipline her. She refused to obey the rules. On and on and on. And so, I went down, and I started taking her around on calls treating animals, and showed her a little bit about healing, and had her work with me on treating some of the horses, and so forth.</td><td>250</td><td>DOC: Their problem was that she had all sorts of problems at school, and they couldn't control her. They couldn't get her to do anything. She wouldn't do chores around the house. They couldn't discipline her. She refused to obey the rules. On and on and on. And so, I went down, and I started taking her around on calls treating animals, and showed her a little bit about healing, and had her work with me on treating some of the horses, and so forth.</td></tr>
<tr><td>255</td><td></td><td>251</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>256</td><td>JOHN: How old was she, at that time?</td><td>252</td><td>JOHN: How old was she, at that time?</td></tr>
<tr><td>257</td><td></td><td>253</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">258</td><td>DOC: Oh, this would be, like, 13 or 14, or something like that, maybe. And then, eventually, when I<span class="difference">—</span>I don't know<span class="difference">—</span>I shouldn't be telling you what I told her parents, because that's kind of privileged information, and since I don't know who you are<span class="difference">.</span></td><td class="has_difference">254</td><td>DOC: Oh, this would be, like, 13 or 14, or something like that, maybe. And then, eventually, when I<span class="difference"> ... </span>I don't know<span class="difference">, </span>I shouldn't be telling you what I told her parents, because that's kind of privileged information, and since I don't know who you are<span class="difference">–</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>259</td><td></td><td>255</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>260</td><td>JOHN: Well, it couldn't be any more privileged than the things she's telling about you.</td><td>256</td><td>JOHN: Well, it couldn't be any more privileged than the things she's telling about you.</td></tr>
<tr><td>261</td><td></td><td>257</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>262</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, I actually met her parents, as well. They're very nice people.</td><td>258</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, I actually met her parents, as well. They're very nice people.</td></tr>
<tr><td>263</td><td></td><td>259</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>264</td><td>DOC: Well, I tried to tell her parents what the problem was. They didn't like it, because I basically kind of put some of the responsibility on them, and so they kind of broke off our friendship, when I finally said what I thought was the problem. And then I didn't see her for years and years. I haven't seen her for a long, long time.</td><td>260</td><td>DOC: Well, I tried to tell her parents what the problem was. They didn't like it, because I basically kind of put some of the responsibility on them, and so they kind of broke off our friendship, when I finally said what I thought was the problem. And then I didn't see her for years and years. I haven't seen her for a long, long time.</td></tr>
<tr><td>265</td><td></td><td>261</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>266</td><td>JOHN: So maybe that's why she was so upset with you, because of what you told her parents.</td><td>262</td><td>JOHN: So maybe that's why she was so upset with you, because of what you told her parents.</td></tr>
<tr><td>267</td><td></td><td>263</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">268</td><td>DOC: No, I don't think she knew I told her parents. Number one, she wasn't upset with me. She just made the whole thing up. We never had a falling out. We never had an argument. We never had any kind of negative things. The last time we were friends<span class="difference">—</span>I have a letter<span class="difference">—</span>I got letters from her where she claimed that she loved me, and that I was the only one that understood her, and that kind of stuff. So we didn't part ways with any kind of negative feeling at all. In fact, I think I still have<span class="difference">—</span>I probably could find a letter someplace<span class="difference">—</span>it's a stupid, teenager kind of thing<span class="difference">—</span>but no, she wasn't mad at me. This was all made up since years ago.</td><td class="has_difference">264</td><td>DOC: No, I don't think she knew I told her parents. Number one, she wasn't upset with me. She just made the whole thing up. We never had a falling out. We never had an argument. We never had any kind of negative things. <span class="difference">You can't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. </span>The last time we were friends<span class="difference">, </span>I have a letter<span class="difference">, </span>I got letters from her where she claimed that she loved me, and that I was the only one that understood her, and that kind of stuff. So we didn't part ways with any kind of negative feeling at all. In fact, I think I still have<span class="difference">, </span>I probably could find a letter someplace<span class="difference">, </span>it's a stupid, teenager kind of thing<span class="difference">, </span>but no, she wasn't mad at me. This was all made up since years ago.<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>269</td><td></td><td>265</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">270</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN: When's the last time you corresponded with her? </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>271</td><td></td><td>266</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">272</td><td><span class="difference">DOC: </span>And the whole thing about the Mormon<span class="difference">—W</span>hat's that?</td><td class="has_difference">267</td><td>And the whole thing about the Mormon<span class="difference">, w</span>hat's that?</td></tr>
<tr><td>273</td><td></td><td>268</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">274</td><td>JOHN: <span class="difference">Sorry, go ahead. </span>The whole thing about the Mormon?</td><td class="has_difference">269</td><td>JOHN: The whole thing about the Mormon?</td></tr>
<tr><td>275</td><td></td><td>270</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>276</td><td>DOC: I'm not a Mormon!</td><td>271</td><td>DOC: I'm not a Mormon!</td></tr>
<tr><td>277</td><td></td><td>272</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>278</td><td>CAMERON and JOHN: [laugh]</td><td>273</td><td>CAMERON and JOHN: [laugh]</td></tr>
<tr><td>279</td><td></td><td>274</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">280</td><td>JOHN: And you're not a <span class="difference">s</span>atanist, or a Nazi, just for the record?</td><td class="has_difference">275</td><td>JOHN: And you're not a <span class="difference">S</span>atanist, or a Nazi, just for the record?</td></tr>
<tr><td>281</td><td></td><td>276</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">282</td><td>DOC: Not that I am aware of. I'm not a Mormon. I don't have anything to do with the Mormon <span class="difference">c</span>hurch. I never have. All of that is a confabulation that she's just come up with. There weren't any negative things. She's made that up. She's made every frickin' thing up. You can't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.</td><td class="has_difference">277</td><td>DOC: Not that I am aware of. I'm not a Mormon. I don't have anything to do with the Mormon <span class="difference">C</span>hurch. I never have. All of that is a confabulation that she's just come up with. There weren't any negative things. She's made that up. She's made every frickin' thing up. You can't believe anything that comes out of her mouth.</td></tr>
<tr><td>283</td><td></td><td>278</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>284</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, I agree.</td><td>279</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah, I agree.</td></tr>
<tr><td>285</td><td></td><td>280</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>286</td><td>JOHN: So when was the last time you corresponded with her? How old was she, and what happened?</td><td>281</td><td>JOHN: So when was the last time you corresponded with her? How old was she, and what happened?</td></tr>
<tr><td>287</td><td></td><td>282</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">288</td><td>DOC: I have a hard time remembering when somebody was a certain age, but it was years ago, and she called me, and she was going to the bunny house, or whatever that<span class="difference">—</span>what's his name?<span class="difference">—</span>Hugh Hefner's place... And that's also when she told me that she was going to be in the next issue of Playboy. And that's the last contact I ever had with her, and that's, maybe, 10 or 15 years ago, or something like that. She had at least two boyfriends bring her up here for visits, for one reason or another, you know, short little day things: stop by, say hello, that kind of thing. She had a boyfriend that was deaf.</td><td class="has_difference">283</td><td>DOC: I have a hard time remembering when somebody was a certain age, but it was years ago, and she called me, and she was going to the bunny house, or whatever that<span class="difference">, </span>what's his name?<span class="difference"> </span>Hugh Hefner's place<span class="difference"> </span>... And that's also when she told me that she was going to be in the next issue of Playboy. And that's the last contact I ever had with her, and that's, maybe, 10 or 15 years ago, or something like that. She had at least two boyfriends bring her up here for visits, for one reason or another, you know, short little day things: stop by, say hello, that kind of thing. She had a boyfriend that was deaf.</td></tr>
<tr><td>289</td><td></td><td>284</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>290</td><td>CAMERON: She's also mentioned to me she had a deaf boyfriend, at one point.</td><td>285</td><td>CAMERON: She's also mentioned to me she had a deaf boyfriend, at one point.</td></tr>
<tr><td>291</td><td></td><td>286</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>292</td><td>DOC: He brought her up here one time, and another boyfriend brought her up here one time, and was asking me to talk to her, and in none of those cases was there any negative thing. It was all congenial, just, you know: "How are you doing?" "I'm fine." Like I say, if you try to make any sense out of any of it, you're gonna run into a lot of blind alleys, because none of it has any basis in the truth, whatsoever. I mean, not even to begin with. It doesn't start in a real situation. She sits around and just dreams stuff up.</td><td>287</td><td>DOC: He brought her up here one time, and another boyfriend brought her up here one time, and was asking me to talk to her, and in none of those cases was there any negative thing. It was all congenial, just, you know: "How are you doing?" "I'm fine." Like I say, if you try to make any sense out of any of it, you're gonna run into a lot of blind alleys, because none of it has any basis in the truth, whatsoever. I mean, not even to begin with. It doesn't start in a real situation. She sits around and just dreams stuff up.</td></tr>
<tr><td>293</td><td></td><td>288</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">294</td><td>JOHN: She<span class="difference"> </span>s<span class="difference">eems to have</span> become dangerous. She's got thousands, if not millions<span class="difference">,</span> of followers, and as I mentioned, she's <span class="difference">alleg</span>ed<span class="difference">ly encouraged</span> people to kill themselves.</td><td class="has_difference">289</td><td>JOHN: She<span class="difference">'</span>s become<span class="difference"> very</span> dangerous. She's got thousands, if not millions of followers, and as I mentioned, she's <span class="difference">convinc</span>ed people to<span class="difference"> actually literally go and</span> kill themselves.</td></tr>
<tr><td>295</td><td></td><td>290</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">296</td><td>CAMERON: Not only is she co<span class="difference">nvinc</span>ing people to kill themselves, but as I said before, she gets her men very worked up. Her boyfriends can get very worked up, when it comes to these abuse stories. One in particular threatened to hunt you down, and kill you, and I watched her eyes light up. It's like she loves it. She gets off on seeing how far they'll go for her. It's like a game, and I just think it's a very dangerous game she's playing. She's playing with fire, really, and it's not a secret who she's saying that you are. She's basically released your identity, said that you were a prominent veterinarian in the Idaho area, and identified a friend of yours as a mortician of sorts—</td><td class="has_difference">291</td><td>CAMERON: Not only is she <span class="difference">en</span>co<span class="difference">urag</span>ing people to kill themselves, but as I said before, she gets her men very worked up. Her boyfriends can get very worked up, when it comes to these abuse stories. One in particular threatened to hunt you down, and kill you, and I watched her eyes light up. It's like she loves it. She gets off on seeing how far they'll go for her. It's like a game, and I just think it's a very dangerous game she's playing. She's playing with fire, really, and it's not a secret who she's saying that you are. She's basically released your identity, said that you were a prominent veterinarian in the Idaho area, and identified a friend of yours as a mortician of sorts—</td></tr>
<tr><td>297</td><td></td><td>292</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>298</td><td>DOC: As a mortician? [laughs]</td><td>293</td><td>DOC: As a mortician? [laughs]</td></tr>
<tr><td>299</td><td></td><td>294</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>300</td><td>CAMERON: —who worked at a crematory of some kind, and so had access to dead bodies.</td><td>295</td><td>CAMERON: —who worked at a crematory of some kind, and so had access to dead bodies.</td></tr>
<tr><td>301</td><td></td><td>296</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>302</td><td>DOC: [laughs] Well, see, there is no basis for that whatsoever. Number one, there wasn't a crematorium in my town at that time, and I don't have any friends in that realm. It doesn't even start with any kind of connection with her reality. It's just totally made up. [laughs] It's just like her modeling career, and the torture, the death cults, or whatever it was she said, is totally fabricated. It never happened. There wasn't any, even a little inclination that anything like that happened. She made it up totally. She's a sick individual.</td><td>297</td><td>DOC: [laughs] Well, see, there is no basis for that whatsoever. Number one, there wasn't a crematorium in my town at that time, and I don't have any friends in that realm. It doesn't even start with any kind of connection with her reality. It's just totally made up. [laughs] It's just like her modeling career, and the torture, the death cults, or whatever it was she said, is totally fabricated. It never happened. There wasn't any, even a little inclination that anything like that happened. She made it up totally. She's a sick individual.</td></tr>
<tr><td>303</td><td></td><td>298</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">304</td><td>CAMERON: You think <span class="difference">m</span>a<span class="difference">ybe</span> if she gets the help she needs, <span class="difference">and maybe is in a padded room </span>with supervision and medication, that she might be better off than out there leading a bunch of people off a cliff, like a virtual Jonestown? Because that's exactly what seems to be going on and brewing down there. She's got this new age alien cult started.</td><td class="has_difference">299</td><td>CAMERON: You think <span class="difference">th</span>a<span class="difference">t</span> if she gets the help she needs, with supervision and medication, that she might be better off than out there leading a bunch of people off a cliff, like a virtual Jonestown? Because that's exactly what seems to be going on and brewing down there. She's got this new age alien cult started.</td></tr>
<tr><td>305</td><td></td><td>300</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>306</td><td>DOC: Where is she living now?</td><td>301</td><td>DOC: Where is she living now?</td></tr>
<tr><td>307</td><td></td><td>302</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>308</td><td>CAMERON: Utah.</td><td>303</td><td>CAMERON: Utah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>309</td><td></td><td>304</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>310</td><td>DOC: In Utah?</td><td>305</td><td>DOC: In Utah?</td></tr>
<tr><td>311</td><td></td><td>306</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>312</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td><td>307</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>313</td><td></td><td>308</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>314</td><td>DOC: Like what, Park City?</td><td>309</td><td>DOC: Like what, Park City?</td></tr>
<tr><td>315</td><td></td><td>310</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>316</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td><td>311</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>317</td><td></td><td>312</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>318</td><td>DOC: That's another one, where she was on the Olympic ski team. [laughs]</td><td>313</td><td>DOC: That's another one, where she was on the Olympic ski team. [laughs]</td></tr>
<tr><td>319</td><td></td><td>314</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>320</td><td>JOHN: Is that true?</td><td>315</td><td>JOHN: Is that true?</td></tr>
<tr><td>321</td><td></td><td>316</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">322</td><td><span class="difference">DOC: No. [laughs] </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">323</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>324</td><td>CAMERON: It's not true? [laughs]</td><td>317</td><td>CAMERON: It's not true? [laughs]</td></tr>
<tr><td>325</td><td></td><td>318</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>326</td><td>DOC: There is nothing about Teal that is true! You can just take it all and forget it, because nothing she says is true!</td><td>319</td><td>DOC: There is nothing about Teal that is true! You can just take it all and forget it, because nothing she says is true!</td></tr>
<tr><td>327</td><td></td><td>320</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">328</td><td>CAMERON: I know that. It wouldn't be such a problem if it was just a crazy person on her own, but like I said, she's got a huge following, and a lot of this stuff is downright dangerous. A lot of her advice is dangerous, and there's a certain charisma about <span class="difference">c</span>r<span class="difference">azy people</span>. Also, for your own safety reasons, I would be concerned. I'm surprised nobody has told you what's going on sooner than this, that she<span class="difference">'s</span> named you, specifically.</td><td class="has_difference">321</td><td>CAMERON: I know that. It wouldn't be such a problem if it was just a crazy person on her own, but like I said, she's got a huge following, and a lot of this stuff is downright dangerous. A lot of her advice is dangerous, and there's a certain charisma about <span class="difference">he</span>r. Also, for your own safety reasons, I would be concerned. I'm surprised nobody has told you what's going on sooner than this, that she named you, specifically.</td></tr>
<tr><td>329</td><td></td><td>322</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>330</td><td>JOHN: She named him to the police and the media, is that right?</td><td>323</td><td>JOHN: She named him to the police and the media, is that right?</td></tr>
<tr><td>331</td><td></td><td>324</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">332</td><td>CAMERON: Her husband that she's now divorcing<span class="difference">—</span>her third husband<span class="difference">—</span>is actually the one that reported your name to the local news media, in Nampa, Idaho. It's an offshoot of Fox News, and she got air time for this. They haven't released<span class="difference">—</span>they can't release, I don't think, your name, legally, I wouldn't think. But they do have it. And they actually emailed me, and asked me to corroborate your identity, as well. And I said I'm not releasing his name, because there's nothing that she says that indicated that she's telling the truth. And I actually have seen how he could be in danger. And then they assured me that they were going to do some background checks, and they weren't going to release the information on you. But they did let me know that her husband already named you, and they were looking into it.</td><td class="has_difference">325</td><td>CAMERON: Her husband that she's now divorcing<span class="difference">, </span>her third husband<span class="difference">, </span>is actually the one that reported your name to the local news media, in Nampa, Idaho. It's an offshoot of Fox News, and she got air time for this. They haven't released<span class="difference"> – </span>they can't release, I don't think, your name, legally, I wouldn't think. But they do have it. And they actually emailed me, and asked me to corroborate your identity, as well. And I said I'm not releasing his name, because there's nothing that she says that indicated that she's telling the truth. And I actually have seen how he could be in danger. And then they assured me that they were going to do some background checks, and they weren't going to release the information on you. But they did let me know that her husband already named you, and they were looking into it.</td></tr>
<tr><td>333</td><td></td><td>326</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>334</td><td>JOHN: And someone called the police, as well, right?</td><td>327</td><td>JOHN: And someone called the police, as well, right?</td></tr>
<tr><td>335</td><td></td><td>328</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>336</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td><td>329</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>337</td><td></td><td>330</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>338</td><td>DOC: What's that?</td><td>331</td><td>DOC: What's that?</td></tr>
<tr><td>339</td><td></td><td>332</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>340</td><td>JOHN: Who called the police?</td><td>333</td><td>JOHN: Who called the police?</td></tr>
<tr><td>341</td><td></td><td>334</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>342</td><td>CAMERON: Teal.</td><td>335</td><td>CAMERON: Teal.</td></tr>
<tr><td>343</td><td></td><td>336</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>344</td><td>DOC: Really?</td><td>337</td><td>DOC: Really?</td></tr>
<tr><td>345</td><td></td><td>338</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>346</td><td>JOHN: Teal called the police, and did she name him by name?</td><td>339</td><td>JOHN: Teal called the police, and did she name him by name?</td></tr>
<tr><td>347</td><td></td><td>340</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">348</td><td>CAMERON: Yes, she reported him. There is an open investigation<span class="difference">,</span> that started sometime around 2005, 2006. No charges have been filed, but you and these claims were looked into.</td><td class="has_difference">341</td><td>CAMERON: Yes, she reported him. There is an open investigation that started sometime around 2005, 2006. No charges have been filed, but you and these claims were looked into.</td></tr>
<tr><td>349</td><td></td><td>342</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>350</td><td>JOHN: And that's in the news, you can actually find that on the Internet. It doesn't have your name on the Internet, but apparently the police have your name, and have been looking into it. I'm surprised they haven't contacted you.</td><td>343</td><td>JOHN: And that's in the news, you can actually find that on the Internet. It doesn't have your name on the Internet, but apparently the police have your name, and have been looking into it. I'm surprised they haven't contacted you.</td></tr>
<tr><td>351</td><td></td><td>344</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>352</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td><td>345</td><td>CAMERON: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">353</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">354</td><td><span class="difference">DOC: Well, I don't know what to say. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>355</td><td></td><td>346</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>356</td><td>JOHN: I know this is all probably somewhat of a shock, although not totally, because you know what she's capable of.</td><td>347</td><td>JOHN: I know this is all probably somewhat of a shock, although not totally, because you know what she's capable of.</td></tr>
<tr><td>357</td><td></td><td>348</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>358</td><td>DOC: The shock is that anyone would take anything that she says as being legitimate.</td><td>349</td><td>DOC: The shock is that anyone would take anything that she says as being legitimate.</td></tr>
<tr><td>359</td><td></td><td>350</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>360</td><td>CAMERON: [laughs]</td><td>351</td><td>CAMERON: [laughs]</td></tr>
<tr><td>361</td><td></td><td>352</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">362</td><td>JOHN: It is shocking, and she has millions—literally<span class="difference"> millions</span>—of people watching her videos on YouTube, and she has people living with her, so that's what concerns us, is the level of influence she has, despite her obvious insanity. She's been in the media, she's been on the news<span class="difference">,</span> she was interviewed by a Fox news affiliate<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">353</td><td>JOHN: It is shocking, and she has millions<span class="difference"> </span>—literally—<span class="difference"> </span>of people watching her videos on YouTube, and she has people living with her, so that's what concerns us, is the level of influence she has, despite her obvious insanity. She's been in the media, she's been on the news<span class="difference"> and</span> she was interviewed by a Fox news affiliate<span class="difference">.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>363</td><td></td><td>354</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">364</td><td>CAMERON: KIVI<span class="difference"> </span>TV in Nampa, Idaho. It's an offshoot of Fox.</td><td class="has_difference">355</td><td>CAMERON: KIVITV in Nampa, Idaho. It's an offshoot of Fox.</td></tr>
<tr><td>365</td><td></td><td>356</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">366</td><td>JOHN: <span class="difference">—</span>where she's saying horrible things about you, without mentioning your name<span class="difference">.</span></td><td class="has_difference">357</td><td>JOHN: <span class="difference">And someone called the police, as well, right: </span>where she's saying horrible things about you, without mentioning your name<span class="difference">?</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>367</td><td></td><td>358</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">368</td><td>CAMERON: Not in public, but she says it in private, so she's getting these followers all worked up, and then she's letting your name loose behind the scenes, and it's dangerous. It's downright dangerous for you, and I just don't know how long it<span class="difference">'s g</span>on<span class="difference">na go on</span> before something really bad happens. It's already happened with suicides galore. There's been at least two documented suicides.</td><td class="has_difference">359</td><td>CAMERON: Not in public, but she says it in private, so she's getting these followers all worked up, and then she's letting your name loose behind the scenes, and it's dangerous. It's downright dangerous for you, and I just don't know how long it<span class="difference"> will </span>on before something really bad happens. It's already happened with suicides galore. There's been at least two documented suicides.</td></tr>
<tr><td>369</td><td></td><td>360</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">370</td><td>DOC: What is the psychology<span class="difference">,</span> here, of these people who you call her followers? They have to be a little bit crazy, themselves, don't they?</td><td class="has_difference">361</td><td>DOC: What is the psychology here, of these people who you call her followers? They have to be a little bit crazy, themselves, don't they?</td></tr>
<tr><td>371</td><td></td><td>362</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">372</td><td>CAMERON: Well, she's playing to their vulnerabilities. She's claiming to have endured all of these traumas, and made it through to the other side. So she's like this inspirational story to a lot of wounded people. So of course she's already attracting wounded people, and then you add this groupthink mentality, and this crazy person telling them all the answers to life. So of course, you've got a Manson-like following, and a lot of them are off their rockers, yes. But she's just adding fuel to the fire. And I do think that that's a problem. She needs to be stopped. She needs to stop doing what she's doing, at least, being a social danger<span class="difference">—because g</span>ranted, these people are responsible for following, but at the same point, you know<span class="difference">—</span>it's kind of like trying to cut the head off a snake, really.</td><td class="has_difference">363</td><td>CAMERON: Well, she's playing to their vulnerabilities. She's claiming to have endured all of these traumas, and made it through to the other side. So she's like this inspirational story to a lot of wounded people. So of course she's already attracting wounded people, and then you add this groupthink mentality, and this crazy person telling them all the answers to life. So of course, you've got a Manson-like following, and a lot of them are off their rockers, yes. But she's just adding fuel to the fire. And I do think that that's a problem. She needs to be stopped. She needs to stop doing what she's doing, at least, being a social danger<span class="difference">. G</span>ranted, these people are responsible for following, but at the same point, you know<span class="difference">, </span>it's kind of like trying to cut the head off a snake, really.</td></tr>
<tr><td>373</td><td></td><td>364</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>374</td><td>JOHN: You've heard of Jonestown, Jim Jones?</td><td>365</td><td>JOHN: You've heard of Jonestown, Jim Jones?</td></tr>
<tr><td>375</td><td></td><td>366</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>376</td><td>DOC: Yeah.</td><td>367</td><td>DOC: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>377</td><td></td><td>368</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">378</td><td>JOHN: We're worried about another Jonestown, honestly.</td><td class="has_difference">369</td><td>JOHN: W<span class="difference">ell, w</span>e're worried about another Jonestown, honestly.</td></tr>
<tr><td>379</td><td></td><td>370</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">380</td><td>CAMERON: Pretty much. She's got a lot of suicidal ideation. I don't know if you noticed. She was a cutter. She had a lot of emotional problems, supposedly, already<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">371</td><td>CAMERON: Pretty much. She's got a lot of suicidal ideation. I don't know if you noticed. She was a cutter. She had a lot of emotional problems, supposedly, already<span class="difference">–</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>381</td><td></td><td>372</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>382</td><td>DOC: Yup.</td><td>373</td><td>DOC: Yup.</td></tr>
<tr><td>383</td><td></td><td>374</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">384</td><td>CAMERON: <span class="difference">—a</span>nd she's passing that along to her followers: it's okay, suicide's okay, it's a totally valid option<span class="difference">…</span>.</td><td class="has_difference">375</td><td>CAMERON: <span class="difference">A</span>nd she's passing that along to her followers: it's okay, suicide's okay, it's a totally valid option.</td></tr>
<tr><td>385</td><td></td><td>376</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">386</td><td><span class="difference">Teal's Letter to "Doc": Page One </span></td><td class="has_difference">377</td><td><span class="difference">A letter Doc presented us with, that was written to him by Teal Swan in 2004. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>387</td><td></td><td>378</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">379</td><td><span class="difference">This letter has been described in the following pages for easy reading and are presented alongside the original handwritten pages. The letters have been transcribed as is and hence typography and any errors in the original have been preserved. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>388</td><td></td><td>380</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">381</td><td><span class="difference">First page transcription: </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>389</td><td></td><td>382</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">390</td><td>Dearest [Doc], Noone <span class="difference">[sic] </span>has decided what is an easier Sanity, Freedom or Cages with a scheduled feeding and exerci<span class="difference">z</span>e<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> time. I wish too much... To See the world in a grain of sand and the universe in a Sand Castle. I wish I didn't drown people in the overflow from this little cup I plan to drink my life from. Didn't only take a burlap sack From Idea to Idea and Leave them, Burning all bridges So None of them Could follow. I wish my Anger wasn't So Acidic and Sadness So basic, that Both of them burn. I wish I wasn't left wanting of a time where I still Believed an ocean existed inside every spiral shell, and the sound there was waves instead of a change in the air pressure. I wish I wasn't flawed, but still had places to go towards Self Improval <span class="difference">[sic] </span>however small. So I Could Stare at the grain of Sand and feel the world. Instead of walking beaches and still feeling small or Large, depending on the day.</td><td class="has_difference">383</td><td>Dearest [Doc<span class="difference">.</span>], Noone has decided what is an easier Sanity, Freedom or Cages with a scheduled feeding and exerci<span class="difference">s</span>e time. I wish too much... To See the world in a grain of sand and the universe in a Sand Castle. I wish I didn't drown people in the overflow from this little cup I plan to drink my life from. Didn't only take a burlap sack From Idea to Idea and Leave them, Burning all bridges So None of them Could follow. I wish my Anger wasn't So Acidic and Sadness So basic, that Both of them burn. I wish I wasn't left wanting of a time where I still Believed an ocean existed inside every spiral shell, and the sound there was waves instead of a change in the air pressure. I wish I wasn't flawed, but still had places to go towards Self Improval however small. So I Could Stare at the grain of Sand and feel the world. Instead of walking beaches and still feeling small or Large, depending on the day.</td></tr>
<tr><td>391</td><td></td><td>384</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">392</td><td>I <span class="difference">M</span>ade the United States Telemark Ski Team. And placed 4th overall at Nationalls <span class="difference">[sic] </span>this year (my first Big Competition)</td><td class="has_difference">385</td><td>I <span class="difference">m</span>ade the United States Telemark Ski Team. And placed 4th overall at Nationalls this year (my first Big Competition)</td></tr>
<tr><td>393</td><td></td><td>386</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">387</td><td><span class="difference">Teal's skiing career investigated: </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>394</td><td></td><td>388</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">395</td><td>According to Garrett Long, president of the US National Telemark Ski Association (USTSA), it is impossible for Teal to have finished in fourth place, overall, at this competition, because "she finished fifth and eighth [in the events in which she competed], which clearly doesn't add up to fourth." Mr. Long's claim is corroborated by http://www.ustsa.org/events/results/results-2005-prior<span class="difference">,</span> which reports that the USTSA National Championship at the end of the 2003/2004 season consisted of four events: (1) Slalom, (2) Sprint Classic, (3) Giant Slalom, and (4) Classic. Teal did not compete in either the Slalom or Classic. She finished in last place in the Sprint Classic (of the eight competitors who completed the course without being disqualified) and the Giant Slalom (of the five competitors who completed the course without being disqualified).</td><td class="has_difference">389</td><td>According to Garrett Long, president of the US National Telemark Ski Association (USTSA), it is impossible for Teal to have finished in fourth place, overall, at this competition, because "she finished fifth and eighth [in the events in which she competed], which clearly doesn't add up to fourth." Mr. Long's claim is corroborated by http://www.ustsa.org/events/results/results-2005-prior which reports that the USTSA National Championship at the end of the 2003/2004 season consisted of four events: (1) Slalom, (2) Sprint Classic, (3) Giant Slalom, and (4) Classic. Teal did not compete in either the Slalom or Classic. She finished in last place in the Sprint Classic (of the eight competitors who completed the course without being disqualified) and the Giant Slalom (of the five competitors who completed the course without being disqualified).</td></tr>
<tr><td>396</td><td></td><td>390</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>397</td><td>Furthermore, her times were slower than every woman who completed these courses without being disqualified in the non-elite divisions, making her slower than every single woman who completed an event without being disqualified, in every event in which she competed. Teal's results at the National Championship at the end of the 2004/2005 season were similar. This competition also consisted of four events: (1) Outdoor Research Slalom, (2) Smith Optics Sprint Classic, (3) Voilé Giant Slalom, and (4) Icebreaker Classic. Of the seven competitors in the Outdoor Research Slalom, she finished in last place. Of the eight competitors in the Smith Optics Sprint Classic, she finished in last place. Of the seven competitors in the Voilé Giant Slalom, she finished in last place. She didn't compete in the Icebreaker Classic. Of the seven women who competed in the elite category, she finished in sixth place, overall.</td><td>391</td><td>Furthermore, her times were slower than every woman who completed these courses without being disqualified in the non-elite divisions, making her slower than every single woman who completed an event without being disqualified, in every event in which she competed. Teal's results at the National Championship at the end of the 2004/2005 season were similar. This competition also consisted of four events: (1) Outdoor Research Slalom, (2) Smith Optics Sprint Classic, (3) Voilé Giant Slalom, and (4) Icebreaker Classic. Of the seven competitors in the Outdoor Research Slalom, she finished in last place. Of the eight competitors in the Smith Optics Sprint Classic, she finished in last place. Of the seven competitors in the Voilé Giant Slalom, she finished in last place. She didn't compete in the Icebreaker Classic. Of the seven women who competed in the elite category, she finished in sixth place, overall.</td></tr>
<tr><td>398</td><td></td><td>392</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">399</td><td>The only thing keeping her from finishing in last place, apparently, is the fact that the last-place competitor competed in fewer events than Teal. Mr. Long continues: "I do not have the records to confirm [whether Teal was given a team spot in the 2004/2005 season.<span class="difference">]</span> What I can tell you is that she was given a team spot in the 2005/2006 season, but didn't compete in any of the events, including Nationals, in that season, and wouldn't have been able to achieve the fourth place finish in 2003/2004.</td><td class="has_difference">393</td><td>The only thing keeping her from finishing in last place, apparently, is the fact that the last-place competitor competed in fewer events than Teal. Mr. Long continues: "I do not have the records to confirm [whether Teal was given a team spot in the 2004/2005 season<span class="difference">]</span>. What I can tell you is that she was given a team spot in the 2005/2006 season, but didn't compete in any of the events, including Nationals, in that season, and wouldn't have been able to achieve the fourth place finish in 2003/2004<span class="difference">"</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td>400</td><td></td><td>394</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>401</td><td>"After separating from USSA [United States Ski and Snowboard Association], Telemark had become a less recognized sport, where a B team spot, as opposed to an A team spot, would not necessarily have been competitive. Just showing up to competition in 2004/2005 was sufficient to get her a spot [on the team] in 2005/2006, but she didn't compete in any events in the 2005/2006 season, according to our records. In the 2005/2006 season, we're showing four sanctioned events [that took place], and she competed in none of them." Mr. Long also explained that the fact that Teal competed in the "elite" category doesn't imply anything about her skill, because there were no requirements to qualify in that category. Competitors chose the category in which they wanted to compete.</td><td>395</td><td>"After separating from USSA [United States Ski and Snowboard Association], Telemark had become a less recognized sport, where a B team spot, as opposed to an A team spot, would not necessarily have been competitive. Just showing up to competition in 2004/2005 was sufficient to get her a spot [on the team] in 2005/2006, but she didn't compete in any events in the 2005/2006 season, according to our records. In the 2005/2006 season, we're showing four sanctioned events [that took place], and she competed in none of them." Mr. Long also explained that the fact that Teal competed in the "elite" category doesn't imply anything about her skill, because there were no requirements to qualify in that category. Competitors chose the category in which they wanted to compete.</td></tr>
<tr><td>402</td><td></td><td>396</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">403</td><td>Doc also writes:</td><td class="has_difference">397</td><td>Doc also writes:<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>404</td><td></td><td>398</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">405</td><td><span class="difference">[start of block quote]</span>She made some claims about qualifying the Ski Team? I know Teal and can tell you that she does not have the ability to sustain an effort for any length of time. She was obsessed with horses but her riding instructor gave up on her because she would not work at improving her riding skills. She seriously neglected her horse, which forced others to feed an<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> water it.<span class="difference">..</span> I doubt very much whether Teal could discipline herself enough to qualify for the ski team. In her letter to me she claims to have come in fourth in the trials. This is very convenient because they probably don't record who comes in fourth place. You should be able to look up the records to see if she actually ever got on the team.<span class="difference">..</span> Teal eventually realized that Olympic<span class="difference"> </span> athletes <span class="difference"> </span>are usually supported by their parents and that is exactly why she moved to Park City and pretended to be training for the ski team. Teal is a master at using sexual inun<span class="difference">e</span>do <span class="difference">[sic] </span>to manipulate males. It never<span class="difference"> worked on me because I knew her too well (from birth on) and that may be why she wants to discredit me now. I do know this, Teal never</span> suffered any kind of physical or sexual abuse as a child.<span class="difference">[end of block quote]</span></td><td class="has_difference">399</td><td>She made some claims about qualifying the Ski Team? I know Teal and can tell you that she does not have the ability to sustain an effort for any length of time. She was obsessed with horses but her riding instructor gave up on her because she would not work at improving her riding skills. She seriously neglected her horse, which forced others to feed an<span class="difference">d</span> water it. I doubt very much whether Teal could discipline herself enough to qualify for the ski team. In her letter to me she claims to have come in fourth in the trials. This is very convenient because they probably don't record who comes in fourth place. You should be able to look up the records to see if she actually ever got on the team. Teal eventually realized that Olympic athletes are usually supported by their parents and that is exactly why she moved to Park City and pretended to be training for the ski team. Teal is a master at using sexual in<span class="difference">n</span>u<span class="difference">e</span>ndo to manipulate males. I<span class="difference"> do know </span>t<span class="difference">his, Teal</span> never suffered any kind of physical or sexual abuse as a child.</td></tr>
<tr><td>406</td><td></td><td>400</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">401</td><td><span class="difference">Second page transcription: </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>407</td><td></td><td>402</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">408</td><td>I was Training everyday from 7:00 am to 4:30 pm... Training for the 2010 olympics which seems so far away. I lived with A US. Bobsledder and her Shitzu <span class="difference">[sic] </span>puppy, And then ended up in this Fantastic place in Old Town Park City. A little Blue Cottage with My New Girl friend (if you can believe it) Sarah Elliot, A world record holding Speed skater and olympic Cyclist And Blake Dyer, My Boyfriend of 1 year Now. (Arial <span class="difference">[sic] </span>Skier who's studying to be an <span class="difference">I</span>nternational businessman) I Just posed for playboy<span class="difference">—</span>maybe the Issue will be in late fall or winter. And for the past 1/2 A year I've been on a diet that excludes everything with Sugar because my Seizures were happening every day No processed food either. I'm So healthy it's scary. Hasn't made a dent on the Self destructive tendencies I have Though, I'm starting to think that side of Me wasn't Meant to change. In fact Aside from having to come home to Myself every Night, Puting <span class="difference">[sic] </span>Misery into Action Made Me clock in at 91 miles per hour in March. And All The Elite athletes I've been meeting all have a Reason they have to force</td><td class="has_difference">403</td><td>I was Training everyday from 7:00 am to 4:30 pm<span class="difference"> </span>... Training for the 2010 olympics which seems so far away. I lived with A US. Bobsledder and her Shitzu puppy, And then ended up in this Fantastic place in Old Town Park City. A little Blue Cottage with My New Girl friend (if you can believe it) Sarah Elliot, A world record holding Speed skater and olympic Cyclist And Blake Dyer, My Boyfriend of 1 year Now. (Arial Skier who's studying to be an <span class="difference">i</span>nternational businessman) I Just posed for playboy<span class="difference"> - </span>maybe the Issue will be in late fall or winter. And for the past 1/2 A year I've been on a diet that excludes everything with Sugar because my Seizures were happening every day No processed food either. I'm So healthy it's scary. Hasn't made a dent on the Self destructive tendencies I have Though, I'm starting to think that side of Me wasn't Meant to change. In fact Aside from having to come home to Myself every Night, Puting Misery into Action Made Me clock in at 91 miles per hour in March. And All The Elite athletes I've been meeting all have a Reason they have to force</td></tr>
<tr><td>409</td><td></td><td>404</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">410</td><td>[Contrary to Teal's claim, we found <span class="difference">zer</span>o evidence <span class="difference">that</span> Teal appear<span class="difference">ed </span>in Playboy Magazine<span class="difference">.</span> Doc also wr<span class="difference">i</span>tes<span class="difference">,</span> "In [this] letter she...claimed to be in playboy magazine; no need to research this as it<span class="difference">...</span>never happened." We researched it, nonetheless. A comprehensive search of all photos in the issues of Playboy from June 2004 to May 2005 at http://www.iplayboy.com<span class="difference">/</span> shows no photos of Teal. Also, a search for "Teal," "Swan," "Scott," and "Bosworth" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_in_Playboy_2000–09 and http://www.aeolia.net/playboy/playboy.htm reveals no signs of Teal either.]</td><td class="has_difference">405</td><td>[Contrary to Teal's claim, we found <span class="difference">n</span>o evidence <span class="difference">of</span> Teal<span class="difference"> ever</span> appearin<span class="difference">g in</span> Playboy Magazine<span class="difference">,</span> Doc also wr<span class="difference">o</span>te<span class="difference"> u</span>s<span class="difference">:</span> "In [this] letter she<span class="difference"> </span>...<span class="difference"> </span>claimed to be in playboy magazine; no need to research this as it<span class="difference"> </span>never happened." We researched it, nonetheless. A comprehensive search of all photos in the issues of Playboy from June 2004 to May 2005 at http://www.iplayboy.com shows no photos of Teal. Also, a search for "Teal," "Swan," "Scott," and "Bosworth" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_in_Playboy_2000–09 and http://www.aeolia.net/playboy/playboy.htm reveals no signs of Teal either.]</td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">411</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">412</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>413</td><td></td><td>406</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>414</td><td>Third and fourth page transcription:</td><td>407</td><td>Third and fourth page transcription:</td></tr>
<tr><td>415</td><td></td><td>408</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">416</td><td>past levels most people stop at. It seems I've lost all Contacts I had with "energy People" And Though I love park city and Skiing, I'm lonely and I imagine Thats <span class="difference">[sic] </span>The real reason I've dreampt <span class="difference">[sic] </span>of you 2-4 times every week I've been away and thought of you 5 times more. I read your book again. And it made Me Miss you... You were around me at a time when I was So fragile the line between life and Suicide was like millimeter Thick ice. Deciding whether to commit to life or Not, So Things you said felt good. And Some things almost killed me. I think Sometimes Strength is one thing that can never be given<span class="difference">—</span>only randomly acquired. I Miss your day long Speeches. I miss the Theories and the things we'd come up with together. You helped me realize something... I am the unhealed healer I heal by healing others. I've gotten stronger. Therefore more tortured. Visited by much much more. Seen 2 legitimate psychics who both Confirmed what I already know... That my real life's work will be on the Non Physical Rhealm<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> Connecting the 2 like a doorway. Medium Work. People animals and plants Needy of that sort of thing have been finding me. And Animals (familiars) to aid me have been finding me too. I've never had an easy time (or desired) Talking with Rodents. And I'd end up in Tears Weeks out of time because this is the first Time in my life I've Never had a companion animal And now (as of 3 days ago) I own the most expensive Rodent in the world, A chinchilla who I Named Sang. They live 12+ years. And I have fallen in Love. Chinchillas have Very dark energy</td><td class="has_difference">409</td><td>past levels most people stop at. It seems I've lost all Contacts I had with "energy People" And Though I love park city and Skiing, I'm lonely and I imagine Thats The real reason I've dreampt of you 2-4 times every week I've been away and thought of you 5 times more. I read your book again. And it made Me Miss you<span class="difference"> </span>... You were around me at a time when I was So fragile the line between life and Suicide was like millimeter Thick ice. Deciding whether to commit to life or Not, So Things you said felt good. And Some things almost killed me. I think Sometimes Strength is one thing that can never be given<span class="difference"> – </span>only randomly acquired. I Miss your day long Speeches. I miss the Theories and the things we'd come up with together. You helped me realize something<span class="difference"> </span>... I am the unhealed healer I heal by healing others. I've gotten stronger. Therefore more tortured. Visited by much much more. Seen 2 legitimate psychics who both Confirmed what I already know... That my real life's work will be on the Non Physical Rhealm Connecting the 2 like a doorway. Medium Work. People animals and plants Needy of that sort of thing have been finding me. And Animals (familiars) to aid me have been finding me too. I've never had an easy time (or desired) Talking with Rodents. And I'd end up in Tears Weeks out of time because this is the first Time in my life I've Never had a companion animal And now (as of 3 days ago) I own the most expensive Rodent in the world, A chinchilla who I Named Sang. They live 12+ years. And I have fallen in Love. Chinchillas have Very dark energy</td></tr>
<tr><td>417</td><td></td><td>410</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>418</td><td>Fourth and fifth page transcription:</td><td>411</td><td>Fourth and fifth page transcription:</td></tr>
<tr><td>419</td><td></td><td>412</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">420</td><td>I wouldn't have guessed That. They "key in" to one person usually and thats<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> already happened with Sang and I. I give him dust Baths. And he falls asleep on my chest watching movies. I foundout <span class="difference">[sic] </span>he's a charcoal chinchilla which is pretty rare. And I've found out Already That he starts "Barking" when entities enter the room. Are your Mules ok? I wonder every day what you're doing If you've held any Clinics. And found big business. I Always thought your Ideas Were perfect. I heard you quit the Veterinary Practice. I hope everyday that you quitting would make you happier I called some time ago though and [your wife] sounded miserable. So, I was worried. I May go to the Burkley <span class="difference">[sic] </span>psycic<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> Institute in California Soon Seeing as how Summer is Way too free! I'm secretly Studying Color Therapy... Had to figure out what my Fixation w/ surrounding myself in Blue was about. You know, it would seem that knowing what you Are and Want in life is Nothing to Commend a person for here on earth. The people here tear you further apart once you have a direction, Making The pain 3 times thicker. I suppose you could use it as a reason to Succeed. Something to Climb or Run away from. Sometimes I think I could pretend My life was only a movie I watched and was moved by. But deamons <span class="difference">[sic] </span>will always stay deamons <span class="difference">[sic] </span>when you ignore them or lock them up in the closets they hide in. They eat Fear like fuel, Needing No real food to Survive.<span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference">413</td><td>I wouldn't have guessed That. They "key in" to one person usually and thats already happened with Sang and I. I give him dust Baths. And he falls asleep on my chest watching movies. I foundout he's a charcoal chinchilla which is pretty rare. And I've found out Already That he starts "Barking" when entities enter the room. Are your Mules ok? I wonder every day what you're doing If you've held any Clinics. And found big business. I Always thought your Ideas Were perfect. I heard you quit the Veterinary Practice. I hope everyday that you quitting would make you happier I called some time ago though and [your wife] sounded miserable. So, I was worried. I May go to the Burkley psycic Institute in California Soon<span class="difference">.</span> Seeing as how Summer is Way too free! I'm secretly Studying Color Therapy... Had to figure out what my Fixation w/ surrounding myself in Blue was about. You know, it would seem that knowing what you Are and Want in life is Nothing to Commend a person for here on earth. The people here tear you further apart once you have a direction, Making The pain 3 times thicker. I suppose you could use it as a reason to Succeed. Something to Climb or Run away from. Sometimes I think I could pretend My life was only a movie I watched and was moved by. But deamons will always stay deamons when you ignore them or lock them up in the closets they hide in. They eat Fear like fuel, Needing No real food to Survive.</td></tr>
<tr><td>421</td><td></td><td>414</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>422</td><td>Fifth and sixth page transcription:</td><td>415</td><td>Fifth and sixth page transcription:</td></tr>
<tr><td>423</td><td></td><td>416</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">424</td><td>So they Never starve to death like you wish they would...However, It is the worst years of your life that deliver you packaged and tied with a bow to the doorstep of the best ones, And things you don't Need grow things you Needed the Most. haha<span class="difference">—</span> Finally, I've learned to fall in love with Paridoxes<span class="difference"> [sic]</span>. In this world, is just a war of Curveballs and Catches within a Game that Most of us have forgotten the rules to. I'm ok with that Now. I just have to Commit to playing it, And get you to Contact me again. So this letter was to tell you that I Miss you.</td><td class="has_difference">417</td><td>So they Never starve to death like you wish they would...<span class="difference"> </span>However, It is the worst years of your life that deliver you packaged and tied with a bow to the doorstep of the best ones, And things you don't Need grow things you Needed the Most. haha<span class="difference"> –</span> Finally, I've learned to fall in love with Paridoxes. In this world, is just a war of Curveballs and Catches within a Game that Most of us have forgotten the rules to. I'm ok with that Now. I just have to Commit to playing it, And get you to Contact me again. So this letter was to tell you that I Miss you.</td></tr>
<tr><td>425</td><td></td><td>418</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">426</td><td>And I Love You Very Very much.—My phone # is 1-<span class="difference"> </span>801-712-2568, Address is: po. Box 683506 park city, UTAH, 84068</td><td class="has_difference">419</td><td>And I Love You Very Very much.<span class="difference"> </span>—<span class="difference"> </span>My phone # is 1-801-712-2568, Address is: po. Box 683506 park city, UTAH, 84068</td></tr>
<tr><td>427</td><td></td><td>420</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">428</td><td>E-mail qieye@hotmail.com. Wo Hen Shian Ni! [<span class="difference">Translation: "I Miss You Very Much!" in </span>Mandarin <span class="difference">C</span>h<span class="difference">inese]</span></td><td class="has_difference">421</td><td>E-mail qieye@hotmail.com. Wo Hen Shian Ni! [Mandarin <span class="difference">for "i Miss You very muc</span>h<span class="difference">!"</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>429</td><td></td><td>422</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>430</td><td>[heart shape] your Teal</td><td>423</td><td>[heart shape] your Teal</td></tr>
<tr><td>431</td><td></td><td>424</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">432</td><td>Fo<span class="difference">ll</span>o<span class="difference">w-up email</span>s with "Doc"</td><td class="has_difference">425</td><td>F<span class="difference">urther c</span>o<span class="difference">mmunicati</span>o<span class="difference">n</span>s with "Doc"</td></tr>
<tr><td>433</td><td></td><td>426</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">434</td><td>DOC: Teal was obsessed with horses but her parents had no experience with them and asked for my advi<span class="difference">s</span>e<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> and help. I found a pony for Teal and taught her to ride. Consequently <span class="difference">t</span>eal and I had a good relationship. Teal's mother contacted me about Teal's troubling behavior and ask <span class="difference">[sic] </span>me to see what I could do. At the time Teal was supposedly cutting herself (wrists) and they were taking her regularly to a psychotherapist. Unfort<span class="difference">io</span>nately <span class="difference">[sic] </span>the therapy (which includ<span class="difference">ing [sic]</span> drugs) did not seem to help. Teal was relatively candid with me as we went about my appointments and I soon figured out that she was just scratching her wrists to simulate a cutting scar. The neighbor girl had been cutting herself and Teal saw what a psychological impact it had on the parents. Teal was scratching her wrists each time her father started pushing her to get a job and do chores around the house, and it worked. She confided in me that she was a reincarnation of Cleopatra and her parents were supposed to be her servants. Teal was a master at manipulating her mother and took great pride in upsetting her. When I started taking Teal on my farm calls after school the family had stopped eating together becase<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> Teal caused so much turmoil at meals. I told them she needed to be disciplined<span class="difference">...</span>but her mother took her briefly to China to learn the discipline of QiGong which was one of the modalities I had been practicing. Teal then decided to be a model and her mother set her up in an apartment in California to explore that option. I don't think that lasted more than a week or two.<span class="difference">.. She was not a model, Olympic athlete, or in Playboy magazine.... I did find the letter from Teal and attached are images, included photo, and envelope. This was written at the time she had just moved to park city.</span> Upon some more reflection <span class="difference">i</span> think that Teal may feel threatened by my detailed knowledge of her background. I pose a potential threat to the believability of her narrative.<span class="difference">...</span> I am not really interested in the details of her fairy tales. In my experience documenting the facts does not persuade true believers.</td><td class="has_difference">427</td><td>DOC: Teal was obsessed with horses but her parents had no experience with them and asked for my advi<span class="difference">c</span>e and help. I found a pony for Teal and taught her to ride. Consequently <span class="difference">T</span>eal and I had a good relationship. Teal's mother contacted me about Teal's troubling behavior and ask me to see what I could do. At the time Teal was supposedly cutting herself (wrists) and they were taking her regularly to a psychotherapist. Unfort<span class="difference">u</span>nately the therapy (which includ<span class="difference">ed</span> drugs) did not seem to help. Teal was relatively candid with me as we went about my appointments and I soon figured out that she was just scratching her wrists to simulate a cutting scar. The neighbor girl had been cutting herself and Teal saw what a psychological impact it had on the parents. Teal was scratching her wrists each time her father started pushing her to get a job and do chores around the house, and it worked. She confided in me that she was a reincarnation of Cleopatra and her parents were supposed to be her servants. Teal was a master at manipulating her mother and took great pride in upsetting her. When I started taking Teal on my farm calls after school the family had stopped eating together beca<span class="difference">u</span>se Teal caused so much turmoil at meals. I told them she needed to be disciplined<span class="difference">, </span>but her mother took her briefly to China to learn the discipline of Qi<span class="difference"> </span>Gong which was one of the modalities I had been practicing. Teal then decided to be a model and her mother set her up in an apartment in California to explore that option. I don't think that lasted more than a week or two. Upon some more reflection <span class="difference">I</span> think that Teal may feel threatened by my detailed knowledge of her background. I pose a potential threat to the believability of her narrative. I am not really interested in the details of her fairy tales. In my experience documenting the facts does not persuade true believers.</td></tr>
<tr><td>435</td><td></td><td>428</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">436</td><td>JOHN: I'd be interested to know what lies she tells in that bio <span class="difference">[http://tealswan.com/biography], and I'd be particularly interested to see any proof </span>you can provide to show that they are, in fact, lies.</td><td class="has_difference">429</td><td>JOHN: I'd be interested to know what lies she tells in that bio you can provide to show that they are, in fact, lies.</td></tr>
<tr><td>437</td><td></td><td>430</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">438</td><td>DOC: There should be some public records concerning her parents<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> employment, residence, and any case opened against me?</td><td class="has_difference">431</td><td>DOC: There should be some public records concerning her parents<span class="difference">'</span> employment, residence, and any case opened against me?</td></tr>
<tr><td>439</td><td></td><td>432</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">440</td><td>1<span class="difference"> .</span> Her parents and I were not ca<span class="difference">u</span>sual<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> acquaintances, her mother worked for me as an assistant for several years before they were married. She thought Teal might enjoy working with the animals like she had<span class="difference">.</span></td><td class="has_difference">433</td><td><span class="difference">DOC: -</span>1<span class="difference">-</span> Her parents and I were not casual acquaintances, her mother worked for me as an assistant for several years before they were married. She thought Teal might enjoy working with the animals like she had</td></tr>
<tr><td>441</td><td></td><td>434</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">442</td><td>2<span class="difference"> .</span> Her parents were both school teachers who were camp hosts at Tony Gro<span class="difference">o</span>ve<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> Lake in the summer. Teal grew up just north of Hyde Park Utah. I don't think she was born in NM because they already lived in Hyde Park at that time.</td><td class="has_difference">435</td><td><span class="difference">–</span>2<span class="difference">-</span> Her parents were both school teachers who were camp hosts at Tony Grove Lake in the summer. Teal grew up just north of Hyde Park Utah. I don't think she was born in N<span class="difference">ew </span>M<span class="difference">exico</span> because they already lived in Hyde Park at that time.</td></tr>
<tr><td>443</td><td></td><td>436</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">444</td><td>JOHN: So it looks like Teal was wrong when she said, "Doc was in his fifties or sixties<span class="difference">"</span> in 1989<span class="difference">—</span>because you were <span class="difference">[</span>in your forties<span class="difference">] in 1989—bu</span>t<span class="difference"> s</span>he<span class="difference"> wasn't off enough for this to [necessarily] constitute a bold-faced lie, or a major delusio</span>n.</td><td class="has_difference">437</td><td>JOHN: So it looks like Teal was wrong when she said, "Doc was in his fifties or sixties in 1989<span class="difference">", </span>because you were in your forties<span class="difference"> </span>then.</td></tr>
<tr><td>445</td><td></td><td>438</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">446</td><td>DOC:</td><td class="has_difference">439</td><td>DOC:<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>447</td><td></td><td>440</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">448</td><td>3<span class="difference">.</span> I was <span class="difference">[</span>in my forties<span class="difference">]</span> in 1989. Teal was never good at math. [Doc showed us his driver license, which confirms that he was in his forties in 1989.]</td><td class="has_difference">441</td><td><span class="difference">-</span>3<span class="difference">-</span> I was in my forties in 1989. Teal was never good at math. [Doc showed us his driver license, which confirms that he was in his forties in 1989.]</td></tr>
<tr><td>449</td><td></td><td>442</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">450</td><td>4<span class="difference">.</span> If there was a case opened against me, no one ever notified me about it.</td><td class="has_difference">443</td><td><span class="difference">-</span>4<span class="difference">-</span> If there was a case opened against me, no one ever notified me about it.<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>451</td><td></td><td>444</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">452</td><td>5<span class="difference">.</span> I think her parents might have noticed some evidence of at least one of the three abortions.</td><td class="has_difference">445</td><td><span class="difference">–</span>5<span class="difference">-</span> I think her parents might have noticed some evidence of at least one of the three abortions.<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>453</td><td></td><td>446</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">454</td><td>6<span class="difference">.</span> I am not a Morm<span class="difference">a</span>n<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> or religious (no church affiliation) and have never had any children.</td><td class="has_difference">447</td><td><span class="difference">-</span>6<span class="difference">-</span> I am not a Morm<span class="difference">o</span>n or religious (no church affiliation) and have never had any children.<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>455</td><td></td><td>448</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">456</td><td>7<span class="difference">.</span> Can she produce any evidence of her modelling career? Where are the ad<span class="difference">d</span>s<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> she appeared in? She did model for some boy<span class="difference"> </span>friends but <span class="difference">i</span> doubt they paid her for it. Where is the playboy layout they promised her?</td><td class="has_difference">449</td><td><span class="difference">–</span>7<span class="difference">-</span> Can she produce any evidence of her modelling career? Where are the ads she appeared in? She did model for some boyfriends but <span class="difference">I</span> doubt they paid her for it. Where is the playboy layout they promised her?<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>457</td><td></td><td>450</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">458</td><td>8<span class="difference">.</span> Did she ever make the ski team? I doubt it very much because Teal never sustained an effort even for the horsemanship she was obsessed with. Her father eventually sold the horse because she would not take care of it. She never finished any<span class="difference"> </span>thing she started.</td><td class="has_difference">451</td><td><span class="difference">–</span>8<span class="difference">-</span> Did she ever make the ski team? I doubt it very much because Teal never sustained an effort even for the horsemanship she was obsessed with. Her father eventually sold the horse because she would not take care of it. She never finished anything she started.</td></tr>
<tr><td>459</td><td></td><td>452</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">460</td><td><span class="difference">June 30, 2015 </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>461</td><td></td><td>453</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">462</td><td>CAMERON: I watched her relish in riling up her ex-boyfriend, to the point that he said he would hunt you down and kill you. I sat in her kitchen, and watched her tell him and a group of others graphic details about how you had allegedly sexually tortured her, and forced her to work in BDSM clubs in Vegas. I watched and listened, while she told her ex-boyfriend that you had allowed her sternum to be crushed and broken by a chair, as a man sat with the chair leg on her chest, while masturbating on top of her. I watched and listened, as she told her ex-<span class="difference"> </span>boyfriend that you had covered her in animal blood, during satanic rituals, and that the cow's blood had entered scrapes on her body, causing staph infections all over her back. I heard her tell him that the reason she has no moral compunctions against strangers "fingering" her, is that you took her to tantra classes at age nine<span class="difference">—</span>and that digital penetration to her is therefore no different than a handshake. This happened after she had allegedly been digitally penetrated by a client during an "energy healing" session in Teal's house. She told Fallon, her ex-boyfriend, these stories, after he was upset that Teal had allowed this client to digitally penetrate her. He was so angry, by the end of her stories about you, that he went on the Internet to look up your information, and threatened to drive to Idaho in the middle of the night to kill you. He has also publicly alluded to this in a comment on a public blog post. It's all a game to her, it seems to me, but a dangerous game at that. I think she is potentially putting you in quite a bit of danger.</td><td class="has_difference">454</td><td>CAMERON: I watched her relish in riling up her ex-boyfriend, to the point that he said he would hunt you down and kill you. I sat in her kitchen, and watched her tell him and a group of others graphic details about how you had allegedly sexually tortured her, and forced her to work in BDSM clubs in Vegas. I watched and listened, while she told her ex-boyfriend that you had allowed her sternum to be crushed and broken by a chair, as a man sat with the chair leg on her chest, while masturbating on top of her. I watched and listened, as she told her ex-boyfriend that you had covered her in animal blood, during satanic rituals, and that the cow's blood had entered scrapes on her body, causing staph infections all over her back. I heard her tell him that the reason she has no moral compunctions against strangers "fingering" her, is that you took her to tantra classes at age nine<span class="difference"> </span>and that digital penetration<span class="difference">,</span> to her<span class="difference">,</span> is therefore no different than a handshake. This happened after she had allegedly been digitally penetrated by a client during an "energy healing" session in Teal's house. She told Fallon, her ex-boyfriend, these stories, after he was upset that Teal had allowed this client to digitally penetrate her. He was so angry, by the end of her stories about you, that he went on the Internet to look up your information, and threatened to drive to Idaho in the middle of the night to kill you. He has also publicly alluded to this in a comment on a public blog post. It's all a game to her, it seems to me, but a dangerous game at that. I think she is potentially putting you in quite a bit of danger.</td></tr>
<tr><td>463</td><td></td><td>455</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">464</td><td>DOC: This is what is difficult for many to understand. Teal's stories are not about the specific details, <span class="difference">t</span>hey are about flipping the switch of the person she is talking to. Like pretending to cut herself got her parents to respond the way she wanted them to. The stories about sexual abuse are designed to get a reaction and not about communicating factual information. She composes them on the spot according to the way the specific listener reacts. Consequently the stories seldom if ever match up chronologically or factually. If the listener needs to hear the name of the abuser to believe her story she will supply the first one that pops into her head. She does not worry about the potential consequences of her statements beyond the context of the present situation. Consequently her stories are really not about me personally, who in another context she "loves very, very, much" (page six <span class="difference">[</span>of the letter she sent me<span class="difference">]</span>). The thing I find most interesting is that people are obsessed with the specific details of stories that are complete fabrications. It is not about the who, what and where of Teal's childhood sexual abuse, because it never happened in physical reality. It all happened in her fantasy world. Incidentally <span class="difference">[</span>Teal's alleged<span class="difference">]</span> psychic abilities<span class="difference">...</span>are limited. She told us that Elizabeth Smart was definitely buried in the Snowville dump, for example.<span class="difference">...</span> Unfortunately I made the stupid mistake of giving Teals<span class="difference">' [sic]</span> mother my candid opinion of the problem. The big problem in our minds (my wife and I) was that Teal's mother was unable and/or unwilling to discipline Teal in any way and her father refused to get involved. I suggested <span class="difference">w</span>hat<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> they needed to impose some rules of conduct and strictly enforce them. Consequently and predictably they took this as a personal attack and rejected the whole idea and me for making the suggestion. Teal's mother had a degree in psychology and believed professional therapy was the answer, even thou<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> it was obviously not working. I heard subsequently from mutual acquaintances that they had bought into at least some of Teal's fantasy. They moved physically and mentally out of the picture to southern Utah in order to avoid dealing with the problem they refused to accept any responsibility for. <span class="difference"> </span>Blam<span class="difference">m</span>ing<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> someone else (me or some other bog<span class="difference">y</span>man<span class="difference"> [sic]</span>) for the problem is a convenient way to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the mess. I believe Teal's continued antagonism with her mother/father was due to her fundamental need for a structured life they did not provide<span class="difference">; N</span>o rules and no accountability. Her repeated attempts to confront her parents were her way of asking them to provide some guidance. She needed and wanted parenting they were unprepared to provide. She has public<span class="difference"> </span>ally<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> denounced them and remains estranged as far as I know. Therefore their opinion may have evolved by now. Teal's aunt is the astronaut Mary Volgesberg (<span class="difference">sp)</span>. She theoretically would be a more objective and rational individual than Bobby (Teal's mother). But you never know how much she actually knows about the situation. She probably got only Bobby's limited version as she is not the type to follow Teal's internet adventures.<span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference">456</td><td>DOC: This is what is difficult for many to understand. Teal's stories are not about the specific details, <span class="difference">T</span>hey are about flipping the switch of the person she is talking to. Like pretending to cut herself got her parents to respond the way she wanted them to. The stories about sexual abuse are designed to get a reaction and not about communicating factual information. She composes them on the spot according to the way the specific listener reacts. Consequently the stories seldom if ever match up chronologically or factually. If the listener needs to hear the name of the abuser to believe her story she will supply the first one that pops into her head. She does not worry about the potential consequences of her statements beyond the context of the present situation. Consequently her stories are really not about me personally, who in another context she "loves very, very, much" (page six of the letter she sent me). The thing I find most interesting is that people are obsessed with the specific details of stories that are complete fabrications. It is not about the who, what and where of Teal's childhood sexual abuse, because it never happened in physical reality. It all happened in her fantasy world. Incidentally Teal's alleged psychic abilities<span class="difference"> </span>are limited. She told us that Elizabeth Smart was definitely buried in the Snowville dump, for example. Unfortunately I made the stupid mistake of giving Teal<span class="difference">'</span>s mother my candid opinion of the problem. The big problem in our minds (my wife and I) was that Teal's mother was unable and/or unwilling to discipline Teal in any way and her father refused to get involved. I suggested <span class="difference">t</span>hat they needed to impose some rules of conduct and strictly enforce them. Consequently and predictably they took this as a personal attack and rejected the whole idea and me for making the suggestion. Teal's mother had a degree in psychology and believed professional therapy was the answer, even thou<span class="difference">gh</span> it was obviously not working. I heard subsequently from mutual acquaintances that they had bought into at least some of Teal's fantasy. They moved physically and mentally out of the picture to southern Utah in order to avoid dealing with the problem they refused to accept any responsibility for. Blaming someone else (me or some other bo<span class="difference">o</span>g<span class="difference">ie</span>man) for the problem is a convenient way to absolve themselves of any responsibility for the mess. I believe Teal's continued antagonism with her mother/father was due to her fundamental need for a structured life they did not provide<span class="difference">: n</span>o rules and no accountability. Her repeated attempts to confront her parents were her way of asking them to provide some guidance. She needed and wanted parenting they were unprepared to provide. She has publically denounced them and remains estranged as far as I know. Therefore their opinion may have evolved by now. Teal's aunt is the astronaut Mary Volgesberg (<span class="difference">née Cleave)</span>. She theoretically would be a more objective and rational individual than Bobby (Teal's mother). But you never know how much she actually knows about the situation. She probably got only Bobby's limited version as she is not the type to follow Teal's internet adventures.</td></tr>
<tr><td>465</td><td></td><td>457</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">458</td><td><span class="difference">[We called Teal's aunt, Mary Cleave. Her response: "Teal is my niece. Teal is a family member of mine, and I don't do interviews about family members.] </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>466</td><td></td><td>459</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>467</td><td>CAMERON: I spent a weekend with Teal's parents at their house in the Escalante Desert, and met her brother several times. I had the sense, while I was there, that her parents were still walking on eggshells with Teal, even though their relationship appeared to be loving and supportive, at that time. She seems to go through constant falling out and reconciliation cycles with them, though. They seem to stay involved in her life rather closely, since the birth of Teal's son. Her parents are very involved in raising him. I get the sense that they stay in her life for the sake of her son, even though they may not actually buy all of her BS. Teal has recently attempted to publicly patch things up with her parents, but it seems more like a publicity stunt, or marketing tactic. It seems she has dragged her parents through the mud fairly consistently, in the past. I also recall that her brother, Sky, at our second meeting, divulged that he thinks his sister has "an imagination, and a penchant for exaggeration," which I thought was rather telling, given that I was a virtual stranger to him.</td><td>460</td><td>CAMERON: I spent a weekend with Teal's parents at their house in the Escalante Desert, and met her brother several times. I had the sense, while I was there, that her parents were still walking on eggshells with Teal, even though their relationship appeared to be loving and supportive, at that time. She seems to go through constant falling out and reconciliation cycles with them, though. They seem to stay involved in her life rather closely, since the birth of Teal's son. Her parents are very involved in raising him. I get the sense that they stay in her life for the sake of her son, even though they may not actually buy all of her BS. Teal has recently attempted to publicly patch things up with her parents, but it seems more like a publicity stunt, or marketing tactic. It seems she has dragged her parents through the mud fairly consistently, in the past. I also recall that her brother, Sky, at our second meeting, divulged that he thinks his sister has "an imagination, and a penchant for exaggeration," which I thought was rather telling, given that I was a virtual stranger to him.</td></tr>
<tr><td>468</td><td></td><td>461</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">469</td><td><span class="difference">CAMERON AND </span>JOHN: Did you respond to that letter? Was that the last communication you had with her?</td><td class="has_difference">462</td><td>JOHN: Did you<span class="difference"> ever</span> respond to that letter? Was that the last communication you had with her?</td></tr>
<tr><td>470</td><td></td><td>463</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">471</td><td>DOC: I received two or three similar correspon<span class="difference">s</span>es<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> over the years, but never responded to any of them, as they just rambled and never posed any questions that needed answer<span class="difference">ed [s</span>i<span class="difference">c]</span>. This was several years ago and I do not remember any specific details about them except for one which included several revealing photos I wisely decided not to show my wife. I did not intend to keep them and found this one only incidently<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> while reorganizing my old files a couple years ago. I don't know why I kept it then, but it retrospect it seems to have been a good idea. I also got a couple of telephone calls that I do not remember anything about, except that they were not about any particular issues; just checking in. She had two different boy<span class="difference"> </span>friends <span class="difference">[sic] </span>bring her to Idaho for discussions about my on<span class="difference"> </span>going<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> healing research. One was deaf the other was an associate of Gordon<span class="difference">"s [sic; </span>Teal's father<span class="difference">]</span> in the forest service. This associate of Gordon<span class="difference">'s</span> was not a <span class="difference">[</span>follower of Teal<span class="difference">]</span> and could co<span class="difference">lla</span>borate <span class="difference">[sic] </span>much of my account. <span class="difference">H</span>e<span class="difference"> sai</span>d<span class="difference">,</span> at the time, that he brought her because he was worried about the confrontational and erratic behavior she displayed at her family's holiday dinner the day before and I appeared to be the only one she could not buffalo<span class="difference"> (technica</span>l<span class="difference"> term in cowbo</span>y<span class="difference"> psychology.)</span></td><td class="has_difference">464</td><td>DOC: I received two or three similar correspon<span class="difference">denc</span>es over the years, but never responded to any of them, as they just rambled and never posed any questions that needed answeri<span class="difference">ng</span>. This was several years ago and I do not remember any specific details about them except for one which included several revealing photos I wisely decided not to show my wife. I did not intend to keep them and found this one only incident<span class="difference">al</span>ly while reorganizing my old files a couple years ago. I don't know why I kept it then, but it retrospect it seems to have been a good idea. I also got a couple of telephone calls that I do not remember anything about, except that they were not about any particular issues; just checking in. She had two different boyfriends bring her to Idaho for discussions about my ongoing healing research. One was deaf the other was an associate of Gordon<span class="difference"> (</span>Teal's father<span class="difference">)</span> in the forest service. This associate of Gordon was not a follower of Teal and could co<span class="difference">rro</span>borate much of my account. <span class="difference">This boyfri</span>e<span class="difference">n</span>d at the time, <span class="difference">said </span>that he brought her because he was worried about the confrontational and erratic behavior she displayed at her family's holiday dinner the day before and I appeared to be the only one she could not buffalo<span class="difference">. [bu</span>l<span class="difference">l</span>y<span class="difference">]</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>472</td><td></td><td>465</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">473</td><td>CAMERON: Did you know she suffered from <span class="difference">"</span>seizures<span class="difference">"</span> before receiving that letter?</td><td class="has_difference">466</td><td>CAMERON: Did you know she suffered from <span class="difference">'</span>seizures<span class="difference">'</span> before receiving that letter?</td></tr>
<tr><td>474</td><td></td><td>467</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">475</td><td>DOC: <span class="difference">s</span>upposedly<span class="difference">,</span> yes</td><td class="has_difference">468</td><td>DOC: <span class="difference">S</span>upposedly<span class="difference"> –</span> yes<span class="difference">.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">476</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">477</td><td><span class="difference">CAMERON: If so, when did she first begin having them? </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">478</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">479</td><td><span class="difference">DOC: ??? </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>480</td><td></td><td>469</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>481</td><td>CAMERON: What do you think was the cause of them?</td><td>470</td><td>CAMERON: What do you think was the cause of them?</td></tr>
<tr><td>482</td><td></td><td>471</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">483</td><td>DOC: 1<span class="difference">.</span> I was always suspicious that she was faking them to manipulate her mother because she never had one while I was around. Seizures like cutting has a powerful psychological effect on other people.</td><td class="has_difference">472</td><td>DOC: <span class="difference">-</span>1<span class="difference">-</span> I was always suspicious that she was faking them to manipulate her mother because she never had one while I was around. Seizures like cutting has a powerful psychological effect on other people.<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>484</td><td></td><td>473</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">485</td><td>2<span class="difference">.</span> She was addicted to white sugar. She kept a jar of sugar with a spoon in it under her bed.</td><td class="has_difference">474</td><td><span class="difference">–</span>2<span class="difference">-</span> She was addicted to white sugar. She kept a jar of sugar with a spoon in it under her bed.<span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>486</td><td></td><td>475</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">487</td><td>3<span class="difference">.</span> The psychologist she was seeing was always trying different medications on her.</td><td class="has_difference">476</td><td><span class="difference">-</span>3<span class="difference">-</span> The psychologist she was seeing was always trying different medications on her.</td></tr>
<tr><td>488</td><td></td><td>477</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>489</td><td>CAMERON: Did you try helping her manage them?</td><td>478</td><td>CAMERON: Did you try helping her manage them?</td></tr>
<tr><td>490</td><td></td><td>479</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">491</td><td>DOC: I told her to stop ea<span class="difference">t</span>ting <span class="difference">[sic] </span>the sugar. <span class="difference">[</span>Teal and her mother<span class="difference">]</span> had an antagonistic relationship when I was around. In one of our many candid conversations driving to an fro <span class="difference">[sic] </span>my farm calls Teal said she got the male teachers to help with her school work by being friendly and faking helplessness. She was able to graduate a year or two ahead of time this way. When she wanted something from a male she would hug, touch, bump, and sit close to them. Then pull away quickly if they actively reciprocated in any way.<span class="difference"> (Accomplished Teaser)</span></td><td class="has_difference">480</td><td>DOC: I told her to stop eating the sugar. Teal and her mother had an antagonistic relationship when I was around. In one of our many candid conversations driving to an<span class="difference">d</span> fro my farm calls<span class="difference">,</span> Teal said she got the male teachers to help with her school work by being friendly and faking helplessness. She was able to graduate a year or two ahead of time this way. When she wanted something from a male she would hug, touch, bump, and sit close to them. Then pull away quickly if they actively reciprocated in any way.</td></tr>
<tr><td>492</td><td></td><td>481</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">493</td><td>CAMERON: Teal has mentioned that you were a lifelong bachelor. However, in the letter Teal sent you, she said she tried calling, and<span class="difference">, "[</span>your wife<span class="difference">]</span> sounded miserable."</td><td class="has_difference">482</td><td>CAMERON: Teal has mentioned that you were a lifelong bachelor. However, in the letter Teal sent you, she said she tried calling, and<span class="difference"> </span>your wife sounded miserable."</td></tr>
<tr><td>494</td><td></td><td>483</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">495</td><td>DOC: <span class="difference">[</span>My wife<span class="difference">]</span> thought Teal was always trying to manipulate me and did not like it.<span class="difference">..w</span>e ha<span class="difference">ve [sic]</span> been married a long time before Teal was born.</td><td class="has_difference">484</td><td>DOC: My wife thought Teal was always trying to manipulate me and did not like it.<span class="difference"> W</span>e ha<span class="difference">d</span> been married a long time before Teal was born.</td></tr>
<tr><td>496</td><td></td><td>485</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">497</td><td>CAMERON: How long have you been married<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">486</td><td>CAMERON: How long have you been married<span class="difference">?</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>498</td><td></td><td>487</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">499</td><td>DOC: 34 years to <span class="difference">[</span>my wife<span class="difference">]</span> and 15 to <span class="difference">[</span>my ex-wife<span class="difference">]</span> before that</td><td class="has_difference">488</td><td>DOC: 34 years to my wife and 15 to my ex-wife before that<span class="difference">.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>500</td><td></td><td>489</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">501</td><td>CAMERON: <span class="difference">—i</span>f you don't mind me asking<span class="difference">?</span> I only ask because this is yet another possible glaring inconsistency in Teal's<span class="difference">...</span>narrative. You wrote<span class="difference">,</span> "He<span class="difference"> sa</span>id<span class="difference">,</span> at the time, that he brought her because he was worried about the confrontational and erratic behavior she displayed at her family's holiday dinner the day before and I appeared to be the only one she could not buffalo<span class="difference"> (technical term in cowboy psychology)</span>" Did you ever witness or learn about Teal being physically violent towards anyone other than herself?</td><td class="has_difference">490</td><td>CAMERON: <span class="difference">I</span>f you don't mind me asking<span class="difference">,</span> I only ask because this is yet another possible glaring inconsistency in Teal's<span class="difference"> </span>narrative. You wrote<span class="difference">:</span> "He<span class="difference">r boyfr</span>i<span class="difference">en</span>d at the time, <span class="difference">said </span>that he brought her because he was worried about the confrontational and erratic behavior she displayed at her family's holiday dinner the day before and I appeared to be the only one she could not buffalo<span class="difference">.</span>" Did you ever witness or learn about Teal being physically violent towards anyone other than herself?</td></tr>
<tr><td>502</td><td></td><td>491</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">503</td><td>DOC: No, she was not violent or physicaly<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> abusive to either people or animals.</td><td class="has_difference">492</td><td>DOC: No, she was not violent or physical<span class="difference">l</span>y abusive to either people or animals.</td></tr>
<tr><td>504</td><td></td><td>493</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>505</td><td>CAMERON: Also, what do you mean by "erratic behavior"?</td><td>494</td><td>CAMERON: Also, what do you mean by "erratic behavior"?</td></tr>
<tr><td>506</td><td></td><td>495</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">507</td><td>DOC:<span class="difference"> (The associate's words)</span> Disruptive is p<span class="difference">u</span>rhaps <span class="difference">[sic] </span>a better word. I told you that the family had stopped ea<span class="difference">t</span>ting<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> together because she reportedly always created some kind of contr<span class="difference">a</span>versy <span class="difference">[sic] </span>that upset everyone. I never witnessed this first hand however.<span class="difference">...</span> The real culprit here is Teal's parents who have refused to face the situation. Bobbie [Teal's mother] knows full well that I do not fit the profile of Teal's supposed villain. She also obviously knows that Teal's bio is fabricated. Why do they not speak up? Why do they selectively accept the rape allegations when they know the rest is all made up? I think the reason is that they do not want to accept any responsibility for the problem. If any part of Teal's fairy ta<span class="difference">i</span>l<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> is true, her parents qualify as the worst in the world. They did not know she was abducted at night, held captive, raped repeatedly, tortured, aborted three times, attempted suicide, buried in an Idaho cave etc. etc. etc. <span class="difference">????? </span>All that trama<span class="difference"> [sic]</span> and turmoil was not noted by her teachers either and apparently did not ultimately interfere with her school work? (She graduated <span class="difference"> </span>early <span class="difference"> </span>from <span class="difference"> </span>high<span class="difference"> </span> school)<span class="difference">.</span> Scheduling her homework assignments between all those traumatic and emotionally charged incidents must have been difficult. <span class="difference">[</span>Sarcastically:<span class="difference">]</span> The obvious answer is that she is, as she contends, a super<span class="difference"> </span>natural <span class="difference">[sic] </span>being in touch with universal truths, and not a mortal being subject to the laws of nature like the rest of us are.</td><td class="has_difference">496</td><td>DOC: Disruptive is p<span class="difference">e</span>rhaps a better word. I told you that the family had stopped eating together because she reportedly always created some kind of contr<span class="difference">o</span>versy that upset everyone. I never witnessed this first hand however. The real culprit here is Teal's parents who have refused to face the situation. Bobbie [Teal's mother] knows full well that I do not fit the profile of Teal's supposed villain. She also obviously knows that Teal's bio is fabricated. Why do they not speak up? Why do they selectively accept the rape allegations when they know the rest is all made up? I think the reason is that they do not want to accept any responsibility for the problem. If any part of Teal's fairy tal<span class="difference">e</span> is true, her parents qualify as the worst in the world. They did not know she was abducted at night, held captive, raped repeatedly, tortured, aborted three times, attempted suicide, buried in an Idaho cave etc. etc. etc. All that tra<span class="difference">u</span>ma and turmoil was not noted by her teachers either and apparently did not ultimately interfere with her school work? (She graduated early from high school<span class="difference">.</span>) Scheduling her homework assignments between all those traumatic and emotionally charged incidents must have been difficult. <span class="difference">(</span>Sarcastically:<span class="difference">)</span> The obvious answer is that she is, as she contends, a supernatural being in touch with universal truths, and not a mortal being subject to the laws of nature like the rest of us are.</td></tr>
<tr><td>508</td><td></td><td>497</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">498</td><td><span class="difference">[We called Teal's parents, when we told her mother we wanted to interview her or her husband about Teal, she hung up the phone.] </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>509</td><td></td><td>499</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">510</td><td><span class="difference">GURU ETHICS INTERVIEW WITH BLAKE DYER 8/17/2015</span></td><td class="has_difference">500</td><td><span class="difference">Prese</span>nt<span class="difference">ing: Blake Dy</span>er Teal<span class="difference">'</span>s <span class="difference">e</span>x-<span class="difference">b</span>oyfriend and <span class="difference">b</span>usiness <span class="difference">p</span>artner</td></tr>
<tr><td>511</td><td></td><td>501</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">512</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference">502</td><td><span class="difference">On August 17, 2015, three writers for this magazine called Teal Swan's business partner, Blake Dyer, to request a response to this magazine's interview with Teal's alleged abuser. Dyer is Teal's ex-boyfriend, who is COO of Teal's organization, Teal Eye, LLC. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>513</td><td></td><td>503</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">514</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>:<span class="difference"> …</span> We were gonna continue you know our passion and doing what we love and—<span class="difference"> </span>you know<span class="difference">--</span>helping people with uh<span class="difference">—</span>and then stop being kinda consumed by the<span class="difference">—</span>by the hate and the fear, really.</td><td class="has_difference">504</td><td>BLAKE: We were gonna continue<span class="difference">,</span> you know<span class="difference">,</span> our passion and doing what we love and<span class="difference"> </span>—you know<span class="difference">, </span>helping people with uh<span class="difference"> ... </span>and then stop being kinda consumed by the<span class="difference"> ... </span>by the hate and the fear, really.</td></tr>
<tr><td>515</td><td></td><td>505</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">516</td><td>DEBRA: I understand that, and that<span class="difference">’</span>s not my call to say whether Teal is helping people or not<span class="difference">—</span> or how people feel<span class="difference">—</span> because thousands of people you know<span class="difference">—</span> may have all different reactions<span class="difference">—</span> so that<span class="difference">’</span>s not my call. Our call as a magazine is for the facts<span class="difference">.</span> And the spiritual leaders in the community<span class="difference">,</span> are looked up to based on their stories and based on what they say about themselves<span class="difference">—and</span> the facts have to add up. So just like<span class="difference">—</span> there was <span class="difference">a</span>—<span class="difference"> </span>and I<span class="difference">’</span>m not comparing this directly to Teal<span class="difference">—</span>but just as an example— you know<span class="difference">—</span>there was a very well-known teacher<span class="difference">—</span> teaching young people, and he had a pedophilia record<span class="difference">—</span> which makes him dangerous. So we look at what<span class="difference">’</span>s behind the facts<span class="difference">—</span> and the door<span class="difference">—</span> and we are concerned<span class="difference">,</span> because i<span class="difference">t’</span>s not adding up to what Teal has said about herself<span class="difference">. A</span>nd it could be a very explosive story<span class="difference"> in that regard, because p</span>eople look at her like she<span class="difference">’</span>s being very truthful about her background and truthful about what has happened. And maybe some things have happened to her<span class="difference">—</span> and that has evolved into a different form, because she doesn<span class="difference">’</span>t wan<span class="difference">na</span> really discuss the real<span class="difference">—the real</span> case behind it<span class="difference">? But</span> we<span class="difference">’</span>re talking about a man who<span class="difference">’</span>s being accused of a very heinous crime<span class="difference">—a</span>nd nothing <span class="difference">is</span> match<span class="difference">ing</span> up<span class="difference">— and </span>i<span class="difference">t’</span>s very disconcerting. I mean<span class="difference">— w</span>e<span class="difference"> even</span> went as far as talking to a coroner, who works in a morgue, and he says it<span class="difference">’s</span> physically impossible to sew an eight<span class="difference">-</span>year<span class="difference">-</span>old child into a corpse. <span class="difference">I mean—there’s a</span> lot of things <span class="difference">that </span>are not adding up<span class="difference">,</span> and <span class="difference">that’s what </span>we<span class="difference">’</span>re concerned about.</td><td class="has_difference">506</td><td>DEBRA: I understand that, and that<span class="difference">'</span>s not my call<span class="difference">,</span> to say whether Teal is helping people or not or how people feel<span class="difference">,</span> because thousands of people<span class="difference">,</span> you know<span class="difference">,</span> may have all different reactions so that<span class="difference">'</span>s not my call. Our call as a magazine is for the facts<span class="difference">!</span> And the spiritual leaders in the community are looked up to<span class="difference">,</span> based <span class="difference">up</span>on their stories and based on what they say about themselves<span class="difference">, so</span> the facts have to add up. So just like there was —and I<span class="difference">'</span>m not comparing this directly to Teal<span class="difference">, </span>but just as an example— you know<span class="difference">, </span>there was a very well-known teacher<span class="difference"> who was</span> teaching young people, and he had a pedophilia record which makes him dangerous. So we look at what<span class="difference"> i</span>s behind the facts and the door<span class="difference">,</span> and we are concerned because <span class="difference">th</span>i<span class="difference">ng</span>s<span class="difference"> are</span> not adding up to what Teal has said about herself<span class="difference"> a</span>nd it could be a very explosive story<span class="difference">. P</span>eople look at her like she<span class="difference">'</span>s being very truthful about her background and truthful about what has happened. And maybe some things have happened to her and that has evolved into a different form, because she does<span class="difference"> </span>n<span class="difference">o</span>t wan<span class="difference">t to</span> really discuss the real case behind it<span class="difference">. So</span> we<span class="difference"> a</span>re talking about a man who<span class="difference"> i</span>s being accused of a very heinous crime<span class="difference">. A</span>nd<span class="difference"> there is</span> nothing <span class="difference">that</span> match<span class="difference">es</span> up<span class="difference">, wh</span>i<span class="difference">ch i</span>s very disconcerting. I mean<span class="difference">, sh</span>e went as far as talking to a coroner, who works in a morgue, and he says it physically impossible to sew an eight<span class="difference"> </span>year<span class="difference"> </span>old child into a corpse. <span class="difference">A</span> lot of things are not adding up and we<span class="difference"> a</span>re concerned about<span class="difference"> that</span>.<span class="difference"> For instance: to be sewn into corpse, is that even possible?</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>517</td><td></td><td>507</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">518</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Yes, and I understand your concern I understand your<span class="difference">—</span> [clears throat] wanting to<span class="difference">—</span>see someone that<span class="difference">’</span>s influential to<span class="difference">—</span> you know<span class="difference">— </span>be truthful<span class="difference">—</span>so<span class="difference">—</span>uh<span class="difference">—</span> like I said I<span class="difference">’</span>m um uh we<span class="difference">’</span>re still interested in talking about us with balanced viewpoint. <span class="difference">Um </span>I wanna<span class="difference">—</span> just check a couple more facts.</td><td class="has_difference">508</td><td>BLAKE: Yes, and I understand your concern I understand your [clears throat] wanting to<span class="difference"> </span>see someone that<span class="difference">'</span>s influential to<span class="difference">,</span> you know<span class="difference">, </span>be truthful<span class="difference">, </span>so<span class="difference"> </span>uh<span class="difference"> ...</span> like I said I<span class="difference">'</span>m um uh <span class="difference">... </span>we<span class="difference">'</span>re still interested in talking about us with balanced viewpoint. I wanna<span class="difference">,</span> just check a couple more facts.</td></tr>
<tr><td>519</td><td></td><td>509</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>520</td><td>DEBRA: Sure.</td><td>510</td><td>DEBRA: Sure.</td></tr>
<tr><td>521</td><td></td><td>511</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">522</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Um<span class="difference">—</span>check a<span class="difference">—</span>check a little bit more into you guys<span class="difference">—</span> um but<span class="difference">—</span>for the moment<span class="difference">—</span>you know<span class="difference">—</span>we haven<span class="difference">’</span>t<span class="difference">—w</span>e<span class="difference">’</span>re going to this uh<span class="difference">—</span>we haven<span class="difference">’</span>t released his name to anybody<span class="difference">—</span> and like <span class="difference">John</span> found out that<span class="difference">— uh</span> a person that lived with us release<span class="difference">d</span> Teal<span class="difference">’</span>s abuser<span class="difference">’</span>s name<span class="difference">—</span>and that was totally without our knowledge<span class="difference">—</span>and this is<span class="difference">—</span> not something we are doing. We are not releasing this person<span class="difference">’</span>s name, so<span class="difference">—</span> uh</td><td class="has_difference">512</td><td>BLAKE: Um<span class="difference"> ... </span>check a<span class="difference"> ... </span>check a little bit more into you guys<span class="difference"> ...</span> um but<span class="difference"> ... </span>for the moment<span class="difference">, </span>you know<span class="difference">, </span>we haven<span class="difference">'</span>t<span class="difference">. W</span>e<span class="difference">'</span>re going to this uh<span class="difference"> ... </span>we haven<span class="difference">'</span>t released his name to anybody and like <span class="difference">Sara</span> found out that a person that lived with us release Teal<span class="difference">'</span>s abuser<span class="difference">'</span>s name<span class="difference"> </span>and that was totally without our knowledge<span class="difference"> </span>and this is not something we are doing. We are not releasing this person<span class="difference">'</span>s name, so uh<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>523</td><td></td><td>513</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">524</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: So you<span class="difference">’</span>re saying that Sarbdeep told KIVI-TV without your knowledge and without Teal<span class="difference">’</span>s knowledge?</td><td class="has_difference">514</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: So you<span class="difference">'</span>re saying that Sarbdeep told KIVI-TV without your knowledge and without Teal<span class="difference">'</span>s knowledge?</td></tr>
<tr><td>525</td><td></td><td>515</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">526</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: [barely audible] Yeah.</td><td class="has_difference">516</td><td>BLAKE: [barely audible] Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>527</td><td></td><td>517</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">528</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: [Teal<span class="difference">’</span>s alleged abuser<span class="difference">’</span>s name]?</td><td class="has_difference">518</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: [Teal<span class="difference">'</span>s alleged abuser<span class="difference">'</span>s name]?</td></tr>
<tr><td>529</td><td></td><td>519</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">530</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Yeah<span class="difference">—</span>he shared that information when he wasn<span class="difference">’</span>t even living with us.</td><td class="has_difference">520</td><td>BLAKE: Yeah<span class="difference">, </span>he shared that information when he wasn<span class="difference">'</span>t even living with us.</td></tr>
<tr><td>531</td><td></td><td>521</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">532</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: So Cameron also told us that Teal told <span class="difference">[T</span>e<span class="difference">al’s</span> alleged abuser<span class="difference">’</span>s name<span class="difference">]</span> to her, <span class="difference">to </span>you<span class="difference">, to</span> a few other people around a kitchen table. That<span class="difference">’</span>s how we even got his name. It<span class="difference">’</span>s because Teal told Cameron. So<span class="difference">—</span>she<span class="difference">’</span>s clearly telling some people.</td><td class="has_difference">522</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: So Cameron also told us that Teal told <span class="difference">h</span>e<span class="difference">r</span> alleged abuser<span class="difference">'</span>s name to her, you a<span class="difference">nd a</span> few other people around a kitchen table. That<span class="difference">'</span>s how we even got his name. It<span class="difference">'</span>s because Teal told Cameron. So<span class="difference">, </span>she<span class="difference">'</span>s clearly telling some people.</td></tr>
<tr><td>533</td><td></td><td>523</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">534</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Well<span class="difference">—</span>that was<span class="difference">—</span>in confidence<span class="difference">—</span>in our own household and she was<span class="difference"> a—</span> household member at that time<span class="difference">. A</span>nd<span class="difference">—</span>um<span class="difference">—</span>the fact that she<span class="difference">’</span>s sharing this is<span class="difference">—</span>is uh<span class="difference">—</span>horrible.</td><td class="has_difference">524</td><td>BLAKE: Well<span class="difference">, </span>that was<span class="difference">, </span>in confidence<span class="difference"> ... </span>in our own household and she was household member at that time<span class="difference">, a</span>nd<span class="difference"> </span>um<span class="difference"> ... </span>the fact that she<span class="difference">'</span>s sharing this is<span class="difference"> ... </span>is uh<span class="difference"> </span>horrible.</td></tr>
<tr><td>535</td><td></td><td>525</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">536</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Well she<span class="difference">’</span>s not sharing it publicly. I mean she<span class="difference">’</span>s told a couple of us. When you say she shared it in confidence<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">526</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Well she<span class="difference">'</span>s not sharing it publicly. I mean she<span class="difference">'</span>s told a couple of us. When you say she shared it in confidence<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>537</td><td></td><td>527</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">538</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: [interrupts] Well<span class="difference">—</span> neither are we.</td><td class="has_difference">528</td><td>BLAKE: [interrupts] Well<span class="difference">,</span> neither are we.</td></tr>
<tr><td>539</td><td></td><td>529</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">540</td><td>DEBRA: We<span class="difference">’</span>re not releasing the name of <span class="difference">[</span>Teal<span class="difference">’</span>s alleged abuser<span class="difference">]</span>.</td><td class="has_difference">530</td><td>DEBRA: We<span class="difference"> a</span>re not releasing the name of Teal<span class="difference">'</span>s alleged abuser.</td></tr>
<tr><td>541</td><td></td><td>531</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">542</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: NO. We<span class="difference">’</span>re not gon<span class="difference">na</span> publish his name. <span class="difference"> </span>But when you say in confidence<span class="difference">—</span> what made it confidential?</td><td class="has_difference">532</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: NO. We<span class="difference">'</span>re not go<span class="difference">i</span>n<span class="difference">g to</span> publish his name. But when you say in confidence<span class="difference">,</span> what made it confidential?</td></tr>
<tr><td>543</td><td></td><td>533</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">544</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: You<span class="difference">’</span>re not gonna<span class="difference">— y</span>ou<span class="difference">’</span>re not gonna release his name<span class="difference">!</span>?</td><td class="has_difference">534</td><td>BLAKE: You<span class="difference">'</span>re not gonna<span class="difference">? Y</span>ou<span class="difference">'</span>re not gonna release his name?</td></tr>
<tr><td>545</td><td></td><td>535</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">546</td><td>DEBRA AND <span class="difference">JOHN</span>: [i<span class="difference">n </span>tan<span class="difference">d</span>em<span class="difference">]</span> NO.</td><td class="has_difference">536</td><td>DEBRA AND <span class="difference">SARA</span>: [<span class="difference">s</span>i<span class="difference">mul</span>tan<span class="difference">eously, </span>em<span class="difference">phatically:</span> NO.</td></tr>
<tr><td>547</td><td></td><td>537</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">548</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Not at all.</td><td class="has_difference">538</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Not at all.</td></tr>
<tr><td>549</td><td></td><td>539</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">550</td><td><span class="difference">DEBRA: m-mm. </span></td><td class="has_difference">540</td><td><span class="difference">BLAKE: NOPE. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>551</td><td></td><td>541</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">552</td><td><span class="difference">BLAKE DYER: NO? </span></td><td class="has_difference">542</td><td><span class="difference">SARA: No, definitely not. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>553</td><td></td><td>543</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">554</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN: No—definitely not. </span></td><td class="has_difference">544</td><td><span class="difference">BLAKE: Because his name is all over that email that you just sent to Teal's parents. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>555</td><td></td><td>545</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">556</td><td><span class="difference">BLAKE DYER: Because— his name is all over that email that you just sent to Teal’s parents. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">557</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">558</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Well yeah. I mean we figured they already know who he is, so there<span class="difference">’</span>s no public information there. We<span class="difference">’</span>re already telling them what they already know. But we<span class="difference">’</span>re not gon<span class="difference">na</span> publish the name in the magazine. We<span class="difference">’</span>re redacting his name everywhere. So<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">546</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Well yeah. I mean we figured they already know who he is, so there<span class="difference">'</span>s no public information there. We<span class="difference">'</span>re already telling them what they already know. But we<span class="difference">'</span>re not go<span class="difference">i</span>n<span class="difference">g to</span> publish the name in the magazine. We<span class="difference">'</span>re redacting his name everywhere. So<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>559</td><td></td><td>547</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>560</td><td>BLAKE DYER: You are.</td><td>548</td><td>BLAKE DYER: You are.</td></tr>
<tr><td>561</td><td></td><td>549</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">562</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Yeah. Oh yes<span class="difference">—</span> definitely. We want to protect his anonymity.</td><td class="has_difference">550</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Yeah. Oh yes<span class="difference">,</span> definitely. We want to protect his anonymity.</td></tr>
<tr><td>563</td><td></td><td>551</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">564</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Our goal is to protect his anonymity.</td><td class="has_difference">552</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Our goal is to protect his anonymity.</td></tr>
<tr><td>565</td><td></td><td>553</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">566</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Well good. Because<span class="difference">—</span>yeah<span class="difference">—</span>we don<span class="difference">’</span>t have any interest in<span class="difference">—</span> in uh<span class="difference">—</span>releasing his name either.</td><td class="has_difference">554</td><td>BLAKE: Well good. Because<span class="difference">, </span>yeah<span class="difference">, </span>we don<span class="difference">'</span>t have any interest in<span class="difference"> ...</span> in uh<span class="difference"> ... </span>releasing his name either.</td></tr>
<tr><td>567</td><td></td><td>555</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">568</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Yeah. So when you say Teal told his name to Cameron in confidence<span class="difference">—w</span>hat do you mean in confidence? Did she sign a confidentiality agreement? Or did <span class="difference">s</span>he make an oral agreement to be confidential?</td><td class="has_difference">556</td><td><span class="difference">SA</span>R<span class="difference">A</span>: Yeah. So when you say Teal told his name to Cameron in confidence<span class="difference"> t</span>hat do you mean in confidence? Did she sign a confidentiality agreement? Or did he make an oral agreement to be confidential?</td></tr>
<tr><td>569</td><td></td><td>557</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">570</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Um<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">558</td><td>BLAKE: Um<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>571</td><td></td><td>559</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">572</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Or is it just assumed that it was private?</td><td class="has_difference">560</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Or is it just assumed that it was private?</td></tr>
<tr><td>573</td><td></td><td>561</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">574</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: I don<span class="difference">’</span>t know how to<span class="difference">—</span>answer you guys in this question because this<span class="difference">—</span>i<span class="difference">t’</span>s in our household.</td><td class="has_difference">562</td><td>BLAKE: I don<span class="difference">'</span>t know how to<span class="difference"> </span>answer you guys in this question because this<span class="difference"> </span>is in our household.</td></tr>
<tr><td>575</td><td></td><td>563</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">576</td><td>DEBRA: Mm-hm. Like an<span class="difference">—</span>ashram<span class="difference">—</span> or <span class="difference">like </span>a<span class="difference">— like a</span> spiritual community. <span class="difference">It was a spiritual community—your household? </span>Is that a fair assessment? I understand because I have been in spiritual communities, so that<span class="difference">’</span>s why I<span class="difference">’</span>m using that term.</td><td class="has_difference">564</td><td>DEBRA: Mm-hm. Like an<span class="difference"> </span>ashram or a spiritual community. Is that a fair assessment? I understand because I have been in spiritual communities, so that<span class="difference">'</span>s why I<span class="difference">'</span>m using that term.</td></tr>
<tr><td>577</td><td></td><td>565</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">578</td><td>BLAKE: Um<span class="difference">—</span>I [sigh]<span class="difference">—</span>k<span class="difference">— </span>I<span class="difference">’</span>m um I don<span class="difference">’</span>t think I<span class="difference">’</span>m gonna go further with you guys right now. I<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">566</td><td>BLAKE: Um<span class="difference"> ... </span>I [sigh]<span class="difference">, o</span>k<span class="difference"> ... </span>I<span class="difference">'</span>m um I don<span class="difference">'</span>t think I<span class="difference">'</span>m gonna go further with you guys right now. I<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>579</td><td></td><td>567</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>580</td><td>DEBRA: Ok.</td><td>568</td><td>DEBRA: Ok.</td></tr>
<tr><td>581</td><td></td><td>569</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">582</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: I wanna<span class="difference">—</span> wanna continue looking at this<span class="difference">—</span>but um<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">570</td><td>BLAKE: I wanna<span class="difference"> ...</span> wanna continue looking at this<span class="difference">, </span>but um<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>583</td><td></td><td>571</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">584</td><td>DEBRA: Ok. It<span class="difference">’</span>s very serious. It is a very serious situation. And we<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">572</td><td>DEBRA: Ok. It<span class="difference"> i</span>s very serious. It is a very serious situation. And we<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>585</td><td></td><td>573</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">586</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: [interrupts] Well<span class="difference">—</span>I think you guys are making this more serious tha<span class="difference">n i</span>t is<span class="difference">—</span>but<span class="difference">—</span> um<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">574</td><td>BLAKE: [interrupts] Well<span class="difference">, </span>I think you guys are making this more serious that is<span class="difference">, </span>but um<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>587</td><td></td><td>575</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">588</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: [surprised] Wha<span class="difference">!</span>?</td><td class="has_difference">576</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: [surprised] Wha<span class="difference">t</span>?</td></tr>
<tr><td>589</td><td></td><td>577</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">590</td><td>DEBRA: Well<span class="difference">—if that was—</span>look at it from this point of view<span class="difference">—</span>if that was your father being accused of sewing somebody in a dead corpse<span class="difference">—</span> and raping somebody as a child<span class="difference">—it w</span>ould be very serious<span class="difference">.</span> You know<span class="difference">—</span>this is somebody<span class="difference">’</span>s <span class="difference">parent— </span>and this is<span class="difference"> a</span> human being<span class="difference">—</span> and nothing is <span class="difference">corresponding at all—</span>even physical<span class="difference">ly</span> impossible, cu<span class="difference">z</span> we actually checked with coroners and people who work with dead bodies and<span class="difference">--</span></td><td class="has_difference">578</td><td>DEBRA: Well<span class="difference"> </span>look at it from this point of view<span class="difference">, </span>if that was your father being accused of sewing somebody in a dead corpse and raping somebody as a child<span class="difference">, sh</span>ould be very serious<span class="difference">, right?</span> You know<span class="difference">, </span>this is somebody<span class="difference">'</span>s <span class="difference">husb</span>and<span class="difference"> and</span> this is human being<span class="difference">,</span> and nothing <span class="difference">adds up whatsoever, some of it </span>is even physical impossible, <span class="difference">be</span>c<span class="difference">a</span>u<span class="difference">se</span> we actually checked with coroners and people who work with dead bodies and<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>591</td><td></td><td>579</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">592</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: [interrupts] This man is married<span class="difference">. This man</span> has been <span class="difference">married </span>for 35 years, and his wife<span class="difference"> is</span> implicated in this crime.</td><td class="has_difference">580</td><td><span class="difference">JOH</span>N: [interrupts] This man is married<span class="difference">,</span> has been for 35 years, and his wife implicated in this crime.</td></tr>
<tr><td>593</td><td></td><td>581</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">594</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: <span class="difference">K—</span>guys don<span class="difference">’</span>t try to<span class="difference">—</span> uh<span class="difference">—</span>protect this guy right now<span class="difference">—</span>um<span class="difference">—</span>ok<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">582</td><td>BLAKE: <span class="difference">Ok </span>guys don<span class="difference">'</span>t try to uh<span class="difference"> ... </span>protect this guy right now<span class="difference"> </span>um<span class="difference"> ... </span>ok<span class="difference">... I...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>595</td><td></td><td>583</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">596</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: <span class="difference">Well lemme—</span>Blake <span class="difference">Blake—</span>I<span class="difference">’</span>m sorry<span class="difference">—</span> look<span class="difference">—</span>I know that we<span class="difference">’</span>re sort<span class="difference">a</span> putting you on the defensive here<span class="difference">—</span> but my original goal with you was to find out from you<span class="difference">—</span>if we said anything wrong in our letter<span class="difference">— if we— y</span>ou said there were some errors in there. I don<span class="difference">’</span>t want<span class="difference"> to</span> argue with you I actually want to give you a chance to say your perspective an<span class="difference">d—h</span>ear where we may have made a mistake<span class="difference">—</span>or where we may have gotten the facts wrong<span class="difference">—s</span>o<span class="difference">—</span>if we<span class="difference">’</span>ve said or done something wrong<span class="difference">—</span>I would really appreciate your corrections.</td><td class="has_difference">584</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Blake I<span class="difference">'</span>m sorry<span class="difference">,</span> look<span class="difference">, </span>I know that we<span class="difference">'</span>re sort<span class="difference"> of</span> putting you on the defensive here<span class="difference">,</span> but my original goal with you was to find out from you<span class="difference"> </span>if we said anything wrong in our letter<span class="difference">. Y</span>ou said there were some errors in there. I don<span class="difference">'</span>t want argue with you<span class="difference">,</span> I actually want to give you a chance to say your perspective an<span class="difference"> </span>ear where we may have made a mistake<span class="difference">, </span>or where we may have gotten the facts wrong<span class="difference">. S</span>o<span class="difference"> </span>if we<span class="difference">'</span>ve said or done something wrong<span class="difference">, </span>I would really appreciate your corrections.</td></tr>
<tr><td>597</td><td></td><td>585</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">598</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: <span class="difference">K</span>. And the fact that you guys are not planning to release his name<span class="difference">—</span>is the reason why I<span class="difference">’</span>m gonna be continuing with you guys. I<span class="difference">’</span>m not gonna go right now<span class="difference">—uh—</span>give me a couple more days<span class="difference">—uh—</span></td><td class="has_difference">586</td><td>BLAKE: <span class="difference">Ok</span>. And the fact that you guys are not planning to release his name<span class="difference"> </span>is the reason why I<span class="difference">'</span>m gonna be continuing with you guys. I<span class="difference">'</span>m not gonna go right now<span class="difference"> ... </span>give me a couple more days<span class="difference">...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>599</td><td></td><td>587</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>600</td><td>DEBRA: Sure.</td><td>588</td><td>DEBRA: Sure.</td></tr>
<tr><td>601</td><td></td><td>589</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">602</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: And<span class="difference">—</span>um<span class="difference">—</span>and we<span class="difference">’</span>ll stay in touch<span class="difference">…</span> So<span class="difference">—</span>Debbie<span class="difference">—</span>before we get off um<span class="difference">—s</span>o what cult<span class="difference">—what cult</span> were you in?</td><td class="has_difference">590</td><td>BLAKE: And<span class="difference"> </span>um<span class="difference"> ... </span>and we<span class="difference">'</span>ll stay in touch<span class="difference"> ...</span> So<span class="difference"> </span>Debbie<span class="difference"> </span>before we get off um<span class="difference"> </span>o what cult were you in?</td></tr>
<tr><td>603</td><td></td><td>591</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>604</td><td>DEBRA: What cult was I in?</td><td>592</td><td>DEBRA: What cult was I in?</td></tr>
<tr><td>605</td><td></td><td>593</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">606</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Yeah.</td><td class="has_difference">594</td><td>BLAKE: Yeah.</td></tr>
<tr><td>607</td><td></td><td>595</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">608</td><td>DEBRA: I was in Jesus People USA in Chicago between the ages of 14 and 1<span class="difference">6. T</span>hen I was into the occult, and I was initiated in Voodoo<span class="difference">—</span> and <span class="difference">I </span>was actually initiated <span class="difference">in H</span>a<span class="difference">iti as a—</span> Voodoo priest<span class="difference">—</span>and was in Voodoo for quite a few years. A<span class="difference">n</span>d<span class="difference"> then</span> I floated into <span class="difference">E</span>astern spirituality and was under a <span class="difference">sat</span>guru<span class="difference">—</span>Swami Sa<span class="difference">t</span>ch<span class="difference">y</span>anand<span class="difference">—a</span>nd studied<span class="difference">— v</span>edic philosophy for a while. So I<span class="difference"> was</span> constantly <span class="difference">k</span>in<span class="difference">d of in</span> a circular way in my beliefs<span class="difference">—and pretty much my str</span>o<span class="difference">ngest points </span>w<span class="difference">ould probably be the occult but</span> I<span class="difference"> actually was in a cult called, Jesus People USA—and I</span> work a lot with recovery people<span class="difference">—</span>and<span class="difference"> I work a lot</span> with cult interventionists, <span class="difference">and cult </span>researchers<span class="difference">,</span> and journalists<span class="difference">—and that sort of— crowd of people</span>.</td><td class="has_difference">596</td><td>DEBRA: I was in Jesus People USA in Chicago between the ages of 14 and 1<span class="difference"> </span>hen I was into the occult, and I was initiated in Voodoo and was actually initiated a Voodoo priest<span class="difference">ess </span>and was in Voodoo for quite a few years. A<span class="difference">fterwar</span>d<span class="difference">s</span> I floated into <span class="difference">e</span>astern spirituality and was under a guru<span class="difference"> called </span>Swami Sach<span class="difference">hid</span>anand<span class="difference"> from I</span>nd<span class="difference">or, India as I</span> studied<span class="difference"> V</span>edic philosophy for a while. So I constantly <span class="difference">was </span>in a circular <span class="difference">kind of </span>way in my beliefs<span class="difference">. N</span>ow I work a lot with recovery people<span class="difference"> </span>and with cult interventionists, researchers and journalists.</td></tr>
<tr><td>609</td><td></td><td>597</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">610</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Alright. Well<span class="difference">—</span>I mean<span class="difference">—</span>the last thing we are doing here is trying to start a cult. We don<span class="difference">’</span>t want anything to do with that<span class="difference">—</span>uh<span class="difference">—</span>we<span class="difference">—</span> constantly tell people to believe themselves, check their own information, decide for themselves. We lived in a spiritual community for a couple weeks. We decided that eight people in one house is just too much. I mean it was two weeks that Cameron even lived here. And<span class="difference">—</span>you <span class="difference">k</span>now<span class="difference">—</span> everybody was<span class="difference">—</span> basically going to Teal for advice, and it was just <span class="difference">it’s </span>too much <span class="difference">on </span>one person to do that<span class="difference">—</span>so<span class="difference">—</span>it<span class="difference">’</span>s<span class="difference">— and</span> even<span class="difference">—even</span> an intentional community in the future<span class="difference">—</span>it<span class="difference">’</span>s not gonna be like<span class="difference">—</span>you know<span class="difference">—</span>she doesn<span class="difference">’</span>t seek to<span class="difference">—</span>she<span class="difference">’</span>s not seeking to be<span class="difference">—</span> like that<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">598</td><td>BLAKE: Alright. Well<span class="difference">, </span>I mean<span class="difference">, </span>the last thing we are doing here is trying to start a cult. We don<span class="difference">'</span>t want anything to do with that<span class="difference"> </span>uh<span class="difference"> ... </span>we constantly tell people to believe<span class="difference"> in</span> themselves, check their own information, decide for themselves. We lived in a spiritual community for a couple weeks. We decided that eight people in one house is just too much. I mean it was two weeks that Cameron even lived here. And<span class="difference">, </span>you now<span class="difference">,</span> everybody was basically going to Teal for advice, and it was just too much one person to do that<span class="difference"> </span>so<span class="difference"> </span>it<span class="difference">'</span>s<span class="difference"> ...</span> even an intentional community in the future<span class="difference"> ... </span>it<span class="difference">'</span>s not gonna be like<span class="difference">, </span>you know<span class="difference">, </span>she doesn<span class="difference">'</span>t seek to<span class="difference"> ... </span>she<span class="difference">'</span>s not seeking to be like that<span class="difference">.</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>611</td><td></td><td>599</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">612</td><td>DEBRA: She<span class="difference">’</span>s seeking more to be<span class="difference">—she’s seeking more to be</span> global<span class="difference">—</span>like a global leader<span class="difference">—</span>not a cult<span class="difference"> </span>type<span class="difference"> of</span> leader. Yeah<span class="difference">.</span> I understand what you<span class="difference">’</span>re saying. I understand. She kept coming up to us<span class="difference">—t</span>he name was coming up to us nonstop. Like I said<span class="difference">—</span>I knew nothing about Teal Swan at all<span class="difference">--</span> because I<span class="difference">’</span>m a little bit old school<span class="difference">—</span> and I<span class="difference">’</span>m more into the occult background. So the newer teachers<span class="difference">—</span>I<span class="difference">’</span>m not that attentive towards. <span class="difference">And</span> she was coming up constantly and that<span class="difference">’</span>s when we decided ok<span class="difference">—</span> let<span class="difference">’</span>s see what<span class="difference">’</span>s going on and<span class="difference">—</span>you know<span class="difference">—</span>we did it really with<span class="difference"> </span>a clean slate<span class="difference">—</span>not knowing who she was or<span class="difference">—without any bias. And</span> what Jessica <span class="difference">[</span>Schab<span class="difference">]</span> had said to us<span class="difference">—</span>we just took it a<span class="difference">s a</span> grain of salt<span class="difference">—</span>and extracted what we felt was<span class="difference">—</span>sound<span class="difference">—</span>and her personal opinion<span class="difference">—we just left</span> at the door.</td><td class="has_difference">600</td><td>DEBRA: She<span class="difference">'</span>s seeking more to be global<span class="difference">, </span>like a global leader<span class="difference">, </span>not a cult<span class="difference">-</span>type leader. Yeah<span class="difference">,</span> I understand what you<span class="difference">'</span>re saying. I understand. She kept coming up to us<span class="difference">, </span>he<span class="difference">r</span> name was coming up to us nonstop. Like I said<span class="difference">, </span>I knew nothing about Teal Swan at all because I<span class="difference">'</span>m a little bit old school and I<span class="difference">'</span>m more into the occult background. So the newer teachers<span class="difference"> </span>I<span class="difference">'</span>m not that attentive towards. <span class="difference">Yet</span> she was coming up constantly and that<span class="difference">'</span>s when we decided ok<span class="difference">,</span> let<span class="difference">'</span>s see what<span class="difference">'</span>s going on and<span class="difference"> </span>you know<span class="difference">, </span>we did it really with<span class="difference">out bi</span>a<span class="difference">s and with a</span> clean slate<span class="difference">, </span>not knowing who she was or what<span class="difference"> she was about. And what</span> Jessica Schab had said to us<span class="difference">, </span>we just took <span class="difference">w</span>it<span class="difference">h</span> a grain of salt<span class="difference"> </span>and extracted what we felt was<span class="difference"> </span>sound<span class="difference"> </span>and <span class="difference">left </span>her personal opinion at the door.</td></tr>
<tr><td>613</td><td></td><td>601</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">614</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: <span class="difference">K— a</span>lright well uh<span class="difference">— …</span></td><td class="has_difference">602</td><td>BLAKE: <span class="difference">Ok. A</span>lright<span class="difference">,</span> well uh<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>615</td><td></td><td>603</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">616</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>:<span class="difference"> …</span> We could just do everything by email<span class="difference">—</span>that might be easiest.<span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference">604</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: We could just do everything by email<span class="difference">, </span>that might be<span class="difference"> the</span> easiest.</td></tr>
<tr><td>617</td><td></td><td>605</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">618</td><td>DEBRA: Yeah<span class="difference">—</span>it might be easiest. Plus<span class="difference">—</span> you have time to think what you wan<span class="difference">na</span> say. Sometimes when you talk<span class="difference">—</span>and<span class="difference"> there’s</span> emotions coming in<span class="difference">—</span>you know<span class="difference">—</span>and the<span class="difference">n</span> you hang up and say<span class="difference">, “</span>Oh, I shouldn<span class="difference">’</span>t a said that.<span class="difference">”</span> When you email<span class="difference">—</span>you have <span class="difference">ti</span>me to think<span class="difference">—</span>go over what you wan<span class="difference">na</span> say<span class="difference">—</span>format it<span class="difference">—</span>so that might b<span class="difference">e</span> more of an advantage<span class="difference">—</span> for you<span class="difference">—</span>if you wan<span class="difference">na</span> do it that way.</td><td class="has_difference">606</td><td>DEBRA: Yeah<span class="difference">, </span>it might be easiest. Plus you have time to think what you wan<span class="difference">t</span> say. Sometimes when you talk<span class="difference"> </span>and emotions <span class="difference">are </span>coming in<span class="difference">, </span>you know<span class="difference"> </span>and the you hang up and say<span class="difference">: "</span>Oh, I shouldn<span class="difference">'</span>t <span class="difference">h</span>a<span class="difference">ve</span> said that.<span class="difference">"</span> When you email<span class="difference">, </span>you have me to think<span class="difference"> and </span>go over what you <span class="difference">really </span>wan<span class="difference">t to</span> say<span class="difference"> and </span>format it<span class="difference">, </span>so that might b more of an advantage for you<span class="difference">, </span>if you wan<span class="difference">t to</span> do it that way.</td></tr>
<tr><td>619</td><td></td><td>607</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">620</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: [barely audible] Yeah<span class="difference">—</span>I<span class="difference">’</span>m<span class="difference">— I’m</span> comfortable with that.</td><td class="has_difference">608</td><td>BLAKE: [barely audible] Yeah<span class="difference">, </span>I<span class="difference">'</span>m comfortable with that.</td></tr>
<tr><td>621</td><td></td><td>609</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">622</td><td>DEBRA: Yeah<span class="difference">—</span>because you know how it is when you talk and you get nervous <span class="difference">o</span>r<span class="difference"> y</span>ou<span class="difference"> ge</span>t<span class="difference">—you know—you might say</span> something<span class="difference">—</span>blurt something <span class="difference">that can be taken outta context. So—journal</span>is<span class="difference">tically speaking—we do a lot of emailing in correspondence with people, because then also it’s a fact check— because if something is</span> referred<span class="difference">—</span>and you have the original email<span class="difference">—</span>you <span class="difference">know—you </span>can always say<span class="difference">, “</span>No, I didn<span class="difference">’</span>t say that<span class="difference">—</span>I said this<span class="difference">—</span>and <span class="difference">this is</span> the email.<span class="difference">”</span> So<span class="difference">—</span> it actually <span class="difference">good </span>f<span class="difference">or you</span> in terms of verifying.</td><td class="has_difference">610</td><td>DEBRA: Yeah<span class="difference">, </span>because you know how it is when you talk and you get nervous <span class="difference">and blu</span>r<span class="difference">t </span>out something<span class="difference"> that can </span>b<span class="difference">e taken out of context. So we do a </span>l<span class="difference">ot of emailing and comm</span>u<span class="difference">nicating with people, because then the</span>r<span class="difference">e also is a fac</span>t<span class="difference"> check, because</span> something is referred<span class="difference"> to </span>and you have the original email<span class="difference">, then </span>you can always say<span class="difference"> "</span>No, I did<span class="difference"> </span>n<span class="difference">o</span>t say that<span class="difference">, </span>I said this<span class="difference"> </span>and <span class="difference">reproduce</span> the email.<span class="difference">"</span> So it<span class="difference"> is</span> actually <span class="difference">very e</span>f<span class="difference">ficient</span> in terms of verifying.</td></tr>
<tr><td>623</td><td></td><td>611</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">624</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>:<span class="difference"> …</span> So does that sound like a good plan? It would also go much faster<span class="difference">,</span> and we wouldn<span class="difference">’</span>t have to worry about deadlines<span class="difference">—</span>and traveling<span class="difference">—</span>and whatnot. So is that ok for you Blake<span class="difference">—</span>to just correspond by email?</td><td class="has_difference">612</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: So does that sound like a good plan? It would also go much faster and we wouldn<span class="difference">'</span>t have to worry about deadlines<span class="difference"> </span>and traveling<span class="difference"> </span>and whatnot. So is that ok for you<span class="difference">,</span> Blake<span class="difference">, </span>to just correspond by email?</td></tr>
<tr><td>625</td><td></td><td>613</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">626</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Yeah, if we go through email<span class="difference">—y</span>eah<span class="difference">—</span>ok that<span class="difference">’</span>s fine I mean<span class="difference">—</span>I<span class="difference">’</span>m<span class="difference">—</span>extremely busy.</td><td class="has_difference">614</td><td>BLAKE: Yeah, if we go through email<span class="difference">. Y</span>eah<span class="difference">, </span>ok<span class="difference">,</span> that<span class="difference">'</span>s fine I mean<span class="difference"> ... </span>I<span class="difference">'</span>m<span class="difference"> </span>extremely busy<span class="difference"> ..</span>.</td></tr>
<tr><td>627</td><td></td><td>615</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">628</td><td>DEBRA: [interrupts] <span class="difference">I was more concerned… </span>Any email to us<span class="difference">—</span>you can publish as well and<span class="difference">—</span>quote from<span class="difference">—</span>you know we both have a clear record of what we<span class="difference">’</span>re saying back and forth<span class="difference">— </span>and there can be no <span class="difference">um—</span>smudging or hinting or<span class="difference">—</span>a<span class="difference">nd jus</span>t<span class="difference">—</span> you know<span class="difference">—</span> people misinterpret things. We don<span class="difference">’</span>t know each other<span class="difference">,</span> and it<span class="difference">’</span>s easy to take something and say, <span class="difference">“</span>Oh, I think he meant that.<span class="difference">”</span> And you didn<span class="difference">’</span>t.<span class="difference"> So—it’s um—</span></td><td class="has_difference">616</td><td>DEBRA: [interrupts] Any email to us<span class="difference"> </span>you can publish as well and<span class="difference"> </span>quote from<span class="difference">, so </span>you know we both have a clear record of what we<span class="difference">'</span>re saying back and forth<span class="difference"> </span>and there can be no smudging or hinting or<span class="difference"> wh</span>at<span class="difference">ever,</span> you know<span class="difference"> how</span> people misinterpret things. We don<span class="difference">'</span>t know each other and it<span class="difference"> i</span>s easy to take something and say, <span class="difference">"</span>Oh, I think he meant that.<span class="difference">"</span> And you didn<span class="difference">'</span>t.</td></tr>
<tr><td>629</td><td></td><td>617</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">630</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Right and<span class="difference">—</span>you know and that<span class="difference">’</span>s<span class="difference">—</span>I thought that<span class="difference">’</span>s where you guys were coming from I mean when I spoke to <span class="difference">John</span> last week. I was like<span class="difference">—</span>you know<span class="difference">—</span>if you have something in your mind<span class="difference"> about—</span> already about who Teal is<span class="difference">—</span>or what is going on<span class="difference">—</span>then you<span class="difference">’</span>ve already made it up<span class="difference">—</span>and what am I gonna say<span class="difference">—</span>that<span class="difference">’</span>s gonna<span class="difference">?</span> I<span class="difference">’</span>m uh<span class="difference">—</span>we<span class="difference">’</span>re afraid that you<span class="difference">’</span>re just gonna be using whatever we say against us.</td><td class="has_difference">618</td><td>BLAKE: Right and<span class="difference">, </span>you know<span class="difference">,</span> and that<span class="difference">'</span>s<span class="difference"> ... </span>I thought that<span class="difference">'</span>s where you guys were coming from<span class="difference">,</span> I mean when I spoke to <span class="difference">Sara</span> last week. I was like<span class="difference">, </span>you know<span class="difference">, </span>if you have something in your mind already about who Teal is<span class="difference"> </span>or what is going on<span class="difference">, </span>then you<span class="difference">'</span>ve already made it up<span class="difference">, </span>and what am I gonna say<span class="difference"> </span>that<span class="difference">'</span>s gonna<span class="difference"> ...</span> I<span class="difference">'</span>m uh<span class="difference"> ... </span>we<span class="difference">'</span>re afraid that you<span class="difference">'</span>re just gonna be using whatever we say against us.</td></tr>
<tr><td>631</td><td></td><td>619</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">632</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: Well<span class="difference">—</span>as I said<span class="difference">—</span>we<span class="difference">’</span>re just gon<span class="difference">na</span> print whatever you say verbatim<span class="difference">,</span> and let the reader make up their mind for themselves. And I<span class="difference">’m gonna</span> try to keep an open mind as well<span class="difference">—</span>and I<span class="difference">—I’</span>m sure that Debra and <span class="difference">Sara</span> will do the best that they can too. So<span class="difference">—</span>we just wan<span class="difference">na</span> hear your side of the story.<span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference">620</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: Well<span class="difference">, </span>as I said<span class="difference">, </span>we<span class="difference">'</span>re just go<span class="difference">i</span>n<span class="difference">g to</span> print whatever you say verbatim and let the reader<span class="difference">s</span> make up their mind<span class="difference">s</span> for themselves. And I<span class="difference"> will</span> try to keep an open mind as well<span class="difference">, </span>and I<span class="difference"> a</span>m sure that Debra and <span class="difference">John</span> will do the best that they can too. So<span class="difference"> </span>we just wan<span class="difference">t to</span> hear your side of the story.</td></tr>
<tr><td>633</td><td></td><td>621</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">634</td><td>DEBRA: We have to. We <span class="difference">have </span>t<span class="difference">o—</span>report things as they are. <span class="difference">So—w</span>e have to present that to the public. And you know we could have not even reached out to you and<span class="difference">— um—</span>Miss Swan, but we felt like we had to out of fairness. <span class="difference">You know we can’t call ourselves Ethics and the Modern Guru—and then you know we don’t have—we don’t uphold—getting the other side of the story at all. </span>So<span class="difference">—</span>would there be any chance in the future that Teal would do an interview?</td><td class="has_difference">622</td><td>DEBRA: We have to. We <span class="difference">mus</span>t<span class="difference"> </span>report things as they are. <span class="difference">W</span>e have to present that to the public. And you know we could have not even reached out to you and<span class="difference"> </span>Miss Swan, but we felt like we had to out of fairness. So<span class="difference"> </span>would there be any chance in the future that Teal would do an interview?</td></tr>
<tr><td>635</td><td></td><td>623</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">636</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: If this goes well<span class="difference">—</span>yes.<span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference">624</td><td>BLAKE: If this goes well<span class="difference">, </span>yes.</td></tr>
<tr><td>637</td><td></td><td>625</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">638</td><td>DEBRA: <span class="difference">Mm-</span>k. I<span class="difference"> know this is—I’</span>m just throwing that out there<span class="difference">. S0—</span>I<span class="difference">’</span>m not having any expectations towards it. But <span class="difference">u</span>m<span class="difference">—I’m</span> sure<span class="difference">—</span></td><td class="has_difference">626</td><td>DEBRA: <span class="difference">O</span>k. I<span class="difference">'</span>m just throwing that out there<span class="difference">, so </span>I<span class="difference">'</span>m not having any expectations towards it. But <span class="difference">I'</span>m sure<span class="difference"> ...</span></td></tr>
<tr><td>639</td><td></td><td>627</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">640</td><td><span class="difference">BLAKE DYER: Yeah— I mean— yeah— I mean--yeah—if—if uh—we continue to see a— uh—balanced look at—at the facts then—then yeah—that is a possibility. </span></td><td class="has_difference">628</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN: [interjects] We're doing you a favor. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td>641</td><td></td><td>629</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">642</td><td><span class="difference">DEBRA: Ok. That’s good. But like I said—we’re not hoping for it. We’re just trying to throw it out there—and see— </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">643</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">644</td><td><span class="difference">BLAKE DYER: Well um—well I’ll— </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">645</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">646</td><td><span class="difference">SARA: [interjects] We’re doing you a favor. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">647</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">648</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: I<span class="difference">’</span>ll keep in contact as much as I can.</td><td class="has_difference">630</td><td>BLAKE: I<span class="difference">'</span>ll keep in contact as much as I can.</td></tr>
<tr><td>649</td><td></td><td>631</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>650</td><td>DEBRA: Ok.</td><td>632</td><td>DEBRA: Ok.</td></tr>
<tr><td>651</td><td></td><td>633</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">652</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: <span class="difference">Um and um—</span>I can see us<span class="difference">—</span> uh<span class="difference">—</span>maybe completing this in <span class="difference">a—</span>probably in the<span class="difference">—</span> maybe a couple weeks<span class="difference">’</span> time.</td><td class="has_difference">634</td><td>BLAKE: I can see us uh<span class="difference">, </span>maybe completing this in <span class="difference">... </span>probably in the<span class="difference"> ...</span> maybe a couple weeks<span class="difference">'</span> time.</td></tr>
<tr><td>653</td><td></td><td>635</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">654</td><td><span class="difference">DEBRA: Ok, that’s fine—cuz that’s what we kinda need… </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>655</td><td></td><td>636</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">656</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN</span>: So Blake<span class="difference">—</span>do you wan<span class="difference">na</span> start by just sending us an email showing us what<span class="difference">’</span>s wrong with the letter <span class="difference">that uh—</span>we sent to Teal<span class="difference">’</span>s parents? Is that a good place to start the conversation?</td><td class="has_difference">637</td><td><span class="difference">SARA</span>: So Blake<span class="difference">, </span>do you wan<span class="difference">t to</span> start by just sending us an email<span class="difference">,</span> showing us what<span class="difference">'</span>s wrong with the letter we sent to Teal<span class="difference">'</span>s parents? Is that a good place to start the conversation?</td></tr>
<tr><td>657</td><td></td><td>638</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">658</td><td>BLAKE<span class="difference"> DYER</span>: Sure<span class="difference">--</span>I suppose so. Then also if you guys wanna send me any questions.</td><td class="has_difference">639</td><td>BLAKE: Sure<span class="difference">, </span>I suppose so. Then<span class="difference">,</span> also<span class="difference">,</span> if you guys wanna send me any questions.</td></tr>
<tr><td>659</td><td></td><td>640</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">660</td><td><span class="difference">JOHN: Ok. Great. </span></td><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td>661</td><td></td><td>641</td><td></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference">662</td><td>DEBRA: Ok. That<span class="difference">’</span>s good<span class="difference">…</span></td><td class="has_difference">642</td><td>DEBRA: Ok. That<span class="difference">'</span>s good<span class="difference">. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">643</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">644</td><td><span class="difference">"Ethics and the Modern Guru' made multiple attempts to get a statement from Teal Swan and Blake Dyer for this issue. We invited them to respond to a letter sent to Teal's parents which Dyer claimed was full of errors. He expressed reluctance to provide a statement but ultimately agreed. After two and a half weeks negotiations completely broke down. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">645</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">646</td><td><span class="difference">Dyer was apprised repeatedly that the deadline was approaching and thus that a response was needed, if they wished it to be included in the magazine. At the eleventh hour, he emailed us, offering a response from Teal, if we would provide questions. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">647</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">648</td><td><span class="difference">Dyer still had not delivered a response, to the letter to Teal's parents, by the deadline to which he had agreed. We promptly emailed questions for both of them and reminded him that we still needed a response to the letter. Teal and Blake returned partial answers, and addressed only one element of the letter to Teal's parents. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">649</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">650</td><td><span class="difference">Their emailed responses to our questions included a number of assertions that could not be verified at press time. </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">651</td><td><span class="difference"> </span></td></tr>
<tr><td class="has_difference"></td><td></td><td class="has_difference">652</td><td><span class="difference">They provided no formal statement. Dyer also refused to have any of their answers to our questions published without their final approval of the finished text. We advised them that none of our interview subjects have this kind of editorial control or approval over the publication, therefore, their provision could not be met. At press time, we have no agreement from them and no official statement. We will continue to seek clarity from them and a statement addressing these questions. An addendum will follow on our website.... </span></td></tr>
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<b>Note:</b><i> Given my work schedule, I find that I don't have time to field comments. If you would like to comment on this topic, a continued discussion is welcome in the comment section of <a href="http://http://www.celestialhealing.com/2015/11/the-mormon-satanist-speaks.html">this blog post.</a> </i>Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03507442518292568083noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-945235709424657370.post-16072270845232182212015-10-07T20:15:00.000-07:002016-07-04T11:18:34.280-07:00The Truth About Teal Swan<b><br /></b>
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<b>NOTE: This interview between Jessica Schab and myself regarding my experience living with Teal Swan took place in August of 2014. To serve the greater good of understanding and public interest, the transcript is being shared below.</b><br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I used to live with Teal Swan, and I just wanted to say kudos to you for being willing to point out the potential dangers and pitfalls of blindly following toxic cult leaders and new age con-artists such as Teal.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
You seem to be one of the few who have lived with her and have been able to see this without feeling the need to protect and defend her. So kudos to you as well! Care to share your story on how you came to this conclusion? If not, no worries.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes, I would be willing to share my experience and conclusions with you. I have been hesitant to speak out publicly for a number of reasons, but I believe I've finally gained enough clarity and perspective on my journey now to put it to words, and I truly appreciate what you are doing. I'll send you my take on all things concerning Teal Swan soon.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Thank you. I appreciate your being able to come out of the closet. I know so many who feel the same as you, but are unable to go public about it for some reason. I think it is very important for many reasons. Mainly, so what happens to you does not happen to others. It’s also to get the followers to snap out of it. Especially the ones that make their kids watch Teal. Ugh. We just want people to take their minds back from this new age BS and all the beliefs and ideologies out there. We use as many examples as we can, and Teal is a huge one at this time. Take your time, and send it to me when you're ready. I would be most curious to hear about your headspace before getting into Teal stuff, and your head space while in it. Maybe you sensed it was a scam, but you were in such need for help that you overlooked it only to find out later when you could not ignore it anymore? It’s important for people to understand why they get involved or care about this stuff to begin with. I’m also curious why you have felt compelled to stay in the closet about this for so long. I’m guessing because Tealers can be nasty to anyone who is not pro-Teal. But they do not scare me.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Ok, I appreciate you narrowing things down to your areas of interest. It’s a very long story. I have been trying to organize some of my thoughts, and it's difficult to know where to start. So thank you.<br />
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As I sit here, there are a myriad of reasons why I haven't wanted to say anything until now, but none of them have to do with defending Teal. A lot of it boiled down to fear, yes. But, I was actually going through quite an introspective healing and deprogramming process this past year.<br />
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I have my own suspicions that Teal may be part of a larger agenda than anyone else is willing to publicly acknowledge at this juncture. I was approached by some people during Teal’s New York workshop right before I fled from Utah. These people proffered some pretty shocking arguments suggesting that Teal may be an illuminati pawn involved in promoting some new world order agenda in the new age arena aimed at moving people towards a one world religion. They planted a seed, and when I got back from New York, I didn’t know what to believe, or exactly how far Teal's reach might be. Some things I witnessed while I was in her sphere made me fear for my safety. I was exploited once by Teal, and I am hesitant to be exploited by anyone else in the spiritual community who has an agenda that I am not aware of.<br />
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That being said, I have had soul retrieval work done with two shaman and a well known psychic in the professional spiritual community who claimed to know exactly what Teal is all about, and yet they have never publicly said anything. Why is that?<br />
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For example, I can share a clip from a personal reading I had done with radio show host and psychic from the In5D community, Helaine Lipson. She actually started talking about Teal during my personal reading after I had left Utah. Mind you, I did not mention Teal, nor did I necessarily want to know anything about her during my reading. When I asked Helaine why she even mentioned her name, she said, <i>"Well, it's your reading, so you’re open."</i><br />
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<a href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3CmtjgiYCd7aHB6WHNkaENIY2s/view?usp=sharing">Here</a> is some of what she had to say--- transcribed from my mp3 recorded reading with Helaine.<br />
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<i><span style="color: #0c343d;">The person Teal Scott, is not really Teal Scott. And that’s not even the spirit of Teal Scott. That is dark, leviathan entities that are basically prostituting the body of Teal Scott, and working through her... So, she’s not bad, but she is--- I guess you’d say, possessed.</span></i></blockquote>
I had never heard the word "leviathan" before talking to Helaine. After I googled it, I understood it to mean Satanic, Luciferian, or reptilian. It all basically means the same thing to me. In any case, it was energies I didn't understand and did not want to play with anymore. I also, at the time, did not want a connection to anyone who was knowingly promoting this type of energy. I didn't know who I could even talk to about this stuff.<br />
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I didn't mean to go off on a tangent there. I am drafting out what I intend to send you elsewhere. I promise if you give me some time, I will send you something coherent along the lines you mentioned above. Writing this stuff out is honestly very therapeutic for me. Since it has been so long, and I thought I had already processed most of this, I do want to take some time to be sure what I write comes from a centered space. I feel like healing comes in layers. Some of us move faster than others. So, thank you for your patience and your inspiration to do something like this.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
There was a video on youtube called <i>Teal Scott Creeps Me Out</i>, which indicates that she has connections with the elites. I am not ruling that out, and I would not be surprised. As for being possessed by evil; it’s not in the way we think. She is possessed by ideas of fame, fortune, being great, and such. Although, this does make her into a scam artist, and twisted, and yes, invite all kinds of beings that we can consider to be evil. But they are mostly predators that feed on the energy of insecurity. I do not believe her story at all. If it’s true she would be severely mentally disabled and want to catch these people that had done it. She would not want to get fame for it, while letting them get away with it. Nor would they let her live to be a public figure either. What bothers me, is this story and invented past keeps her safe from anyone questioning her, because they all feel bad for her. It’s like her ace card she plays when she needs to. It makes me sick. And yes it is therapeutic to share. You're welcome to share whatever you like with me, just so you have some outing of release to feel ok to do it. I will only share the parts you want me to if you like. And yes, you have the time to get to it when you can. No problem.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I understand all too well the enabling effect these sycophant followers have on someone who is as delusional and mentally unstable as Teal. I witnessed a very real seeming seizure while I was living with her, along with many other award winning, mentally disturbed performances. It was a traumatic thing for myself to witness at the time, and the idea that someone could be faking something like that never even entered into my realm of possibility, until now. I now see how she was using this to manipulate the small group of us who were living with her. It certainly had the effect on me of taking her stories at face value at the time. Now I have a very different perspective of course. I was also the target of her ire during several of her incredibly abusive and devaluing Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) tirades, for which there was always some sob story later to excuse her behavior. It always related back to some "trigger" from her childhood. During one of her most notable BPD episodes, she became so angry with me that she tried to convince me to commit suicide while the other members in our group sat around watching her. Thank god I've never been suicidal in my life.<br />
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I intimately understand how she uses her elaborate and gory stories of abuse and feigns vulnerability in order to manipulate and polarize her followers into protecting her. Teal won't ever let go of or transcend any "victim" status (real or imagined), because she is too busy wielding it like a weapon to suit her purposes. I do believe she suffered some abuse (most likely sexual in nature). But that’s only because it just seems so unlikely that a person could be that twisted without ever having suffered some very real trauma. However, it is entirely possible that she confabulated all the different stories she tells her followers in her mind (possibly in therapy) to cover up the truth of what actually went on with her. The macabre stories of abuse she tells (over and over) reinforce her delusions. These stories also serve the convenient purpose of garnering sympathy from her followers, who will then be willing to silence anyone who may question her teachings or story in the name of protecting her. I definitely understand how I was initially roped into her manipulative game of chess. Teal is many things, but top on my list, she is a very sick individual with the potential to do more harm than good on the path she is currently on.<br />
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It's definitely taken me a while to gain some clarity on this subject, and I went through quite an emotional and spiritual detox after my dealings with Teal and her "intentional community" (aka new-age alien cult) last year. It was a painful disillusionment process. I've since had to let go of a lot of judgement both of myself and Teal in order to understand that I was not a victim. It's taken almost a year of self-analysis and self-discovery to finally came to a place of understanding of why my soul chose to go through such a chaotic and confusing experience. I understand now, that I needed to learn to trust myself and my inner guidance. I also needed to learn that we don't come to this earth needing a guru to follow. I believe we come here to remember how to listen to ourselves to find the answers that we seek. I am grateful for the lessons hard earned, and I have come to understand that Teal was just playing the role at the soul level that I had asked her to play for me (albeit a dark one). I do not wish for others to get caught up in the distractions of her polarizing web during this critical time of ascension. I believe humanity is DONE learning through confusion, separation, and suffering. Those are old programs that have served for a very long time, but have now been completely played out. We are moving towards unity consciousness, and while Teal's teachings initially hooked me by including universal truths like "we are all one," I quickly realized she represents anything but ONENESS.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Well Cameron-- no, you are not a victim, but nor did you choose this either. Please do not fall into that new age trap that we all chose this experience, and pain because it’s bullshit. No person chooses to be raped or have their family killed or maimed. This is new age crap, so as to not be responsible or think. It’s a convenient answer that creates deeper psychological problems.<br />
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It’s not divine, and it’s not meant to be. That is garbage that must be thrown out of our head, if we really want to understand and end the abuse once and for all. Teal is not playing her role on a soul level, but as long as people believe that, then she continues to get away with what she is doing. She must not anymore, because then that means that people are not done with confusion. And I am sorry to say there is no shift or ascension. Its another new age hoax that makes a person wait and be exploited forever for something that will never ever come. Every time in history they said and believed, now is the time, and where are they now? No one has ever been enlightened, and no one ever will, because it’s a dirty trick. It’s not going to help us understand the pain and mess in the world, only prolong it. And no, you do not need to trust yourself or your inner guidance, because trust is a hoax also that is invented by people who are confused. Where is trust in the forest? Do you trust the trees? Do the trees trust you? No. When we trust, we always end up being betrayed, If we understand what trust actually is, then there is no need for trust or bonds.There is also no need for the opposite which is betrayal and such. I’m sorry, but as people get more interested in the new age and spirituality, they are not done with confusion at all. In fact, they are going more in that direction.<br />
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Hence, we have more violence, confusion, and suffering for many-- like what happened to you, but maybe worse. Look how many are following Teal and living with her now? Imagine them going through what you went through? AND defending it. That is confusion, and wanting more confusion.<br />
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So no, humanity is not done with it at all, unless they are willing to understand why they even bother to go or search there in the first place.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I need to snap out of these dangerously warped belief systems i've adopted since Teal. It's been difficult to sort through it all on my own. I really like the direction you are going here. I still clearly need to do more detoxing.<br />
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The only thing I have come to realize is that I still know absolutely nothing for sure about this holographic illusion that we're living in, but I am probably going to spend the rest of my life trying to figure it out.<br />
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I do want to ask you whether you believe our souls choose to experience anything? I do actually resonate with the idea that our souls are driving our experiences regardless of our waking thoughts. I believe our bodies are much like a car, and our soul is actually driving that car. I don't believe in most of the the basic LOA BS teachings that claim your thoughts create your realities. I do have faith in the divine order of things. While our conscious thoughts may only have less than 10 percent of an effect on our experience, I think the desire and intention for our soul to experience and expand in consciousness does play a part in our waking experience. Is this belief damaging in your opinion?<br />
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I think I grasp the idea that if we need trust, then it is only one side of the polarity coin. The other side of the coin being betrayal. So then as long as we value and chase/cling to trust, we are always going to experience the pendulum swinging the other way to betrayal? Are you saying that basically trust is just an exercise in polarity?<br />
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Eh. please disregard that last bit. I already know the answer. I find this New Age arena is fraught with peril. If I even need to ask whether a belief system is damaging, I need to disregard it and go the other way.<br />
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So, I had contact with Jared Michael Dobson this morning for the first time since I had left Teal's cult. He is the only member from Teal's circle who I have spoken to since I left. This was the first conversation I had with him in a year. He said he has spoken to you?<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yes, but he did not respond to my letter, because he wants to protect her still. He is still under her spell and still in the new age spell as well.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I wonder if that is what the strange timing is about. Right as I am about to speak up, I get a warning about you from him.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
What was the warning? I wrote him a casual letter about being a former spiritual speaker and such. Maybe he saw some of my other posts on Teal and freaked out.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
He said you are out to be famous just like Teal. He said that it sounds like I know what I’m doing, but he said everyone else he has spoken to in the new age community is fucked up and crazy. He has decided to go back to school and become a lawyer. So, I'm taking what he said with a grain of salt, mind you. He said there was a time he really wanted to figure out a way to help other people who got sucked into damaging abusive situations like he and I were with Teal, but he claims anything new age, “is a tar pit black hole of shit.” He said the more he thinks about it, the less he wants anything to do with the new age community. That’s why he took his article on cults and Teal down.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Hahah are you kidding me? I do not want to be famous at all. If I did, I would not be exposing Teal. I would be encouraging her instead, but this stuff is dangerous. I used to be very famous for being a new age speaker, but I do not want it. Right now, I am destroying my fame. So where did he get info like that? I also rarely make videos. From looking at his wall, he looks to be pretty messed up and crazy himself. A lawyer, wow, that’s just as bad. I am not new age at all. I am anti bs and stupidity. It’s not just in the new age, but religion, society, media, culture, values, etc.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes, I didn't get that impression from you. I had blocked him from Facebook when I left the house over a year ago, and haven't spoken to him in over a year. I don’t know what he has posted on his wall. We instant messaged on gmail this morning. I have an idea he is disturbed, and Teal did him absolutely no favors. It's the timing more than anything.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
And he has a responsibility to expose Teal not protect her. She was the one that manipulated him into being her boyfriend simply because he was the only one not into her. She could not stand that, so of course she had to tell him he was her soul mate, and they were meant to be with each other. So they got to together, she got him to raise her child, because she did not want to. She hated parenting, so she went to work on her fame and building her community, to help raise her kid too.Then when she was done with him, she publicly humiliates him, calls him a psychopath, and says he is trying to destroy her and such. Then she goes on to marry another guy after knowing him for weeks, who is said to be successful. Then she goes on to make videos on the topic of relationships. Meanwhile, Jared is trying to recover, but still protect her, and letting other guys have the same thing done to them by Teal. I have read lots of his posts. He says she is a liar, and a cutter, and is making a cult. He still says he loves her and wants her to be happy. So he is still manipulated by her in that he cannot see, it is not love. It never was. She puts pressure on guys to make her happy, give her gifts, and protect her. If they can't, she makes them feel like shit. But no one can protect her from her demented mind, as it turns on her more and more. That is why her bubble will burst in 2/3 years tops. And she will most likely be replaced by someone younger with a better marketing backer.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I don't know what kind of reach she has. I know exactly what she did to me, Jared and her son. I was there, and I bonded with that little boy myself. It's an awful environment. She is a nightmare. It was horrible. I just don't know what she is capable of psychically. If she has corded me, has help from leviathan entities, or elites, or whatever else, I didn't know whether it was a good idea to make myself a target. So I have been wrestling with these fears for the better part of a year.<br />
That has changed since then, and I agree with you on all points with Jared. I do think she fucked him up, and has an incredibly strange hold on him. Stockholm Syndrome comes to mind.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Well, whatever you want to share, you can stay anonymous. We can just get your story out there to maybe help prevent this happening to others. But yes, I can only imagine how messed up Winter is going to become. I can imagine how much she hates being a mom, because she gets no attention for it. She feels no specialness at all for being a parent, so she rarely sees him. She wrote in her blog about only spending time with him like one day a week.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Exactly. That little guy was attached to me for a time, and it broke my heart to leave the way I did. It was the hardest part about leaving. I’m just one of the many transient caregivers now.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
She has an incredibly strange hold on everyone. Look at how that girl was attacked for making the video on Teal creeping her out. Teal calls them her “army.” That’s scary. There is nothing loving from them though. They always claim love and light, blindly following and not thinking. I’m sure Winter sensed the insanity in everyone, and felt you were the least messed up, so he clung to you.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I have been revisiting my mindset and thought patterns from that time for myself the past couple of days. Its scary.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I can imagine.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I can't say it feels great to spend time in that level of consciousness, but if it can help people and myself understand, I am willing to do my best.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
You also are helping me see how accurate I am with what I detect from her, as I have never met her. There were just people who wrote me who were messed up by her. I read some of her blogs, and saw some of her videos. That’s all. So thank you for confirming as well. That is why I am doing what i am doing, not for fame. You cannot get fame from this. It pisses everyone off. People want motivation and solutions to encourage their spiritual drugs, not expose them.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Oh you are welcome! You are helping me more than I even realize.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I’m glad to hear that.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I understand on a deep level what you are doing. I may not always get it at the conscious level right away, but it is having a profound effect. It is challenging to the ego mind, but I know it is good for people at the subconscious level to snap out of it. I do appreciate what you are doing. It has to start somewhere, and what you are doing can't be easy. Everyone comes at you with resistance at first. It will change, and you will have been a forerunner before long though.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yes always resistance. People constantly saying I'm negative or whatever.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
“The multitude is always wrong.” I can't remember who quoted that, but I feel like it's true.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yep. So however you want to go about this we can. We can even do a skype audio chat. I can put it up. Or whatever. It’s up to you, but people have to know. I can also not stand how Teal promotes sex and says that women prefer men who are rough with them, otherwise they are considered weak. I’m sorry but that is sick. It's like get a man who abuses you, and dominates you, because that's how Teal likes it. And all men who are not, call them weak.I am so concerned about the many who have their young daughters watch her videos to be like her. I am concerned about guys learning how to exploit woman.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I KNOW. She is obsessed with sex. It's grotesque. With all the constant talk of sex in the house I was sick to my stomach often hearing these things. She is a sadomasochistic nymphomaniac, and I tried to tell her more than once how disturbing it is to hear that stuff from her. I explained that it’s not normal. I even suggested she get counseling from a sex therapist. It did not go over well.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Its a good tool to manipulate a guy with as well. Poor people who have to live in the house and hear about her having sex with her guy, and then have her trying to seduce them too.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes, but I almost felt like she was trying to make Fallon into some kind of rapist. I was so disturbed, I just tried to tune it out.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
That’s what I mean, and he does not want to see it. And then she said, “you’re not right for me,” cause he can not rape her. He left feeling like a failure, confused, and less than a man.<br />
Do you know how many woman got upset with me, cause they let their daughters watch and follow Teal? I told them if you let them do that, and they act like her, they will end up getting raped and think that’s love? That makes it into Stockholm Syndrome.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
No, I had no idea you said that, BUT IT'S LIKELY TRUE.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
So many mothers were like, no, if my daughters watch Teal, they will not be raped. How dare you say such a thing? You try to warn people, and they are so blind.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
They are blind to it. I gave up speaking out about it because of fear. I shouldn't have.<br />
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Right off the bat in Teal's strange new land of make-believe and TMI that I found myself living in, I was disturbed to learn about Teal's pregnancy fetish. With Fallon and Teal's constant talk about sex in the house, I learned that Teal is not only a sadomasochistic nymphomaniac, but Teal also divulged that she apparently gets turned on by the thought of babies, breastfeeding and pregnancy. Teal also claimed that her guides had told her that she would soon be having a baby girl named Aurora with Fallon. She claimed the baby would be part of her source stream and would basically be an exact replica of herself. After witnessing Teal's inability to adequately care for her son Winnie, I couldn't help but try to discourage Teal and Fallon from bringing another baby into that dysfunctional mess. I remember feeling Teal's wrath after I suggested that Teal and Fallon might try to get a puppy together first before they tried to have another baby.<br />
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Teal admitted that when she feels challenged, her empathy turns off. She needs to win. Winning is the most important thing to her. After her NLP (Neuro-linguistic programming) session, Teal once wrote this sentence on the sliding glass mirror of her closet door in lipstick:<br />
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<i>Is winning still most important when it comes to Winnie?</i></blockquote>
Several months into things, Fallon eventually became so worried about bringing another baby into an abusive life with Teal that he went and got a vasectomy against Teal's wishes while they were still together. I believe that is actually what started the true demise of Teal and Fallon's relationship. But that's another story.<br />
BTW, Fallon is what Jared changed his name to based on Teal's recommendation. That's right, she wanted him to have NO sense of Identity outside of her, so she convinced him to change his name to something she liked.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yes, I know Fallon is what Jared changed his name to because she liked it better. So, like a good puppy, he did what she asked. but getting a vasectomy. Wow, that takes balls. Excuse the pun. That must have pissed her off. Good one, Fallon. I wonder how long it's going to last with the guy she is with now.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
He's used to illuminati queen bees. For chrissakes her new husband/(suspected mk ultra handler) was a personal assistant and real estate manager for Madonna for years in England. He's so used to crazy, difficult, demanding, divas, it's hard to say how long he will stick around.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Oh, I did not know that.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes.<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/upstairs-downstairs-2012style-6792200.html"> It's online</a>. I will send you a link unless he took it down. There is a reason I was scared. I don’t know what those people are into.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Tell my why you are or were scared.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
If she is involved in MK ultra, there are people that don't like whistleblowers. My parents brought up the fact that maybe I could end up pulled over, arrested, and even have my life messed with. I didn't know.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Ok, so the girl who made the video about Teal being creepy. Did she have attacks like that?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
She had death threats apparently. The woman who made the Teal Scott Creeps Me Out video emailed me something about a Gray alien government involvement project she thinks Teal is a part of. It scared the crap out of me.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Do you have any proof that you will be physically threatened for exposing her? The police should arrest Teal swan. Surely she is being investigated by the FBI. What proof do you have that she is with grey alien government? We have gotten many death threats to by the way. Most of them are empty and messed up. If you have evidence on Teal, it’s your duty to expose her.<br />
I do not feel you will be in harm, but we can give you a fake name if you like, just in case.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I don't have proof that I could be in any imminent danger, besides what the woman said about death threats to her. She told me she was approached by another woman who worked for the government labs, and apparently looked and talked just like Teal, but she was black? She apparently befriended her, showed her security clearance, and showed her something about UFO projects, and gray alien contact. She also claimed the black woman made a pass at her. It was so weird. I didn't know what to think.<br />
So no, I don't have proof.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
You can contact the FBI if you’re scared. She is most likely already under investigation.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
It all sounds so weird, I don't want to focus too much on it. I think I've made my decision. I might be scared, but I've been scared before. It's better than being scared and not doing anything about it.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I’m sorry, I did not mean to pressure you. I will assist you in whatever way I can.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
You aren't. I understand where you are coming from. I just didn't know if you understood where I was coming from, so I wanted to share a little of where I was prior to now. You aren't pressuring me. That isn’t it. I think it is helping me more than anything. I realize how fears can get built up in my head without solid proof. Just little pieces that seem to fit together, but they can't be verified. It hardly seems reasonable to cling to fear and not do anything.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Well, we do work with psychological fears, and most of them are not real. We just make them real with all the ideas we accumulate. Eventually, we can no longer tell what is what anymore. You have to understand how fear works, then you and everyone else will never fall into these traps again. You will be able to see them a mile away.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Nice. So, I am willing to do what I can do to collaborate here.<br />
I wouldn't be opposed to Skype at some point if that is the route you want to go. I don't know how long you have, but I am still writing out where I was in terms of head space leading up to and during this situation. I’m spending a little time each day working on it. It sounds like you are pretty eager to get this off the ground. I don't know if you want me to just send you bits and pieces or the full story, and you can dissect it from there?<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Its up to you. I have time as much as you need. <br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Okay great! Thank you, I will do that. It shouldn't take too much longer.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
It seems to me Teal was a struggling ammature model, and realized she could not do it her whole life. So, she decided to make up stories to be the center of attention. Then she found someone to market her, so she could be made into a cash cow. By playing the “I am more spiritual and conscious than you” game, when anyone crosses her path, she can always just say they are from the evil cult. Then her Tealer warriors will turn on them. She claims she will make so much money, she will be able to buy countries. I’m sorry. She is not psychic at all. Everything she spouts, she has either made up or read.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I am not sure why she has soo many psychological disorders though. Being around Teal was like being in a never-ending drama-trauma cycle. She is nothing, if not capricious. Her emotions were always rapidly shifting. For instance: one minute she was giddy, doing cartwheels in the park; then, 15 minutes later, on the drive home, she became despondent, after claiming to have seen, on the side of the road, the ghost of a person who was ‘traumatically’ killed in a car accident. She acted depressed, claiming to have gone out of body, to help the ghost cross over. She is a really good actress if she is faking everything. Even the fact that she is faking it points to a whole other set of psychological imbalances. I did witness a “seizure,” and she is clearly disturbed sexually. There is something going on that I don't understand the cause of. I don't believe her back story she tells the public. I believe that Blake (her marketer/business partner) and Teal made a pact to take the "spiritual route" to fame and fortune after she had her son years ago. This idea only came about because her athletic career fizzled out, and the nude modeling/prostitution world wasn't such a viable option for a married mommy. Teal and Blake are both pathological liars. As far as I am concerned, they are both deluded and dangerous con-artists, and I am relieved to have have gotten away from them when I did.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I think she was raped when she was a kid, but that was the extent of her abuse. She developed the complex mainly, because she wanted attention.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Blake has bought into her delusional world and been in love with her for the past eleven years. While I was at their house, it came to light that Teal and Blake had been messing around behind Teal's ex-husband Mark's back the entire last year of their marriage. Blake has not been in a relationship since his ended with Teal almost 10 years ago. Not to mention, Blake has been living off of Teal and Mark's income for the past 5 years, and therefore has a vested interest in successfully pimping Teal out (spiritually or otherwise.) Blake has been fired from more jobs that he can count, and has had no social or family life outside of Teal. Blake has no car, no house, and no real means of income on his own. He was waiting tables at a bistro a couple nights a week. However, with the cost of living being so high, that could barely pay for food and toilet paper in Park City. Blake's day job consists of making Teal's weekly videos, planning her workshops, running Teal Eye LLC (such as it is.) , and caring for Teal's 4 year old son Winter. Blake has been there from the beginning, and has been Winnie's "second dad" according to Blake and Teal. Blake has said he couldn't love that boy any more if he were his own. In my opinion, two dads is necessary, because Teal is not a hands on parent. After caring for and bonding with that little guy myself, I was seriously concerned for Winnie's emotional and physical well being while I was there.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Seizures can be any number of things<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Ok. I am relieved you don't think she is psychic. But why did she sometimes pick up on stuff that happened in childhood? And I was actually told by two shaman and a psychic that she is consciously cording people, which is a big violation in the spiritual community.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Its easy to fake it. Or mostly, what they do is the people tell them stuff about their life, and they do not remember, and then all she does is repeat it, and they are like, “Wow. How did you know?. You must be real deal.” Did you think about anonymously calling social services on Teal, as her son is clearly being neglected and there is child manipulation due to being born into a cult? I really hope someone takes her to court to expose her dangers as well. It’s sickening<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I would never call social services. That is an even scarier place for children to end up. I am sorry, but I have even less faith in government agencies than I do in Teal.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Well true. I’m not sure how it works in the US, but in Canada, there are options for the child to go to the grandparents if need be, not to some random sicko who wants money. Yes, the government is messed up everywhere, but it still can work sometimes with exposing stuff like this.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
There are seriously satanic pedophile rings in social services in the states. I at least know Winnie wasn't going to go through that with Blake and his father Mark and Teal's parents in the picture.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
But I’m not saying for you to do any of this. Just pointing out how many options there are. Yes I know. I have heard about the satanic pedophile rings, but it’s not all of them. There are lots, yes, but there are still some that are legit. You do not know which one the kids will get though.<br />
So how is Winnie? What is he like? What’s his psychology like? It seems like you were his babysitter or something.<br />
I think this new age conspiracy stuff has made you nervous thinking everything is satanists and pedophiles when it's not true. This is something that people need to understand and find out for themselves when detoxing from all this stuff.<br />
I’m not saying it’s not there, because it is. But I’m saying it’s not what you think or as bad as you have been made to believe. This is also why so many give Teal so much merit, but it’s not true.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Winnie was incredible. He seemed very fragile though. Teal said he was a crystal child and a Pleiadian walk-in/ascended master. Ugh. I know. He was very sensitive to people's energies. He seemed to say some very wise things. He was such a sweet kid. He is going to be emotionally scarred though. He talked really loud and had fits pretty often while I was there, because I don't think he ever felt truly recognized or heard with a house full of strangers always coming and going. When he would fall and hurt himself, He would usually cry out, “I need a mommy". When he got hurt, was usually when he got full one on one attention from Teal. He did end up getting hurt a lot while I was there. A lot of that is normal 3-4 year old boy stuff. Although, he fell down the stairs once with Jared and even broke his little arm. :( He seemed to think he had come to help his mommy get better. Once when Teal had just been “triggered” by something upstairs, he came all the way downstairs just to get me. He said, “mommy's sad.” There was a house full of other people, including Fallon, but he insisted on coming to get me. I asked him what he thought I needed to do about it. He just grabbed my hand and said, "go check on her." So I did. It was horrible. He lives in that situation on a daily basis. Thank god he has Teal's parents. They are such supportive grandparents for Winnie. He seriously latched on and became quite attached to me right away. He called me his girl. He asked me to read him stories every chance he got. And one day, when I took him and their Great Dane to a nature preserve behind Teal's house, I remember it was so sad he squeezed me around the neck so tight and said, "I just wanna stay like this forever."<br />
He even got really upset one day when he thought I was leaving. He started crying, and told me he really wanted me to stay. Mind you this was still only a couple weeks into things, and I wasn't actually leaving at that time, but Fallon told me that Teal had said he sensed that things were really uncertain, and he was afraid I was leaving.<br />
The poor kid still wasn't even potty trained at four years old. He was still in diapers, because I just don't think there was enough consistency to make it stick. Teal refused to do anything about the potty training situation. She claimed that potty training can cause some of the most trauma to children, and is actually the cause of a whole host of issues later in life. Teal’s parents tried working with him, but when he was home, nobody had really followed through. So, Winnie had learned to just bring you a diaper when he needed changed. I thought that was odd.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
It is. Kids get potty trained by age 2.<br />
Why does Teal attack and write smack about her parents so much to the point they want nothing to do with Teal?<br />
Do her parents know the true situation of how it is for Winter to live in that house? Is there a way to have them take the boy rather then Teal? Did you tell her parents about what is actually going down there at the Teal house?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal and her parents seemed to have a functional, supportive, relationship when I met them. She seemed far from angry and estranged from them before her infamous blog post. In fact, I had the pleasure of spending a weekend with Teal's parents and her brother Sky with Teal at her parents' house in the Escalante desert. I honestly loved them. I thought they were some of the warmest, most present, and accommodating people I had ever come across. I would describe them as intelligent salt of the earth people. That was actually the only time I even began to question the plausibility of Teal's abuse. I couldn't believe these people wouldn't have noticed something as extreme as what Teal described going on with their daughter. I even commented that I loved her family, and it seemed as though Teal had an idyllic childhood if it weren't for the abuse. Teal agreed. I can remember Teal's level headed brother Sky cracking a joke when Blake, him, and I broke out on a hike. Blake explained that Winnie apparently told him a tall tale earlier in the day, and Sky laughed it off saying. "Uh oh, it looks like Winnie may have inherited his mom's imagination and penchant for exaggeration." That one stuck with me. <br />
It seemed as though her parents put a lot into Teal growing up. What with her trip to China, her modeling, skiing, skating, and epic nature loving camping trips. Her parents just seemed to be such a doting supportive unit for Winnie too. Any which way I tried to look at it, left me puzzled and scratching my head. I just couldn't make Teal's story add up. I still can't. My heart broke for her parents and brother when I read Teal's blog post on the Oedipal complex. I don't think the worst parents in the world would have deserved the crap she wrote about them. I know her parents didn't deserve it. I don't believe for a second that they didn't do the best they could by Teal. She needlessly dragged them through the mud in my book. That is true to form for Teal though.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
How do we know none of the many people coming into the Teal house are not molesting this boy secretly like what usually happens? Children are just decoration and trophies to her.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I don't know anything. That breaks my heart to even think that! I know she thinks of Winnie like an accessory, and only wants to be a parent when it is convenient. Some of the things she said about him were awful.I haven't been in contact with Teal's parents since that weekend. My guess is they feel so guilty about the monster they raised, but they also love her because she is their daughter and feel some strange need to protect her. Why else would they stay so silent in the face of all this?<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
My gosh, this is such a twisted tale to unravel. But you see, the brother sees she is just imagining and exaggerating everything all for attention. Her parents could not give enough or be good enough, just like every guy, or person in Teal’s life. No one is good enough, because her standards are impossible, and she is schizo. So, when they do not meet her standards, after a while, she rakes them across the coals.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
You’re right.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Did you ever ask them? Would they protect her if they knew the truth? Say the evidence? What did they have to say about Winter not being potty trained at 4 yet? Maybe even her brother will help you. Something has to be done. You at least know them, and they know you. So if you came to them with all this, what do you think they would say and do? Do you think they would tell you to leave, or see that something must be done? I cannot find that blog. I think she took it down. I only know of another blog where she mentioned it, so I do not know what she said about them. l think Teal was very jealous of you too, and furious that you intruded in her control plans for Fallon. So, she did what she could to make it hell for you in the house until you left. Only room for one queen bee in that house.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Her parents didn't seem to like the potty training situation at all. They said they were trying to work with him on it when they had him, but Teal dismissed them. They just tip-toed around it when I was at Teal’s parents for her birthday once. It may have been awkward for them to address serious issues when there was always company around. I don't know anything for sure. He is surely potty trained by now anyway, He’s five. Her parents know exactly what it is like with Teal. They took Winnie every chance they got. They moved to be closer to him. They took him every weekend for 3 days and whenever Teal went to her workshops when I was there. They knew exactly what it is like in that house, and they never did anything. Her mom thought the relationship with Fallon wouldn't last. She was right.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Teal is also terribly spoiled. She had everything, and it was not enough. No, she needs countries. So they know she talks about sex all the time and manipulates everyone?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes!<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
What about her brother? Do you think he would talk with you about all this? And they do nothing? How can they be ok with Winter being raised around that?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
It's like they don't want to lose Teal completely from their lives, so they roll with the punches she dishes out, and all of them just carry on.They all walk on eggshells like it's normal I suppose.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
One thing that is strange to me. When a child tells their parents they are raped, the parents often refuse to acknowledge it and do nothing, or they accuse the kid of being a liar. I do not understand why this is. So maybe if she was raped, and she tried to tell them, and they did nothing, then that could be a good reason to resent them and destroy them in her blogs.<br />
What is her brother like? Well, her parents lost her a long time ago.They have to help put a stop to this monster they created. By allowing it, they are a party to it.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes. Teal claims that her abuser threatened to kill her family if she told anyone what happened to her. Teal told me a story once (doesn’t mean it was true) that she went to the doctor for an infection when she was 9, and the Dr. told her mother her hymen was broken. Teal said her mother dismissed it as being from horseback riding, and never gave it another thought.<br />
Teal hates her parents for never protecting her by my estimation, and they feel so guilty they are willing to put up with anything to try to make it right in their minds.<br />
I only spent time around Teal’s brother twice. He tried to intervene when she was going through a divorce and beginning to date Fallon. Her brother seems to stay on the fray most of the time.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Teal’s parents need to know they can never make it up to her, and to continue playing her game they are a party to much worse.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Her brother stays out of the way most of the time. He didn't say much, but he seemed to have his head on straight.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Why? Does he feel guilty too? Does she blame him too?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal said that her brother wanted to do something about Teal's abuser when the family found out about what had happened from Teal. But Teal said their dad talked him out of it, so maybe he feels guilty?? Who knows if she was telling the truth there either. Teal also claimed that all those years, she never told anyone about what was happening, because her abuser had threatened his life. So, I don't know what kind of twisted psychological hold she has on her brother.<br />
Last I heard, her brother was a rape counselor. I think he must know Teal was raped, but he probably doesn't know what to make of the rest of her story.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Do you think he would listen to you if you talked with him?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I don't know. What would I talk to him about? He knows Teal. There is nothing I know that he doesn't. At least from what I could tell, he's heard and seen it all.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
About what to do. What do you do, continue to allow it, because it’s Teal after all, and she gets away with everything all because of guilt? I’m sorry, no. Her brother was a rape counselor. What about all the people Teal is psychologically raping?<br />
She also claims to be Shirdi Sai Baba in a past life.<br />
I’m sorry. I may be sounding pushy again. I’m just trying to brainstorm on what can be done, and why this needs to be exposed, and why you can not do it on your own. You need help from solid people who know her and her bs well.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I kept my sanity by believing that Winnie knew exactly what he was getting into, and that he was being protected. Now I am having to grapple with how this is a damaging belief, and I don't know what the best course of action is. I believed he was protected at the soul level that is.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
No Cameron, people do not choose this. No souls choose this. It’s a very dangerous new age tool used to get away with so much BS. As you can see, he is not being protected. Not at all.<br />
I will show you some more very damaging beliefs that I saw you wrote above. I have to scroll up to find them.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Why won't her own family do more? GREAT FRIGGIN JESSICA SCHAB.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Come on, no soul is ever protected by this BS. Not Teal, even though she claims to be advanced. What about all those kids being beheaded? They did not choose that, and nor is any soul or god protecting them. It’s just an invention to be irresponsible and cruel to one another.<br />
Only you can find that out.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Hmmm. This is a good point. It's been almost a year since I've spoken to them. I wonder how much has changed since then.<br />
Teal did claim that I reminded her of her mother. That is so scary, because she clearly hated her mother. I guess maybe that explained her sadistic need to punish and compete with me on some level. But then she was also incredibly manipulative, and made it seem like she didn’t really want me to actually leave on bad terms. I just thought it was her borderline personality disorder. Classic "I hate you, don't leave me" crap. Her parents are clearly used to these abusive, devaluing cycles of Teal's over the years. Really weird shit I'm putting together over here. Thanks again.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Of course. That’s her way to stay safe and squeaky clean. She played these mind games to make you seem like the insane one who can not stand it there. All the while being like, oh no, I love you, we are soul family, or whatever bs. That’s so when you do leave, it’s your fault and not Teal’s. She’ll say you cannot handle her vibration or some shit like that. Think back to the many who left in haste. What did she say about them when they were gone? Most likely, I knew their vibration was no good, or they were jealous, or something like that.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
SO TRUE! How did you figure all this out?! Do you know Teal too? Teal is one of the biggest shit-talkers behind people’s backs I have ever come across. I quickly learned that she rarely had anything nice to say about anyone when they weren’t in front of her. She either says she loves people when they aren’t in front of her, or they are complete and total shit to her based on her last interaction. There isn’t anything in between with Teal. I couldn’t believe the things she said about her own fans and the people who were hosting her workshop when I first met her and was driving her and Blake to dinner after her Santa Barbara workshop. That was a huge disillusionment for me on day one. I didn’t think a spiritual teacher would be so two-faced and speak so negatively about her own fans and people who were interested in helping her that way. <br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I do not know Teal personally, but I know her psychology. I know her game, and I know how she works. We make tons of labels to hide and excuse our mess and confusion.<br />
It’s not her borderline personality disorder. It’s her manipulation control game. It’s her spell she casts. Yes, it’s just like an abusive relationship: “I hate you, don’t leave me”; “Let me abuse you some more.” Next it’s, “I’m sorry,”....”I will never do it again,” here is a gift, or letter to show you I care. Then it’s back to more abuse. This fucks with a person’s mind so bad, that it makes people put up with and stay in abusive relationships for years, even bringing kids into the mix. It’s messed up, and it must be exposed, detoxed, and dissolved, or this shit will go on forever to all our children. What will we tell them? You chose this. No, we chose to do this with our kids by refusing to think, or see the pattern for what it is. Why? Because it’s not positive. It’s too negative and ugly. Push it away. Oh, but we cannot hide from it. It always find us.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Ah. So, the Western medical community throws the label BPD to diagnose a manipulative cycle of abusive behavior that is passed down from parents to children.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yeah we are like detectives. I just said the same to my husband. It is really weird shit we are putting together with our chat.<br />
You know, I am pretty sure she watched and copied lots of my videos, and even the blog idea where you write so much about your personal life. For example, I know she ripped off being a dream guide from me. Not that I care, I’m just telling you.<br />
I can even tell you how it works, and how easy it is to do it. I never purposely manipulated people though. I did not know how damaging my spiritual beliefs were. Once I realized the damage I was promoting, I knew I had to expose it. The spiritual teachers who know, and refuse to expose it, and just continue riding the gravy train, piss me off. They have a responsibility, damn it. If they really want to help, this is how.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Dream guide? Is that where she is claiming to help people cross over in their dreams? I’ve tried to avoid all things Teal related since I left. I admit I have been hesitant to read her blogs or watch her material. It is difficult to stomach. I have mostly been kept up to date by disillusioned Tealers that have been kicked out of Teal Tribe or blocked for asking questions. They then often vent about Teal’s crap teachings in other blogs or private groups on Facebook.<br />
Yes, you are right, Teal is definitely a disinformation agent. She is doing a disservice to society. Teal has thousands of desperate, lost, and confused followers that enforce her delusions of helping people by giving her daily online consensus. Unfortunately, Teal is only spreading the confusion within her own diseased mind to the masses by normalizing and even exalting her own toxic behavior that she refuses to change. She would rather justify and excuse her narcissism, selfish worldview, and toxic relationship patterns in her videos disguised as “teachings” than change any of her own unhealthy psychology. Ever the martyr, she claims she is using her own miserable life as proof that she knows the way out of suffering, and she knows how to transcend all the ills in the world. Teal is doing this all under the guise of helping people, whilst being nothing more than the equivalent of a spiritual drug dealer. She’s dispensing her damaging beliefs that temporarily make people feel better about the dysfunction in their lives. Teal is making a profit by exploiting the confusion and delusions present within herself and her followers. Teal isn’t helping anyone in the long run, least of all herself. Meanwhile, her followers swallow her deluded belief systems whole, without ever having to actually think for themselves, or effect any real positive change in the world. All because they suddenly feel better about what is; all because Teal claims that everything is perfect from source perspective anyway.<br />
When Teal attempts to speak from this elusive "source perspective" that only she seems to have access to, source’s messages end up sounding like: “Go ahead and commit suicide,”... “It feels so good to die,”… “Just shoot girls who don’t want to sleep with you, Elliot Rodger (The Virgin Killer); your purpose was to show the world what bad parenting can do,”…. “Thanks for leading that revolutionary suicide movement, Jim Jones”… “Hail Hitler--- the biggest catalyst for world peace,”…”Source doesn’t judge you,”... “Suffering is perfect; it causes the most expansion in the universe,”….” After all, the purpose of our lives is to find joy and expand,”... “There are no mistakes,”... “Just ask Teal.”<br />
Frankly, these sound like the ramblings of a schizophrenic psychopath. It’s no wonder many people believe Teal may be working for the Illuminati agenda. It seems to me, this is exactly the kind of BS that the powers that be would want people to be thinking right now. These new age beliefs pacify the masses, just like religion has done for centuries. Meanwhile, atrocities are committed right under our noses; the world still turns; people never change, and the dysfunctional world systems stay in place. <br />
Having been in Teal's cross hairs for months, I know from experience that trusting her is a dangerous proposition. In my experience, abuse of trust is an understatement when it comes to Teal's M.O. Teal claims to be "treating clients" who come to her for psychic advice, mental, emotional, and physical "healing," but she is completely deluded herself. I don't believe Teal has any business treating or advising anyone, but I do believe she would benefit immensely from psychological treatment herself. Unfortunately, it seems like she bounces from psychiatrist to psychiatrist without ever following through consistently with any of them. It's almost like she goes to see them merely to steal and plagiarize new material/processes for "her teachings." It almost seems as though she likes to channel different aspects of their personalities in a way. Maybe seeing so many therapists growing up is partially how she developed her persona as a spiritual teacher or something. I found Teal’s claims that she suffers from Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) extremely unlikely to say the least. Teal has publicly stated that she had twelve alternate personalities (alters) that she managed to miraculously integrate in therapy over the course of five years. It’s difficult to sort out what's true and what's not with a pathological liar like Teal, but I believe this to be a bold faced lie. She hasn't successfully integrated anything or completed treatment.<br />
Incidentally, one of her alleged alters is a priestess of Satan and was used by cult members in satanic rituals to call forth and communicate with the "thought form known as the Devil." She also claims to have one alter who is a Wiccan high priestess and was used in officiating ceremonies and as a midwife delivering babies. I was informed by a former friend of Teal’s, who wishes to be unnamed, that Teal has a past history of drug addiction. Teal publicly claims she became addicted to drugs due to her abuser injecting her with ketamine and other mind/body altering drugs during her childhood years. But I digress. Teal explained that for a time, she was getting money from the state for psychological treatment, and she finally found a psychiatrist in Utah, who specialized in ritual abuse, by the name of Barbara Snow. I've looked her up on google. Apparently, Barbara Snow has been involved in some legal issues, but appears to still have a practice. Teal also claims to have gone to group therapy with other ritual abuse victims. (perhaps this is where she picked up and internalized some of the more horrific stories of abuse she heard from other victims in group).<br />
Anyways, Teal claims that she developed a great rapport with this Barbara Snow woman. It sounded like she idolized her. I remember Teal singing her praises, saying she made her feel so safe, how she was "soft and sweet like a marshmallow," and that she recognized immediately and knew exactly what she was dealing with in her treatment of Teal's ritualistic programming. She claims to have seen her regularly for 5 years, but then her treatment ended abruptly after Barbara made a "HUGE MISTAKE" according to Teal. Teal claims that one day, after a session, Barbara broached the subject of a back payment from Teal, because she hadn't been paid for several sessions. Apparently, Teal's state funded payments had run out, unbeknownst to Teal. This had embarrassed and infuriated Teal soo much, that Teal said she could never bring herself to go back. This type of splitting behavior makes borderlines one of the worst types of patients for therapists to try and treat. All I know is, it's awfully strange that as soon as Teal leaves treatment, she suddenly writes a book, invents a career as a spiritual catalyst, and qualifies herself to help clients with emotional, spiritual, and mental problems. At the very least, I know Teal should never be allowed to play out her egomaniacal mind games on any unsuspecting person who exhibits signs of depression.<br />
It caught me off guard the first time I experienced one of Teal's borderline tirades, where she flipped a switch and began berating me for all of my shortcomings a few weeks after I arrived in Utah. It started when she became extremely irritated with me and accused me of questioning her integrity. This was after Teal told me her cat, Cosmos, was actually a holographic soul projection from the planet Sirius, and he had been sending me telepathic images of my pancreas, to tell me that my blood sugar was off. I casually mentioned that I had just happened to read about blood sugar and it's effect on the body in the book called The Woman Code, that she had coincidentally recommended I read just two days before. Despite my offhand manner, she claimed that I was "attacking her" and pled her case to Fallon, Graciela, and Flavia. I was dismayed by her reaction, but she claimed to have read my energy, and accused me of energetically "throwing a dagger" and not trusting her. Then, in front of those guys, Teal immediately jumped to trying to convince me that I was suicidal (despite the fact that I wasn't and had never been suicidal before). I explained this, to her, and she went so far as to tell me that I was "passively suicidal" instead, and informed me that I was "uncommitted to life." She asked why I had never considered suicide before. I told her that despite the fact that she may believe that life is just an insignificant video game from "source perspective," I happened to believe that suicide would hurt my family, and I would never consider doing anything that selfish. Teal responded flippantly saying, "Hm, It's about time you were selfish, isn't it?"<br />
Teal compared me to her most difficult client Leslie that she lost to suicide, and even went so far as to say that I looked like her. She went on to tell me among other things, that she could see my thoughts and my vibrations and that I was a match to breast cancer, and that I had stomach ulcers. This was news to me, as I had never had any symptoms. I am not someone who has ever easily let people hurt me, but by the end of her tirade, Teal finally had me in tears. Only Flavia, who was extremely taken with Teal at the time, expressed that she thought Teal was being really hard on me after Teal and Fallon had left the room. This didn't go over well, and the rest of the group remained silent. Teal told me to get in my car and drive to decide whether I was committed to life or not. Thank god by that time, I had the wherewithal to recognize that Teal was clinically insane, so I got in my car and drove to my apartment with the intention of packing up my things and moving back home to Washington. According to Fallon, Teal then became frantic and was in tears after I actually left and she had him call and text me asking if I was okay. I couldn't believe she had the audacity to believe that I would actually kill myself because she told me to.<br />
In hindsight, I do believe that someone who trusted Teal, was already depressed or suicidal, and was unaware of Teal's own mental instability may have fallen for her line of BS and decided to kill themselves. I would be shocked if Teal's client Leslie who killed herself knew of all of Teal's various mental problems at the time she was being "treated," and I doubt Leslie's husband who repeatedly called to yell at Teal after he found his wife dead, knew Teal was mentally ill at that time either. By all accounts, Leslie's husband was furious with Teal for the first week following his wife’s death, and I do believe he would have been able to take legal action against Teal if he had access to information concerning the state of Teal’s mental health at that time. However, it didn’t take long before Teal worked her charms on him to win him over, and his attitude mysteriously changed toward Teal after several weeks of what no doubt Teal would call “grief counseling.” He is purportedly a big supporter of Teal now. I even remember Teal scrambling to have us all get her house in order, because he was coming over for one of his regular sessions with Teal. l was even briefly introduced to him in passing as he was leaving Teal’s house after he had just emerged from Teal’s healing room where she sees her “clients.” What often goes on in these healing sessions with male clients I later learned from Teal was a tale in itself.<br />
Teal did not publicly disclose her mental issues until recently, and in fact, I had to recognize and point out Teal's mental problems myself after I moved to Utah before she would admit to them. I'm convinced she never would have admitted to mental instability at all if it hadn't become impossible for her to conceal her issues from me and the other members of Shadow House who were living in close quarters with her for several months. I am ashamed and embarrassed that I ever went back over to Teal's house after that first little episode, but it's amazing what GUILT wielded by a sociopath like Teal, and group pressure can do to a person. I admittedly was a glutton for punishment for allowing myself to ever be an emotional punching bag for Teal. Teal has a knack for preying on people's insecurities and making critical comments that slowly chip away at their self worth. On the outside, I pretended that her critical comments toward me didn't bother me, and I found myself genuinely trying to understand her point of view. Internally, I experienced Teal to be very cutting, hurtful, and mean. She had a very effective method for disempowering me and making me doubt myself on the few occasions that I finally had the audacity to stand up for myself. Teal played the victim card without fail. You see, in Teal's world, Teal's pain is the only pain that ever matters. Teal is never responsible for any pain she ever inflicts, because it is excused as being the product of her childhood abuse. Teal is the only victim, while everyone else is a match to abuse because of the law of attraction coupled with their mommy and daddy issues. When I did finally attempt to stand up for myself, Teal claimed that I was "attacking" and thus "triggering" her. She then would rally her other sycophants to defend her and excuse her inexcusable behavior.<br />
Everyone in the house convinced me that I was a match to Teal's abusive treatment because of my vibrations stemming from my childhood beliefs of being unwanted. According to Teal, this was apparently a vibration I had entrained to in-utero by virtue of being born to a 16 year old single teenage mother. So you see, Teal's emotional attacks were actually doing me a favor by mirroring my beliefs back to me so that I could finally recognize and change them. Or at least that is what she had convinced me to believe. Any issue I had with Teal's treatment toward me was immediately reduced to me having some sort of a personality disorder (diagnosed à la Teal), some fractured inner child, or a "mommy issue." Her abusive treatment toward me was always done under the guise of “helping me,” because of course, she knew best. She claimed that I didn’t realize how much I actually needed her help. She claimed that only she knew how messed up I really was, because she can see vibrations and thoughts and had access to memories that I didn’t. I believe she was targeting me in this way, because I didn’t respond to her as if she was a savior or a master like everyone else in the group did. She needed to convince me that I needed her. I never once wanted or asked for any “help” that according to Teal she had been giving me from day one.<br />
It’s amazing though, how after letting Teal project her own toxic pathology onto me, in a few months time, I actually went from thinking I was an empowered spiritual seeker there to help volunteer for Teal Eye LLC’s mission for positive world change, to believing that I might actually need Teal's spiritual advice and healing. She had me doubting my sanity and wondering whether I was damaged beyond repair. She tried to convince me that I had repressed traumatic memories involving alien abductions that were affecting me, and then tried diagnosing me with a personality disorder that Teal herself had. I found myself buying into the excuses other people were making for her. I convinced myself that she didn't really mean to be hurtful, she's just in so much pain herself, right? After everything Teal has been through, how dare I add to her pain by defending myself. RIGHT? This was an extremely abusive cycle to be a party to.<br />
The intentional community Teal was always going on about in her blogs and on Shadow House was a cult. PERIOD. Unfortunately, I was completely ignorant to cults at that time, or to the fact that Teal had been running cult programming on us from the beginning. Teal did not allow free thinking, questioning. or dissent of any sort when it came to her own little land of make-believe. The truth is, that there was never any time spent alone in Utah by myself to really examine or question things for the first couple of months I was there. It was a whirlwind. When we weren't working as volunteers, we were doing group activities like outdoor hikes, or we were sitting around her kitchen table being indoctrinated and listening to outlandishly crazy stories that always seemed to be centered around Teal's powers or "poor Teal" and her horrendous stories of abuse. I came to see these stories as explanations and excuses for why she couldn't do so many things on her own (including laundry, or being a parent) and how she needed to be taken care of herself. Teal, Blake, and Fallon had us busy cleaning her house, watching her son, grocery shopping, cooking, weeding her yard, feeding and walking her dogs, reading her emails, moderating her comments, and driving her and Fallon around for appointments and errands. On Fallon’s recommend, Flavia, Graciela, Justin, and I lived for about a month all together in one small room with Justin and I sharing a bed in Teal's basement. In true borderline fashion, Teal's intensely devaluing tirades did come about with a certain regularity. After a particularly nasty episode of Shadow House, where I was the primary target for Teal's ire, she cursed everyone out and kicked us out of the house on one of her tirades. We decided to all move in together in the apartment I still had been renting down the road just in case things went south. I wasn't particularly happy about all of us being crammed together once again, or being held responsible for other people who weren’t on the lease. But at that time, nobody else besides Flavia and myself had incomes and were in a qualified position to sign a lease. So, I initially took pity on the rag tag band of misfits who found their way to Utah at the same time I had.<br />
On the off chance we had a day of free time, Teal forbade socializing with anyone she saw unfit outside of the group. Namely, there was a girl that Teal had a falling out with, and looking back on it, she had been subtly trying to warn us all about Teal. Teal also tried to convince all of us to hate our parents. It didn't work on me, although she did push me hard. She claimed that if we didn't get angry at our parents mistakes and instead moved straight to understanding and compassion that were glossing over the steps of the healing process and shortcutting our personal growth. She even tried to tell me that in my eyes, Teal reminded me of my mother and that's why we were at odds. I didn't buy it. I knew the real reason we were at odds was because she viewed me as a relatively strong minded potential trouble source for losing control over her other devotees/volunteers who were living with me. I know what she did to Fallon by convincing him that he had repressed memories of his step dad and grandfather raping him in the Mormon church.<br />
Blake's story was particularly sad, as he seemed to have no real family ties. Apparently, his mother is just like Teal according to Blake. Only he claims she is the "antithesis to Teal"? I was confused by his use of the word there. Blake described his mother as an extremely critical, selfish, success driven, former cheerleader, and " social climber" who worked on her career while he was growing up. He described his dad as a former surfer turned stay at home dad who had sacrificed a career to raise Blake and his brother. Blake claimed his parents had a loveless marriage, and he never understood why they had stayed married for 14 years. Now his dad lives in various shelters. Blake's only brother died in an accident 11 or so years ago, and Blake quit speaking to his mother six years ago after she once asked Teal why she wasn't in an institution, and she pointed out that Teal and Blake's relationship was unhealthy and codependent. Blake once even admitted to me that even the thought of losing Teal made him want to commit suicide.<br />
Teal convinced Graciela to never go home because her mom and dad were abusive. Teal told Justin that the reason he was a vibrational match to being abducted by aliens was because of his oppressive catholic upbringing and miserable childhood where his emotionally abusive, closeted gay father and subservient mother stayed trapped in a loveless marriage. Flavia's mother came to visit from Brazil once. She was a sweet lady who did not speak English. From the looks of her, she was horrified by Teal and the way her daughter was living in cramped quarters in Teal's dank basement. Flavia told Teal her mother was worried for her, and Teal succeeded in at least temporarily creating some distance between Flavia and her mother. Bonnie's story was almost as crazy and macabre as Teal's. Apparently, unbeknownst to her mother, Bonnie's father forced her and her siblings into child pornography and incest. Her father had raped Bonnie so much as a child that she now suffers from DID and BPD like Teal.<br />
On a new subject, one of Teal's little mind games revolved around convincing us all that our “higher selves” were aliens from different planetary systems. She claimed that I was a Pleiadian soul fork. She claimed that Graciela was not only an Arcturian walk-in, but she was specifically part of Teal's own Arcturian soul stream. Teal claimed Blake was her Pleiadian emissary, whose soul would be granted the opportunity to go to Arcturus when he dies. This was of course contingent upon him devoting his life to help Teal complete her “mission” in this lifetime. Fallon was a rogue Reptilian trying to convince his own kind that humans are worth saving. Justin's higher self consisted of Pleiadian twins. Flavia and Bonnie were Lyrans. Teal even went on to tell us all how we had known each other in our past lives. I shit you not, this intricate web of stories she weaved had more twists and turns than any sci-fi movie or book I've ever come across. I could never make this stuff up. Over the course of this intensive Teal indoctrination, she told us all that our purpose was to work with her and that we had found our way to her because our souls all had pre-birth contracts in this life. She claimed that our higher selves were extraterrestrials on a council like intergalactic Greenpeace, and we had come down together to help her with her "mission.” She told me that my strengths were in organization, and she said that she saw the future where I was like the "race horse Sea Biscuit" who was going to be an integral piece in developing her company. It became clear to me that Teal is clearly all about hierarchy. It never sat well with me to think that my purpose was to serve anyone. I felt like we were all equals. I even told Teal so on one occasion, as she was pouring over a magazine about the the Royal Couple in a Barnes & Noble. She begrudgingly agreed, but then quickly changed the subject.<br />
There is so much crap with so many different agendas pushed by Teal, that I could never encompass it all in one email. Notably, upon our first in person meeting at her workshop in Santa Barbara, Teal told me that the familiarity between Blake and I was explained because we'd been together in so many past lives that it was "a bit boring to the rest of us." Blake informed me that Teal told him that his and my most recent lifetime together was in 1944. She told him that we died in Nazi Germany in a concentration camp after they separated us and took our children. If that wasn't a hook, I don't know what is. Teal even told me that the reason her son, Winnie, had latched on and become so attached to me was because he recognized that his higher self was pair-bonded to my higher self in the Pleiades. Of course it had nothing to do with the fact that in the midst of his life being turned topsy-turvy, with strange people coming in and out of his house all the time that I took the time to relate to him one on one. It surely had nothing to do with the fact that I made him feel recognized and heard. Teal told me that I had been abducted many times by Reptilian and Gray aliens, and that Fallon's higher self was responsible for my abductions, because he had ordered the Grays to monitor and take my genetic material. Teal claimed that Fallon’s eye twitching and facial tics were the result of his Reptilian soul stream not being completely “phased” with his body. The facial tics were basically like glitches in the matrix she claimed. <br />
I remember one evening where were sitting around her kitchen table, and Teal attempted to implant memories of me being abducted. I told her I didn't want to talk about it, so she proceeded to explain in great detail to me and the rest of the group what she knew had happened to me. I was in shock. She said that I had been raped repeatedly and experimented on, and had my genetic material stolen. She said she could see inside my body, and she knew that “scooped chunks” had been taken out of my uterus. As a result, she said I would be a prime candidate for infertility. She told me that now that I was working with her, the Arcturians had granted me “asylum” from the Gray and Reptilian abductions. This information was likely intended to make fearful of leaving. If I stopped working for her, it was of course implied that I would be fair game to be abducted again. She told me that my deceased biological father (whom I had never met) was a shapeshifting Reptilian who was enemies with Fallon's higher Reptilian self in a different dimension. She claimed that they had to be careful how much "galactic information" she told me, because my real father's Reptilian higher self had ordered implants and mind control/monitoring devices to be placed in my head. According to her, the purpose of this was to currently use me as a spy for the Reptilian hive to keep an eye on Teal’s plans for world change. Teal claimed that it was Fallon’s fault that I was also abducted by the Reptilians, because they never would have bothered me if they weren’t trying to find out what Fallon was up to. She claimed that there was an implant in my third eye that could never be removed, or else I would die. She also said I had tags in my nose, leg, and shoulders. After all this, she sat across the table from Fallon and said, “This is the fucktard that is responsible for completely fucking up your life. Go ahead Fallon, apologize to her for ruining any chance she had at living a normal, happy, life.”<br />
Fallon seemed dazed and confused at first, but to my horror, he was genuinely apologetic and played along with the charade. I now see that Teal was only using that little story as a way to drive a wedge between Fallon and myself. She claimed that Justin and Graciela were abducted by Fallon's gray aliens as well, and that's why we were all a match to each other. These tales for everyone in the house are more intricate and bizarre than I could ever tell you in an email. It was mind warping for sure. All this crap went on when the cameras were off, and then we were thrown into these incredibly abusive webisodes of Shadow House where Teal pretended to dispense new teachings ripped off of Byron Katie. Shadow House was bad enough, but nobody dared mention on camera the kind crazy exterrestrial stuff Teal was pushing on us behind the scenes. My stint spent with Teal, Blake, Fallon, and the Shadow House gang was one of the most disturbing, painful, and confusing experiences of my life. Until recently, I knew nothing of cults. What crazy stories I had heard, led me to believe that I was way too independent and sane to end up in something like that. I never in my life imagined I would find myself in a new age alien cult down in Utah, but that's certainly where I ended up.<br />
After Teal’s New York workshop, I finally broke away from the group to go home for my brother's wedding. My mom was able to help me realize what was going on by having me read up on and educate myself about cults on the internet. I realized that Teal fit the description of a toxic cult leader to a “T”, and the way she was using group pressure and ostracization to manipulate me became painfully obvious. Upon my return trip from my brother's wedding, I broke my lease, packed up a U-Haul and drove back home to my family. I haven't spoken to anyone in Teal's circle since.<br />
When I discovered Teal, I was new to spirituality. I had spent most of my life plugged into the matrix. Although I never quite felt like I fit in anywhere, I did what I thought I was supposed to do according to societal standards. I did well in school, went to college, got a "safe" corporate job with benefits. I was miserable, numb, and I had struggled with an eating disorder for over ten years. Over two years ago, I switched to veganism after getting severe headaches and watching the documentary Vegucated, which I believe kick-started my "spiritual awakening" process. Prior to that, I was at one of the lowest points in my life. I had lost my job as a corporate manager, and after working 50-60 hours a week for five years, I had also lost touch with all my friends and acquaintances. I felt like I'd been a slave my entire life, and I hated waking up to go to work everyday. Nevertheless, when I lost my job, I still felt like I had lost everything. During the unemployed months that followed, I finally had the time for some good old fashioned introspection. I started reflecting on the questions that I had always been too busy to really ponder before. What is the purpose of my life? Why am I really here? I soon discovered the Illuminati, David Icke, Alex Jones, and I spent months on the internet absorbing all the information I could find about the true nature of our reality. My whole life felt like it had been a lie. Nothing had ever felt right, and now I finally understood why. Unfortunately, at that time, I had nobody I could talk to about what I was finding out. I had lost touch with all my friends, and my family thought I was going nuts when I tried to share what I had learned. Eventually, I was tired of feeling scared and powerless to change things. After spending a lifetime being conditioned to look outside of myself for answers, of course I started looking online for spiritual answers that would make me feel better.<br />
That's eventually when I stumbled onto a Teal video. Her videos on self-worth and deserving had a profound effect on my struggle with bulimia. Just learning to stop and ask that one little question: "What would someone who loved themselves do?" This completely changed the way I began treating myself. I saw Teal as a woman who claimed to have suffered unimaginable horrors, who had seemingly transformed herself, and was now living her dream life. She knew what it was like to feel completely powerless, and here she was sharing this new empowering way of looking at the world. I believed that she understood that we are all one, she cared, and she wanted to help people. That all sounded great to me. She also claimed to be an extrasensory ET from the planet Arcturus with abilities to perceive what most others cannot, but I suspended disbelief, because I genuinely wanted to improve my life. So, I read her book, listened to all her interviews and online workshops, watched all of her Ask Teal videos, and basically studied her material for about six months. I studied with the same veracity I studied in school. I basically just swallowed her ideas and concepts whole without ever questioning the mendacity and psychological ramifications of her claims. I can honestly say that compared to where I was, her material made me feel better about my life than I ever had before, which further reinforced in my mind that she had to be telling the truth about her superhuman origins. So, I kept her on the pedestal she presented to the world at that time. I finally had answers, my life was heading in a new direction, and the LOA belief system was a step up from the powerless, victim mentality I had previously felt trapped in. I was extremely grateful and incredibly naive. I even felt as though I loved this generous, beautiful, ET soul who came here to show us mere mortals the way out of suffering.<br />
That's when I heard Teal in an online workshop explaining her visions for positive world change, her plans for living an "intentional community," and for having volunteers who believed in her cause help to run and expand her business ,Teal Eye LLC. I still believed that all of life's answers were outside of me (Ask Teal), so of course I fell for Teal's idea that I needed to focus on changing the world outside of me as well. I never questioned Teal's motives during her earliest videos. I was blind to the red flags, and only saw what I wanted to see. Teal seemed so genuine, loving, and CERTAIN. I really wanted to be able to give something back in the way she was so generously giving to everyone else, so I emailed her right hand man Blake Dyer offering my services as a volunteer for her Santa Barbara workshop. I believe I ended up with Teal in Utah as a result of a classic bait and switch scenario. Up to that point, my interaction with Teal consisted of one weekend spent with her as a volunteer at her Santa Barbara workshop and one brief Skype call with her, Blake, and Fallon. The only other observable behavior of hers I had seen was from her YouTube videos. Teal was still hiding behind the facade of an unconditionally loving, enlightened spiritual guru. At that time, she appeared to me a strong, intelligent, capable, woman that seemed to have her shit together. I had no idea this was just an act. My communication with Fallon and Blake as a volunteer was more extensive online, through phone calls, and emails.<br />
At first, Blake seemed so honest, loving, and incredibly sweet. After meeting him in person in Santa Barbara there was an initial attraction, and he seemed genuinely interested in pursuing a relationship. I pulled back before I moved to Utah, as soon as I realized he was being deceptive and that there was way more to the story with him and Teal. I still moved down to Utah being prompted by Blake, Teal, and Fallon with the promise of a high vibrational lifestyle in a supportive new age community with like minded people who wanted to work towards positive world change. I thought Teal was a successful example of how to raise your own vibrations in order to live the life you've always wanted. I was more than willing to work and volunteer for a good cause that I believed in. Unfortunately, I had no idea what I was actually getting into. It was way more duplicitous and way more "Jerry Springer" than I was prepared for. I didn’t expect that Teal and Blake only ever intended to use me as a live in housekeeper, chauffeur, and babysitter. I had no idea her personal life was such a mess, and she has not even attempted to live by any of "her own teachings." I soon learned that these teachings weren't even coming from Teal.<br />
Despite Teal’s public claims that she gets her information from the ethers, and doesn’t need to read books, Teal had an extensive in home library of popular self-help, metaphysical, and pop psychology books in her house. There were books like: Quantum Touch, What Color is Your Aura?, The Wisdom of the Enneagram, and Suzanne White’s Chinese Astrology, just to name a few. I couldn’t help but notice the highlighter marks and notes in the margins of these books in Teal’s handwriting where she was profiling all her family members and friends. When Justin came to live in Teal's house with us after her Santa Fe workshop, he introduced me to Abraham Hicks on YouTube. I was fascinated! When Blake heard this, he pulled out an entire DVD set of Abraham's videos that they just happened to have had laying around the house to let us borrow. Imagine my surprise and disappointment when I realized that this must have been where Teal was actually getting "her teachings" and her business model. I found myself feeling conflicted by the fact that I actually enjoyed Esther Hick's presentation more, and felt she consistently delivered her message with more clarity than Teal often managed. Teal certainly seemed to be a talented, fascinating and dynamic human being. But, after spending time around her, I also found her to be a dishonest, narcissistic, egomaniac. Call me judgemental, but I also found her dark, sadistic, unmoored from reality, demanding, vulgar, scary, provocative, dramatic, childish, manipulative, controlling, negatively focused, and extremely self absorbed. I soon decided that she was incapable of teaching me or anyone else how to exude the kind of energy they truly wanted in their life.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
WOAH and WTF.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I know. I know. I never thought I would end up in some crazy new age cult alien cult down in Utah. BUT IT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE. I don't know where to go from here, besides a whole lot more introspection to understand what it is about myself that allowed me to get into a situation like that.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Some things I would like for you to consider or be willing to have challenged that may be hard for you as they are comfort beliefs. Ideas such as god, satan, and love can be a serious and even dangerous conditioning. Good and evil is another invention of the mind. There is no good and evil in nature. This only exists in the messed up human mind. I can explain, but it’s a lot. If you are interested, I will share more. Love for example, is just an idea too. Love is also fear. I know this is shocking to think about, but it’s true. People are saying I love you and sending you love, without knowing what they are saying or doing. Parents often tell their kids, “I love you, that is why I force my ways on you.”<br />
Partners say, I love you, then I will abuse and control you, as I know what is good for you, and you do not.<br />
Other people say, “I love my country, or I love my god. That is why I fight and kill others.” Everyone is afraid when they have love, because no sooner do they have what they love, then they are afraid to lose it. Then they do lose it. Then the whole pattern starts all over again. Looking for love, getting love, afraid to lose it, and so on.This is why love is fear, and it’s one of the most misunderstood words ever. We do not even know what love is or why we are told it is so important. Like enlightenment, could it be love is just another an idea? Could it be an invention of the mind that we cling to and strive for without ever understanding?<br />
So many say, what the world needs now is love. So many books, songs, and movies have been about love. So many are sending love, doing workshops and projects in the name of love, but where are we now? The world is more violent and scarier than ever before, and it’s getting worse, not better. Could it be that we are in denial when it comes to love? Are we clinging to hope that prevents us from understanding that we are not sending love or being loving at all? Are we in reality being repressive, controlling, violent, and confusing? This might be very hard to read what I am writing here, but it is something that must be understood. It’s not that we are going to end fear, but we can understand how fear works, so as not to be a victim of it. Understanding how fear works helps us to understand why so many suffer so much.<br />
You have been desperate looking for help, but the more you have searched, the more suffering you got. There has been no relief. Why?<br />
It’s not because you are a bad person, or a stupid person, or you have bad karma, or any of that stuff people are told now a days. We have to be careful when we search, because whatever answer we find can take your mind and life. This can make us only able to think in that idea rather than outside of it. This is why if you challenge someone’s answer, or ideas, or solutions, or comfort zone of beliefs they get very nasty. But yet they say it’s love. Is it really? How can that be love? How can it be that whatever solution we find ends up being a part of the problem and making things worse? We have to be honest about this in order to understand this. Otherwise every solution no matter what it is, will become a part of the problem as well. Are you willing to understand the problem rather than desperately search or cling to any solution you have?<br />
I want to say so many things to you after reading what you wrote. Thank you for sharing all that you did. Also, I wonder how many of the people in what you mentioned above would be interested in hearing your story and helping to expose Teal, so as to also get her son out that terrible condition of living? At least to prevent or decrease the damage being done to her son’s mind.<br />
I’m very impressed.Your writing is transparent. You could make a book out of it if you wanted. If only people could recognize and admit the red flags, so as to prevent people from getting into that situation to begin with.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Wow. I hadn't considered that. It would be nice to help others avoid such a situation though. Thanks again.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I only saw one Shadow House episode, and I was sickened by how she convinced Graciela that she is a healer, and her life purpose is to serve Teal, helping her with her BS mission. Ugh. If you’re in the other Shadow House episode, I will watch. Which one are you in?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I insisted that they be taken down when I left. I had already been exploited enough by Teal, and I never gave consent for them to permanently post Shadow House episodes with me in them on YouTube. Besides, they didn’t leave up any of the episodes with Teal’s particularly embarrassing rants and outbursts, but they clearly left the ones they thought Teal looked good in on YouTube. I had to email them, and finally flag them on YouTube before Blake would remove them.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
At least they listened. Good job. Also in our Facebook group there are many there that have had conversations about how disturbed they are by Teal’s delusions.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Those episodes were awful. You didn't miss a thing from Shadow House besides an opportunity to watch a toxic cult leader in action.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I bet they were. I could hardly stomach the first one. I made myself watch the whole thing, but I could see right through her. I saw how she was manipulating them while the camera was rolling. Even just how she looked at them like she was better then everyone with her arms crossed. And saying, “Go check on Winter.” And then Graciela going under the table. Wtf?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I’m impressed you made it through a whole episode. That is two hours of your life you'll never get back though.<br />
You saw the one with Graciela under the table too! UGH. Words fail me. I was horrified with that. I tried to tell Graciela that was totally crazy. I couldn't believe it ended like that. Graciela got mad at me for saying anything negative about a Teal process.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Haha, no, I will not get those hours back. They’re lost forever. Gracela is wrapped around Teal’s finger, damn it.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I know. I just don't see Graciela ever getting away from Teal. She is like the female version of Blake. She is a totally codependent personality type, with no sense of self outside of her relationship to Teal. Graciela, like Blake, is also incredibly dishonest. Pathological liars are often found within a narcissist's inner circle. Graciela wanted to move into an apartment together before we moved to Utah, but I was very sketched out by her from the outset. I discovered that she had horrible credit, when she didn’t pass the application process when we first applied to lease an apartment together. I had became terrified at the prospect of signing a lease with her and potentially being saddled with her bills due to her irresponsible financial habits. So, I decided against moving into an apartment with Graciela, and moved into an apartment with a different roommate when I first arrived in Utah.<br />
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I initially felt bad for keeping Graciela at a distance, but this decision was based on the fact that Graciela revealed to me that she had never had a real job. She also divulged that she had horrible credit scores, because she had taken out a bunch of student loans. I was appalled when I learned that instead of using that money for college tuition like it was intended, she had actually squandered her student loan money on a drum set, various musical instruments, a Macbook, and a big screen TV. Meanwhile, she had dropped out of college, and was living at her parents house. After racking up all that debt, she actually expected her parents to repay her student loans, car insurance, and phone bills, while she had refused to go out and get a job. However, she had decided to keep all her gadgets she purchased with her student loan money.<br />
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To be frank, I was always extremely bemused and wary of Graciela’s sense of entitlement and indolence. I never wanted her to take advantage of me the way I saw her using her family. Whenever her parents would call her on the phone, Graciela would lie to them about the fact that she was working, and then she would weasel financial support out of her parents and younger brother when her portion of the rent money came due. I was sick to my stomach when I heard she actually convinced her younger half brother, who was twelve years old at the time, to send her the money he made selling ice cream. Meanwhile, her only actual “job” was being a slavishly sycophant unpaid volunteer to Teal.<br />
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I several times bought her dinner when we went out to eat, and even got her an offer for a paid babysitting gig, because she always seemed to be struggling with money. Unfortunately. it seemed to me, that working her parents over and being Teal’s lackey was the only work Graciela ever seemed willing to try her hand at. Graciela is deceptively manipulative. She once said that her social strategy in school was to always try to make friends with the biggest bully on the playground. In the Harry Potter books and movies, the pathology of the character, Wormtail (Voldemort’s lackey), is very similar to the pathology I saw in Graciela. In my opinion, Graciela’s lies and manipulation abilities rival Teal. It makes sense that they are so close. Graciela was obsessed with Hollywood and being famous, and I can remember distinctly that her three favorite interests were Teal, The Kardashians, and Demi Lovato. Like Teal, Graciela is also a master at manipulation and garnering sympathy. In fact, Graciela’s whole exterior is a pity ploy to disarm people as far as I can tell. This article describes Teal’s relationship dynamics extremely well: http://ljgc.wordpress.com/2009/07/29/narcissists-and-sycophants-a-marriage-made-in-hell/<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Sigh. That’s awful. These people like Fallon have even said they would kill for Teal. That’s dangerous.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I can remember Teal told us the name of her abuser one night. Fallon had searched him out on the internet, and said he was willing to kill him. Teal loved the idea. Her eyes lit up when he said it. SCARY stuff<br />
I wanted to interview Teal’s abuser or something and post it for people to hear his side of things. Then I thought that was just plain stupid and dangerous.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Hmm. Yeah.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
At least too dangerous to go do by myself. He is an old man now, but if he's involved in any cults. I don't want anyone following me or tying me up in basements. Lol.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Not even Teal would do a public interview, because she can not control it or be challenged. If she was, she would cry, and that’s it. Ok, in that case yes, and you can do it on Skype. I will even do it with you if you rather not do it alone.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Haha that's awesome.I don't know if Teal’s alleged abuser, who she claimed would be pushing 80 now, would be tech savvy enough to figure out skype or not.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Well Skype can call phones too.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Oh I didn't think of that!! He has even written a book. Teal recommended I read it so that I could understand her pathology and his better. She claimed to have edited it for him as a teenager…<br />
JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Wtf! So messed up.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Her alleged abuser lives in Idaho.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
So back to that. It would be so wild to interview Teals old abuser, and see how much is true if anything.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I thought that would seriously be key.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Imagine if he saw her videos and saw what she was saying about him.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I know. He could clear the record. At the very least, he should know that he is potentially in danger from Teal sicking her crazy followers after him.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Maybe he will clear the record. If he is old, then there is not much he can do. That’s a great idea.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
He was supposedly a veterinarian. I was going to try calling him, but then I thought I better do it from a phone he can't have traced. I know I may sound slightly paranoid, but I still haven’t managed to separate all the lies and fiction from her story yet. I didn't see him in the obituaries, so he's not dead.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal has already done her best to publicly discredit me during the last episode of Shadow House I was coerced into participating in.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
The one that was removed?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
What did she say to discredit you?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
During the last episode, I questioned her methods on shadow work and expressed my genuine confusion at the effectiveness of the way she was using Byron Katie's judge your neighbor process to allow her and all the other Shadow House members to gang up on me. I asked her what the point of this exercise was, as I never ended up feeling positive in any way after following her methods of doing shadow work with the other members.<br />
I felt like she was using it to break me down psychologically. She was only using Byron Katie’s method to try to get all the other members to gang up on me in order to make me doubt myself and convince me that I was the only one with a problem. She even goaded Fallon into calling me a "bitch" more than once. She looked over at him when he hesitated, and said, “Say it.” Teal ended up losing her temper and going off on me during the episode. It was basically a public flogging. In her very over-dramatic way, she tried to paint me as spiritually unevolved for not "getting it like everybody else."<br />
She said I refused to have a "meeting of minds," and that dealing with me made her feel like she was "taking crazy pills." She told me I was a lost cause, and I was going to end up alone. She once again, mentioned that I reminded her of her client, Leslie, who had committed suicide. I told her that I was not going to be on anymore of these Shadow House episodes, and I felt it was best for me to work on my own issues at my own pace. I explained that this was because her shadow work methods were clearly not effective, nor were they having a healthy effect on me. Her and Fallon then enacted a fake adoption just so Teal could feel like she had some sort of control over me, I guess. She accused me on camera of being out to destroy her. She claimed that I was going to leave Utah and attempt to destroy her career. At the time, the thought hadn't even crossed my mind. All I could think of was getting as far away from her as possible. I also thought she was completely self-absorbed for even thinking I would waste any more of my energy on her.<br />
I now see that she was scared of what she foresaw in the future. It wasn’t that she was predicting it, it was that she was creating it through her terrible treatment of me. She knew I would eventually snap out of it and realize how much damage she is doing. She decided she had to sic her followers onto me. She was using a preemptive strike in order to polarize her followers into labeling me an "anti-Teal" (her term) who they must protect her against at all costs. After the onslaught of angry and abusive Facebook messages, emails, and Livestream comments I received after leaving Teal's Shadow House, I felt like it was best to stay silent rather than give any more fuel to Teal and her "army." I felt as though she made sure nobody would be interested in honestly listening to anything I would ever have to say. I didn’t bother defending myself. I just felt that one person railing against people she had already polarized against me was pretty futile at the time.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I would not have been able to do this last year, as I did not understand yet how messed up new age was. I was still trying defend it. My partner showed me sides of it I did not want to see, but I let myself see, because I did not want to be stuck in the bullshit. You see, I ended up in an abusive relationship. I knew he was a douche, but I thought my love and spirituality could change him. It was my mission to do so.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
People don’t see the ways that this is a microcosm of a larger problem. It affects everyone, and unless we all start changing, the system stays the same.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Abusers thrive on that. So many women and men in abusive situations are reading new age saying love your abuser and your love will change them. What in reality they see this as a weakness, and a way to abuse, control, and exploit you. So many say, “Oh you chose it. “Even this group in LA. The leader killed his wife, and everyone said, “Oh, let's send him love. I guess she chose it on a soul contract.” Talk about fucked. They let him get away with murder.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
So many say they will change, but they never do because they can not go deep enough. We have been conditioned to be shallow, to be followers, to only know what to think, rather than how to think.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Well, this is my problem. I know what to think, but I’m not sure I know how to think yet.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
My partner never fell victim to this stuff. He always could see it for what it is, even when he was living in India. India is said to be the spiritual homeland, but it's not. It’s the land of confusion according to him. The things he can tell you: like Amma, the hugging saint, is a billion dollar industry. Many reporters go there to investigate on missing money and mysteriously end up falling off the roof. 4 in a row. Namaste, love and light, eh?<br />
Yes it’s everyone’s problem, but everyone is too busy to realize it. They focus on everything but their intelligence. Intelligence and knowledge are not the same. Our posts are just ways to get people to think. We try so many ways. It’s so hard.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Hmmm. that is awesome.<br />
I keep hearing people like Teal say question everything, but I never see anyone doing it. I do feel like everyone is extremely conditioned. We are all on autopilot.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
We do. We always question. You will see, and we live by it, and stick to it. It’s my husband’s method, and I am like co founder. We have even worked with and talked to well known psychologists about this, as they are struggling with their profession. They have tons of clients, but what they have been taught in school is not working. Even in their own personal lives of these professionals are a mess. Everything is just a band aid addressing the symptoms and not the root. So the clients end up being more messed up than before.<br />
We want to bring this to universities to implement it, because it’s missing there. Those places are also conditioned with pride, identity, and so forth. We have no method or theory like most science has, so it drives them bonkers trying to understand how it can possibly work. So, we are creating a track record of before and after of a person’s confusion, and how they handle it<br />
Psychologists most of the time prescribe people drugs which is terrible. Or they try to up your self esteem by trying to make you fit into normality. But they cannot see that what is thought or conditioned to be normal in society is insane. So they cling to motivation, holistic, and quick fixes that are always temporary or a placebo effect. These then act like drug uppers and downers that people get addicted to and need more. That is what Teal is, a drug that people get addicted to. Of course they will protect their drug at all costs. We are like the ones who get you clean from the drugs. No one likes those guys. lol Especially on psychological withdrawals.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Hahaha. you are right. nobody likes those people when they are going through withdrawals. But such a necessary part of the process.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
The people we do coaching with are not like Tealers at all, we are not their drug or belief system either. They will not pick you apart like shadow work either.<br />
The reality is we were not born with any beliefs. They were pushed on us, then we convince ourselves that's reality, and that’s how things are. But it’s not so. We are not about positivity, anti-negativity, or high vibration crap either. No law of attraction or power of one. We show how they are all BS.<br />
Byron Katie for example is super unstable. She was in a mental house when she came up with “The Work” after staring at a cockroach. Then she decided to use her business background to become a spiritual speaker.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I knew she was a quack, and Teal was trying to push Byron Katie’s quackery on everyone with those damn shadow work processes like “Judge Your Neighbor” worksheets and “The Work.” Ugh.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Esther Hicks channeling Abraham<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
She is a quack too. The law of attraction is total bullshit. It keeps people delusional and trapped in willful denial, refusing to see things as they actually are. Her teachings make you fear your own negative thoughts. It just keeps you in polarity and duality thinking.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Bashar is a hollywood writer and actor for star wars. He can channel some being in the future, but he can not speak Japanese and needs a translator when in Japan. Nor can he give any invention to prove he is from the future.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I know Bashar is a total quack bag. After Teal, I'm convinced anyone claiming to be Arcturian needs to have their head checked.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Bashar also defines abundance as the ability to do what you want to do when you need to do it. Great advice. So if i'm a serial killer or Hitler, then what? They do not see how dangerous and stupid this stuff is making people.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
You are right! Examining stupid and dangerous beliefs, without inserting new stupid beliefs in their place like Teal does is the key. I like it a lot.<br />
My family has just now opened up to watching things like the Thrive documentary and David Icke.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Oh no.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I know, I need to stop the madness.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Thrive is terrible. David Icke, well, he has some interesting stuff, but he is out to lunch.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Hahaha. What happened to Icke?<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I still admire his courage, but at the same time, how many people freaked out about reptilians? Now, after watching videos of a person, wherever there is some pixelation, people claim they are shapeshifters. Every triangle is illuminati now to thanks to him, and people are not able to think while they listen to him speak.<br />
He is caught in his own conspiracies.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Ahhh ok. He’s caught up in the fear. I wondered why the illuminati would even let him live, unless he was doing them a favor.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
It’s true. No one called anyone a reptilian before Icke. It’s racist. Not all reptilians are blood drinking Illuminati, just a small percent. Not all sexy pleiadians, arcturians, andromedans, and whatthefuckians are good or benevolent either.<br />
Really none of them are good or bad, they are just confused. Some are just predators that prey off confusion, stupidity, and non-thinking. We allow it first ourselves. It starts in your mind. We give them permission first, then it gets mirrored outside into the world.<br />
That’s exactly why the Illuminati most likely lets him continue. He is doing a good job for them by making people think that the wizard behind the curtain is more badass then they can imagine. Word of mouth and smoke and mirrors make them seem more all powerful than they actually are. It’s like the kid’s telephone game.<br />
Your family is just going through the phases. They may freak out after a while looking at Illuminati stuff, and they too may look for an escape and solution and find another Teal. It’s classic. It happened to so many. You’re not the first, and you're not the last.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Oh. Awesome. I imagine that seems to be the natural process the spiritual predators like Teal are banking on too. <br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Do you know how Teal managed to meet this Sarbdeep guy anyway?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes, Sarbdeep and Teal met because he was her bodyguard at her first London workshop. He had previously worked in politics and security. Teal was paranoid and claiming to need protection due to an alleged death threat. Sarbdeep apparently volunteered to be Teal’s bodyguard, or was recommended by Pradeep Pranchimata or something. Pradeep is one of the guys who helped organize Teal's London workshop. Apparently it was love at first sight. All very convenient and tidy. I recognize her blue “wedding ring” she has on in her blog wedding picture. It is also the ring that Teal bought herself at a jewelry store when we were all in Santa Fe last year. It's all so weird.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
That is weird.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I don't know. After what had happened to me during her New York workshop, my mind was all over the Illuminati thing for a while.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
And married after only weeks. He feels like a real slimeball. I think he just wants to exploit her.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
It's incredibly strange, but then again this is Teal we are talking about. She is nothing if not impulsive with men. I imagine he does see an opportunity for sex, and dollars and cents to be made. Being a bodyguard and celebrity PA, he is likely to have a co-dependant rescuer personality type. He probably fell for Teal’s wounded bird act that she does so well. He likely needs to rescue a psychologically disturbed damsel in distress to feel like a real man. He has had some interesting connections. He was a personal assistant to Madonna and Daniel Craig.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I do not know who Daniel Craig is, but yes it is convenient.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
He is the A-list actor from the James Bond movies. Just another clueless chosen Illuminati pawn put out front keep the masses entertained and distracted from what is really going on.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Does Teal even need a bodyguard, or is it her obsession to be protected from something no one can protect her from. which is her mind?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
YES! YOU NAILED IT.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
We want people to protect us from our fears, but no one can protect us from our mind if we do not understand it. Our mind will turn on us, and make it hell for us.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal lives in a constant hell.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Teal deserves it. I know I sound cold, but you sow what you reap. It’s not karma, but you can't treat people like that, and expect to have a pleasant mind. She is raping her mind constantly in this way.<br />
I kind of upset LaVaughn, because I said soulmates is a new age scam. She did not like that concept at all. Some people want to cling to their stuff, but it’s the interest in that stuff that makes them bait for these con artists. Unfortunately, they refuse to see it. The value they place on their beliefs is more important than their intelligence. It’s baffling and shocking at the same time<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes, I do think LaVaughn has some beliefs for sure that are opposing to the direction you and your partner would like to see. I heard about soul retrieval from LaVaughn’s site, and I actually had one done with a shaman friend of hers that she highly recommended. I wasn't yet ready to publicly address the Teal situation when I began corresponding with LaVaughn. She understood, but I know she is on board with speaking out. She encouraged me to speak out about this at some point when I was ready.<br />
I agree Teal is in a prison of her own making. It isn't cold. It just is what it is.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Soul retrieval is dangerous too. Not because of evil spirits, but because you are just replacing one crazy belief system/healing method with another one. It’s understandable that people cannot see why right away. It takes time to understand and see why for themselves. They have to investigate and find out for themselves like what you're doing. You’re taking the time, so in time, it will be more clear why I say what I do.<br />
Though, I admit tact would help, if I had any. Yes, but nonetheless LaVaughn can still can help you, so that’s good. We do not have to go into the other stuff for now. It’s up to her if she wants to find out what that stuff really is and does.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
On the extrasensory front—Teal claims to have Synesthesia. She's had it since she was a child. It's a neurological disorder. She sees colors and tastes sounds, and all kinds of stuff.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I’ve heard of that. I even knew someone that had it. I do not think its fully true.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
So, that is why she probably makes up these stories of extrasensory abilities because she wants to feel special rather than defective. I think she was diagnosed as a child, because she was on sensory overload, and, her parents didn't know what to do with her.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
It’s an easy thing to fake that no one can disprove. Most people who have synesthesia have a need to be special, so that’s convenient. Like Teal’s psychic abilities that only work on things she does not want, and things not about her, but mainly about others. How convenient again. Her parents still don’t know what to do with her.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I know, but she could hear phone conversations when Blake was on the phone all the way upstairs. She seemed to know what I was saying on the other line. Her hearing is really sensitive. I’m thinking her brain is messed up. Wired different. Maybe a little autism. Not special powers.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Maybe, I will see what I can find out. But synesthesia can be seen as special powers.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Or just brain damage. Lol.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
A person has really good hearing if they are slightly deaf. Certain frequencies get heightened.<br />
Do you think she has an IQ of 170?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Could seizures have caused her kind of super sensitive hearing as well?<br />
As far as the IQ 170, idiot savant thing she claims to have going. Meh. I very much doubt it. I think she has done an awful good job of absorbing and parroting a lot of new age jargon from a lot of different sources. It's almost like everything she has ever read about, seen, or heard she remembers and can parrot on cue. She may have better memory than many people. I think an idiot savant is often a person with Asperger’s Syndrome. Just a high functioning autistic. Autistic people also can't relate well with others, and Teal is certainly emotionally/socially retarded in many ways. Autistic people are also the only ones in their world who have feelings. I think Asperger’s Syndrome is the least likely explanation in Teal’s case though. It leaves too many holes. I feel as though she has studied socially acceptable responses to people’s pain and fakes her way through understanding their emotions by tapping into how she feels and projecting that onto others. She responds mechanistically to most emotional situations, and in my observation there wasn’t any genuine empathy behind any of her actions. I felt like there was always a manipulative angle behind everything she did to make her appear in a certain light. I don't know what your thoughts are on the pathology of someone like Teal who was raised in a good family and turned out the way she has, but if she isn't a psychic vampire, leviathan, or reptilian. I think she suffers from a co-occurrence of Borderline Personality Disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder and some sort of psychopathy. I think the Dissociative Identity Disorder schtick is something she confabulated, and she was likely misdiagnosed with during treatment with Barbara Snow. I feel like she is using DID, along with her satanic abuse backstory to manipulate, control, and guilt her family, followers, and men in her life into being her narcissistic food supply. DID is just a convenient cover up for her real disorders.<br />
Synesthesia was just one of the unanswered questions that cropped up.<br />
I also gathered some more research on Teal’s old therapist Barbara Snow. This could be where Teal’s idea that she was ritually abused by Mormon Satanists came from. Evidently, Barbara Snow has been on the trail of the Mormon Satanists for quite a while, and she has been penalized for her obsession. She was even caught by police implanting false memories in patients of hers who came forward as witnesses during an investigation, and Barbara took a voluntary suspension. If Barbara was creating false memory in clients, a borderline patient like Teal would’ve been particularly vulnerable. Borderlines have a very weak ego structure, and define themselves by people they feel close to. It seems like Teal was already a very unstable woman when she went to see Barbara, who also happened to be a therapist with an agenda. Teal likely came out of five years of therapy with Barbara Snow. even more screwed up than when she went in.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
That’s a good question about seizures. I will see what i can find out. has she had them all her life?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I don't know if Teal has had seizures all her life, or at what age she began having them.<br />
I noticed Teal was particularly adept at trying to implant memories in all of us at vulnerable moments. It's like when you are in a state of shock or exhausted after a long game of her mental chess/shadow work, she would shock you with explicit details while walking you through some horrendous “memory” that she supposedly knew had happened to you. Later on, when you have recovered from the shock of it all, it’s difficult to decipher which part of the memory actually came from you, and what came from Teal. It's creepy. It's how she convinced Justin that he was brutally sodomized and had spikes driven through his body by gray aliens. Teal walked him through an alleged abduction describing what had happened to Justin and his sister to the point he was SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER upstairs. He threw something and almost broke her sliding glass closet door. I was so scared when I heard him that I thought I was going to have to call 911. He seemed to me to be having a psychotic break. Teal was the one guiding him through and describing the process. She also followed up with trauma release exercises, where he would have to exhaust his leg muscles by doing squats and then allowing his legs to convulse on the floor. I found this interesting to compare with how Teal dealt with her alleged “trauma” by inducing a sort of pseudoseizure after she would walk herself through reliving an alleged traumatic memory. Justin had also considered driving right back home shortly after he had arrived at Teal’s. Teal had at one point convinced him that if he did leave, he would be a match to suicide. Needless to say, Justin ended up staying in Utah.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Well most people who see therapists do end up being more screwed up, so that is not surprising. Yes, I know how implanting works, and that is the prime time when to implant and manipulate. My gosh, I wonder if she studied this too. So if she can give others fake memories, she can do the same to herself.<br />
She wants everyone to be as hurt and messed up as her, so they can relate to her, protect her, and praise her.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I think she can give the memories to herself now, but the therapist is the one who got the ball rolling. Teal probably confabulated on the foundation that was laid by Barbara Snow. She probably learned the process from her. Barbara sees a lot of ritual abuse victims. That's a strange specialty for a therapist. I even personally know someone who went to see Barbara Snow for treatment, and upon her very first visit, Barbara tried to say that this person had repressed memories. This person then went for a second opinion to a different therapist in the area who revealed that Barbara has a terrible reputation in the community for thinking every patient and their dog has been raped and has repressed memories.<br />
Yes, I do think Teal wanted us all to be as messed up as her, so that we would not see her for what she was. She wanted us to protect her while being her narcissistic food supply and looking to her for answers.<br />
I haven't managed to tell the full story of all that happened to anyone aside from Scott who was a former Tealer whom I trusted. It was a huge comfort being able to tell at least one other person who was far enough removed from Teal's inner circle, but who had also gotten close enough to Teal and Blake to recognize and understand what was going on. I met Scott at Teal's Santa Barbara workshop. Scott and Blake invited me out to a breakfast with Blake and Teal the day after her workshop. Scott had actually made the first official donations to Teal Eye LLC at that time, but then became disillusioned with Teal and Blake at the same time I had. He had even made the decision to move down to Utah at the same time I had, but fortunately for him, he never took the leap. He was a huge support for me after Shadow House, and was actually the first person who reached out to me on Facebook and recommended that I get away from those guys in Utah after seeing the unhealthy atmosphere on camera. I have learned through that whole mess that suppressing and refusing to examine painful experiences is really not the answer. I actually drove to visit Scott for a bit after I left Utah. Together, we tried to sort through a lot of the confusing and warped belief systems we had adopted since finding Teal. She certainly did some damage to the trust instincts, and took us both for one hell of a painful and confusing ride.<br />
Teal used and manipulated Scott as well. I watched how Teal runs her game on nearly everyone she meets in person at her book-signings and workshops. I think the ideal marks for her are single, lonely, individuals. People who meet Teal in person are usually star struck, and thus are in an easily suggestible state. They only see and hear what they want to during these meet and greets with Teal. They believe Teal speaks to them on a personal level, because she either recognizes them from another life or because she is psychic. In reality, Teal is just very manipulative, and adept at playing off of people’s outwardly apparent deficiencies. Teal appeals to people’s need for significance, often resorts to unctuous flattery, and tells people what she thinks they want to hear to feed their egos and their need to feel special when she meets her fans in person. The first thing Teal told Scott who is nearly 60 years old and new to spirituality was that she had been waiting for him when he met her in person at her workshop. Scott told me that at first, he didn't really believe he was sexually attracted to her in any way, but it felt like she was almost coming onto him with her full body hugs and manipulative whispers of, "I love you" in his ear. She told him that they were lovers in several past lifetimes, and that they were going to be together again in this one. She even sent him a hand written thank you letter where she said meeting him was like reuniting a lost piece of her soul. Scott said he was so hypnotized by Teal after meeting her at her workshop, that he went home and donated a large sum of money to Teal Eye for a healing school that Teal apparently told him that he would be instrumental in helping her to start up one day. He even gave his notice at his job, got a buyer for his house, and told all of his family and friends about his plans to move down to Utah to help start up this school. Fortunately for him, he didn’t make the leap after one more breakfast in which Teal evaded all of his questions. After inquiring further about Teal’s plans for the school via emails, and during another workshop in the months that followed, Scott was effectively stonewalled by Teal, Blake, and Fallon. No healing school has been mentioned since. It was interesting to note that upon our first meeting with Teal at breakfast, Teal said the reason that Scott and I were getting along so well, and making such a connection was because he was actually my father in a past life. She claimed that he had abandoned our family in that life to become part of some religious order, and that eventually he became addicted to opium. She claimed it was a reunion, and she told me that it was very healing for Scott who had been carrying a lot of guilt. My contact with Scott was intermittent after that first meeting, but I did keep in touch with him via Facebook after that. I couldn’t help but notice that as soon as Scott started asking questions about the healing school, Teal vilified him behind his back to me and the other house members. Teal even discouraged me going to visit him, because she claimed he was some sort of a womanizer. Then, when we met up with him at her Santa Fe workshop, Teal was polite to him in person, but when we got into the car Teal, debriefed us with her usual shit-talking session about her fans after the workshops. I said that Scott invited me to come hang out with him and a group of the other Tealers at a big hotel suite that night. I only mentioned it to Teal, because I knew that Fallon and her might want some alone time at their hotel. They were trying to have a baby at that time, and I figured it might be fun for me to go socialize and take Scott up on that offer. But Teal interrupted with an outburst saying, “GOD, Scott is such a Succubus!”<br />
I was confused and alarmed by this at the time. First of all, I didn’t really think a man could be a succubus. Secondly, shouldn’t Teal’s psychic powers have picked up on this fact during her and Scott’s first meeting, before she decided to accept his donation? Lastly, I had been visiting with Scott over the course of the entire evening, and I didn’t feel any adverse effects or dangerous vibes coming from him. I explained this to her, and she claimed that the reason I didn’t feel it was because unbeknownst to me, she had been doing energy work on me all night to counteract him. (Wow…Thanks Teal… My very own unsung hero… Pffft…!! Lol). I eventually came to realize that this was total BS, and that this vilification of Scott was just a pattern with Teal. I don’t know if being a succubus is some deep seated insecurity of Teal’s or what, but once again, Teal projected her own brand of crazy onto someone and tried to discredit him to her followers, when he began asking questions and seeing through her charade. There are many adjectives I would use to describe Teal, but truthful and psychic wouldn’t be among them. I am glad I did not listen to Teal’s psychic character assassination of Scott. He has become one of my very good friends, and he is about as far away from a succubus as any man can get.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
So many people that she has scorned and screwed are just waiting, but why have they all stayed silent?<br />
So, we have Teal to seduce the men.<br />
And Blake to seduce the woman.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I know, it's sick.<br />
I found it interesting that most everyone in that house had some strange label for their sexual preferences. Flavia was a lesbian. Bonnie was pansexual. Graciela was a virgin, but Teal said she had the hots for her. Justin was gay, but he did say he would go straight just for Teal more than once. Teal, Blake, and Fallon are bi-sexual. I believe Mark (her ex husband) and myself were identified as straight. So, that was quite the mix. Everyone in that group either had a previous or current sexual relationship with Teal, or they admitted to wanting one with her. I was the only one not sexually attracted to Teal. From the beginning, I was only ever interested in being a friend to Teal and working with our group for a cause I believed in. Teal confessed she was confused by this, and didn’t really know where to put me. She said she was always confused about why any straight girls would ever want to be her friend. She claimed that due to her cult programming and her competitive mother daughter childhood dynamic, she assumed I either wanted to hurt her, destroy her, or get in the way of her and her men. She said the fact that I would only want to be her friend was a foreign concept to her. I believed her stories of abuse at that time, and I felt sorry for her when she told me that she felt that way about me. I actually felt like it must be a terrible way to live, thinking everyone who is nice and wants to be your friend only does so because they want to have sex with you. I was even naively hoping to be an example of how that isn’t always the way it has to be. This was to no avail, since Teal’s sexual allure is all part of the strange hold she uses to control and manipulate the people in her sphere. I think this lack of control over me was a main reason I was also the first person to leave our group. I have since learned that this is a pretty common control dynamic between cult leaders and cult members.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yeah, that is quite the mix. Yes, it is very common to find this sort of thing in cults.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Back to why people stay silent. Teal tries to make people seem like they are crazy when they leave her sphere. It’s actually called “gaslighting” in the psychological community and it is a hallmark of people with NPD. She projects her own disorders and toxic behavior onto other people in order to make it seem like they are the ones who have the problems. She does this under the guise of helping them, so most go off to suffer in silence and beat themselves up for not being good enough for Teal. They’ve often spent so much time twisting themselves into psychological pretzels just to please Teal, whom they believe is trying to help them, that it doesn’t occur to them that they are not even the ones with the problem. Teal is the borderline/narcissist, yet she projects her own disturbed pathology onto the people closest to her, and after prolonged exposure, it is contagious. If the all knowing, benevolent, ET Teal can’t help them, or doesn’t like them, well they also start to internalize the idea that they must really be messed up. Maybe they even start believing that NOBODY can help them.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Very good, and very accurate . Yes, that is why they stay silent, and if we set this ball rolling, imagine how many others would come forward?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I also think Scott was embarrassed that Teal initially passed his bs test, and he was taken for a ride. I think deep down, he felt stupid for falling for her nonsense. So, embarrassment may also be another reason people may choose to stay silent.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I wonder how many guys and girls she has told they were special to her, and had been lovers with her in past lives. Gosh so much sex. Sex with everyone. I do not want to see her future community, or even how she would rule her countries. Constant orgies. Sorry Teal, it’s not possible to have sex with everyone from past lives and this life.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal even told Justin that he was her Japanese Samurai husband in a past life. Teal told Justin and Graciela that they were also both her most devoted female worshippers serving her during her days as Shirdi Sai Baba in the temple. They both believed Teal wholeheartedly, which seemed to further solidify in their minds that it was always meant to be for them to be working for her again in this life.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
What did Teal see you doing for her and her mission? I mean surely they considered you useful with your past skills and job experience. <br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
True to form, Teal was vague in describing my exact role for her mission. Shortly after I arrived to Utah, as we were gathered around Teal’s kitchen table, I mentioned I felt like I would end up leaving this group eventually. Teal confirmed that yes, it was a possibility, but also stated rather cryptically that I would regret it. Teal also mentioned that my strengths were in organization, and although she knew that I didn’t yet believe I had found my soul’s purpose in life, she assured me that I had already found it. To say that I harbored some serious doubts about the likely success of Teal’s grandiose mission and my role in it, would be an understatement. I expressed my concerns to Teal in the car on the way to her Santa Fe workshop, and she explained that she viewed all of us “volunteers” a little bit like thoroughbred horses that had been thrown together. She said we were still in training. She claimed that she wasn’t giving up on me, because she saw the future where I reminded her of the racehorse Seabiscuit, and I would be a very integral piece in helping with her mission. Blake, in particular, asked for my help in coordinating the volunteers, and planning Teal’s workshops and interviews. He was under a lot of pressure to do all the organizing himself.<br />
I just wanted to take this opportunity to again point out that these psychic powers Teal claims to have NEVER seemed to be accurate. I’ve seen more accurate predictions in fortune cookies. Just sayin’.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I want people to be aware of Teal’s patterns, so when they see her doing this to them, they can bust her right then and there. I want people to recognize this stuff so they are not only just able to bust Teal, but many other new age scam artists like her one after the other.<br />
What’s her ex-husband Mark like?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal’s ex-husband Mark? It’s a long story.<br />
I felt like Teal was almost trying to push her ex-husband on me at one point. I’m still not completely sure what her game was. I didn’t know if she was testing me to find out my level of interest or what, but it was an awkward conversation.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yeah, that is strange. I would feel awkward about that too. I’m amazed Graciela has been able to stay a virgin around those sex psychos.<br />
By the way, my partner has the same kind of super hearing you were mentioning with Teal. I’m going to look up seizures, who they effect, and what kind of effects on people’s psyche they can have. My partner says Teal is not a psychic, she is just a psychotic. You are correct about her not being able to feel empathy if she had Asperger's autism perhaps, but she is supposedly so sensitive and feels everything. She claims to feel everyone else’s pain because we’re all one, which is why she is on this Joan of Arc mission.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal has an overtly sexual nature. I quickly learned that nobody in her presence for long is exempt from hearing her gloating tales meant to illustrate her sexual prowess. She even made a couple of passes at me just to test the waters. These passes consisted of several vulgar and aggressively blunt sexual remarks addressed to me at different times. They seemed like tests for her to gauge how I would respond. I always responded calmly and rationally, and I did nothing to encourage any further advances. These comments might have flattered some girls or even been a turn on in some circles, but they came across as sleazy and disingenuous to me. They only ever had the effect of making me feel uneasy about Teal’s intentions. I assumed an intuitive like Teal would have been able to see what I was feeling, and I figured she knew when she was making me uncomfortable, but she just didn’t care. Teal eventually understood I wanted nothing to do sexually with her, or her exes. Although, I think she would have been nicer to me if she thought I was attracted to her like the other guys and girls were. Blake didn't work out, because he had already lied to me about the relationship he had with Teal, so I couldn't trust him. She finally tried to test out whether I would go for her ex-husband. She asked me one night how I felt about Mark. I just told her that he was a very nice guy, but I’m not exactly sure what he wants. She told me he was interested in a relationship. I told her I wasn't ready for a relationship with anyone at that time. I told her I was in too selfish of a place to be in a relationship, and I needed to work on myself. I told her that if I am not happy with the relationship I have with myself, a relationship with somebody else isn’t going to end up being what I want either. Teal immediately scoffed at this idea. She tried to do shadow work with me after that. She even proffered the argument that relationships are the heart of expansion. She seemed frustrated with me when I was still resistant to the idea of jumping headfirst into a relationship. I had refused to buy her load of BS. By that time, I had made up my mind that Teal was the last person I would ever take relationship advice from. I could already tell that Teal’s idea of a relationship was my nightmare. I was actually terrified at the thought of getting emotionally entangled with any guy connected to Teal.<br />
Teal tried to make it seem like the fact that she could remain living in the same house with her exes and current lovers was an attestment to how conscious, evolved, and progressive her “intentional community” was. In reality, she basically sucked the life out of both Mark and Blake, and I was watching as she was completely turning Fallon into her puppet. These guys were completely brainwashed puppies when it came to her. Before filming our second to last live stream webisode of Shadow House, Teal insistently begged her newly-ex-husband Mark to join the group of us, around her kitchen table, in order to participate on camera in the show. He actually refused, but it was clear that Teal was not used to him telling her no. In response to her repeated pleas, Mark eventually asked Teal why she wanted him to be on camera so badly. She said, “Because. Because I want you to.”<br />
Not meaning to be insulting, I suggested that if Mark was on the show, perhaps it would show how amicable Teal’s divorce was, and she could show her audience how she and Mark were still cohabiting in an intentional community.<br />
Teal instantly took offense and went on a seething tirade, saying, “That’s the bitchiest thing you’ve ever said to me! See-- this is exactly why I need to only have famous friends, because people think I’m always concerned about my image, and famous friends would understand me better.”<br />
I noticed that Mark would come running whenever she called. Mark had also spent the most amount of time in therapy with Teal, so it was almost like Teal needed Mark to stick around and train the new men in Teal’s life how to handle Teal. They needed to be by her side to walk her through all of her various theatrical mental breakdowns and “triggered” episodes that she was experiencing almost daily around that time. Mark and Blake stayed living in the bedrooms on either side of Teal’s while she was fucking Fallon in the middle room upstairs. I don't even know where to begin with how strange that living environment is. I got the impression that Mark stayed for Teal’s mental stability, and their son’s sake. Mark shared his room with Winter across from Teal at that time. I don't know why Mark would put himself through that situation, unless he was seriously worn down by Teal or incredibly masochistic.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Sex is a good way to manipulate and control. She thought she could convert you or control anyone she wanted with her powers, and you proved her wrong. So you were obviously crazy, evil. Lol.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I now see how having me see her ex could have been another form of control for Teal. If she could control the man I was seeing, she could potentially control me. Plus, I think Teal may have at first even considered it a convenient situation to have another person taking care of her son.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
When my partner made his pictures of Teal, people were like. oh, he has a crush on her. He was like, ”Eww. I’d rather Spock or Captain Kirk if I had to choose between the three.” And he is not gay at all. I thought that was pretty funny. I wished Teal could have heard it.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Haha! Spock over Teal any day. Gay or straight, that is definitely the better choice!<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
How did Mark feel about being offered to you?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I never could tell what Mark actually felt. Mark is one of the first people I’ve ever met that I wasn’t able to get an emotional read on right away. I even told him so. Mark shows very little emotion. He did seem interested at first. He also seemed very sweet, considerate, and intelligent after spending more time around him. He was a really good dad to Winnie too. He showed up at my apartment once when I was sick with the flu. He got my phone number from Fallon, and texted me from the parking lot asking to come up to check on me. I didn't want to let him in at first, because I don't really like company when I am ill. But, I did end up letting him come in, and he just stayed overnight with his hand on my stomach. He also come downstairs when we were at Teal's house, and we just laid in bed and watched movies. Nothing ever happened.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
My partner is like, who the heck wants to stay with a woman like that? It’s clear it would be total hell.<br />
So Mark was under order to seduce you as well, but you had to make the first move? Why did Teal chose to marry Mark of all the partners she can have? What could he do for her that others could not?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
If I had shown more interest, I think something absolutely could have happened with Mark. Mark is an incredibly patient, consistent, and laid back guy. He had also been the financial breadwinner during the course of their marriage. It seemed that he allowed Teal to easily manipulate and mold him into what she wanted. I think he had the right personality and temperament to be able to put up with her high maintenance, narcissistic theatrics without getting too stressed or emotional himself over the years. She puts a whole lot of pressure on her men, and relies on them heavily for every aspect of her well being. Teal is the only one allowed to have volatile emotions, so Mark’s laid back, stoic nature would be a good fit for Teal. There aren’t too many men I’ve met who would be willing to put up with Teal long term the way Mark was able to hang in there. But Mark still seemed almost like a zombie to me once Teal was through with him. I feel like in order to cohabitate with Teal for very long, the men in her life almost act like they have undergone a partial lobotomy.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
How do these people not have sexual diseases?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Teal explained once why she had never gotten an STD. She claimed she had never known anything other than a promiscuous lifestyle from the time was young. Therefore, she didn’t have the same conditioning around sex that most people have. Teal claimed she didn’t have fear, resistance, and guilt around the subject of sex in general. Teal stated that the reason people end up being a vibrational match to STDs in the first place is ALWAYS due to their fear of, resistance to, and guilt surrounding the act of sex. So, basically, Teal claimed that her childhood abuse allowed her vibration relative to sex to remain so high, that she was immune to STDs.<br />
I was relieved that other people in the spiritual community are finally willing to point out what Teal is about. You and Lavaughn seem to be getting the ball rolling so far. I’ve met several other psychics and shaman that quietly warn clients like myself about the dangers of getting mixed up with Teal, but they refrain from going public with this information. It's like they want to ride Teal's coattails. They know she is bad news, but they won't dare say anything, because they might not get a chance at an interview with her, or invite her to a conference that would boost their ratings.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
For us, we were upset at how so many people were saying your work and Teal’s work are so similar, because we both deal with fear. So we decided to check her out. We soon learned that we’re not the same at all. She is the total opposite of what we are trying to do. Then we had people writing us saying, “ I love your work, and Teal’s.” We were concerned. People would always be saying, “Yes I agree with you that most new age speakers are a scam, but not Teal.” Ugh.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
No way. That's terrible.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Yes it was so offensive. So we started investigating, but my partner had her pegged from the get-go. Unfortunately, she just kept being mentioned to us. So we realized that many that follow us still do not understand what we are trying to do. So we decided, let’s help them to understand what we are trying to do via Teal as an example. Teal is just one of many other scam artists we use like Tolle, Wilcock, Amma, Deepak, Lilou, Clair Prophet, and so many others.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I see how people get addicted to their spiritual drug dealers who are dispensing new beliefs that will allow them to feel better about their painful situations. It absolves them from responsibility to actually make changes in their lives, because everything is so divine and perfect the way it is. I was really stuck on another guru’s teachings, right up until I found you guys. This guru mentions quite frequently our galactic brothers and sisters coming to assist. I may have unfortunately only replaced one fucked up belief system with another after Teal.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
I think ET’s are freaked out and want nothing to do with humans. Confusion in contagious. Are we really so naive to think we can escape our responsibility and messes so easily? How can we believe that ET’s will come and save us and fix everything and clean our mess for us? How will we ever learn or understand, if we are all hopped up on bliss and love?<br />
If you were an ET, would you want to channel or talk to a human knowing how messed up and confused they are? Would you contact a human knowing they would most likely deem themselves “special” and make a circus road show out of your message, twisting it into shit about abundance and such?<br />
I guess in Teal’s head she thinks its fine to make up stories about satanic cult abuse. For one, she has a morbid fascination with it, and maybe even a fantasy of it. Like you noted, she even mentioned having rape fetishes with Fallon. Also in Teal’s mind it is true, because it did happen to others but they are not public about it. So Teal feels she is exposing the satanic cults by speaking out about them in this way. She is actually promoting and protecting them as well. If that really happened to her, why does she not not go after them directly? Why doesn’t she find the evidence or families of the children she helped lure and kill.<br />
Also if she has a super memory, how come she reads her own script for her videos? Its obvious she is reading because her eyes look away like she is reading from a teleprompter. It’s very journalistic. I bet you know exactly how those videos are born and put together<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Yes, I watched what she does. She would usually type her episodes up a couple of hours before Blake filmed her. She doesn't practice reading or anything. I've watched her. Blake has what she typed on a screen in front of her. Then she posts what she typed up in her Ask Teal episode in the articles section on her site. She goes off script at times, but only occasionally. She probably only spends about 3-5 hours a week, total prepping to make those ask Teal videos, and that's being generous. Blake shoots and edits the videos, adds the backgrounds and pictures, and does all the technical stuff. She just critiques it, and has him tweak things sometimes before Blake uploads the video.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
What is up with her terrible, crappy, church stain glass window art that is said to activate your 3rd eye or some stupid shit like that? It does not activate your brain, that’s for sure.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I feel like so many people are hypnotized or brainwashed by that crappy art. I have honestly wondered what kind of portals, or childish black magic sigils she is trying to include in her “art.”<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
It really is terrible. Its like a four year-old colored it. But stamp the word divine on this, make false promises about it, and there you go. People flock to it. My goodness we were not born this stupid.<br />
So Teal’s pictures do not work online. You have to buy them for them to actually activate your second anus or something? Wow, how convenient.<br />
Back to her videos. If she has a super memory, why does she need to read and rehearse? And laugh at odd times? Does she rehearse for her conferences to?<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
Haha! Activate your second anus? That’s hilarious. Well, her artwork claims are just that ridiculous. Fallon did say if we wanted to try to go for something actionable, we should try to get the FDA to go after Teal for the medical claims she says about her paintings. She claims her paintings have healing effects on people, and this should legally be evaluated, or the FDA could shut her down.<br />
My mom actually tried to warn me about Teal’s odd laughing too. She saw one of her videos before I moved down to Utah. It was on autism, and I showed it to her, because we have some autistic cousins in our family. My mom just stopped the video and said, "she laughs at inappropriate times." She couldn’t even finish watching it. That was a red flag in itself. Hello Cameron, that woman is completely unhinged. SIGH. It's so hard when I look back at stuff sometimes.<br />
As far as the super memory thing goes in regards to reading a script during her Ask Teal videos, that’s a good question. I don’t exactly know why she needs to read a script . Maybe because she doesn’t have to think so hard, and also her eyes might even be moving back and forth so much because she is so busy admiring herself in the the two different camera angle monitors Blake shoots her with.<br />
No, her workshops are live, not rehearsed. She calls audience members up for questions. She claims to read their vibrations and chooses audience members with questions that would most benefit the collective asking by having them come up on stage. She claims that by doing it this way, she is synchronizing the vibrations of the entire audience. I have noticed though, that she usually picks people she knows or recognizes from previous workshops or her meet and greets. Not to mention the fact that for being able to see people’s thoughts and vibrations, she has been entirely OFF in picking audience members at times. One odd woman just came up on stage and stared Teal down during her Santa Fe workshop. That left most people feeling eerie rather than synchronized and high vibrational. Then there was a guy that just came up and started singing a song to Teal instead of asking a question at her New York workshop. It seemed like that caught Teal by surprise, and I caught an eye roll from her. I talked to quite a few people who had some very good questions ready, and they had paid money to see Teal. Several people actually expressed that they were kind of annoyed that she wasted everyone’s time using her psychic powers to read the vibration of a goofy guy who wanted to come up and show off by singing her a song.<br />
I did have a really weird experience with her jewelry. Teal thought that Blake had put one of her pendants together backwards or with the picture upside down at one point. The guys in the house had tested it, and I just happened to show up after they were done. I walked in, and the first thing Fallon says is, “try this on and tell me where you feel it.” I didn't even look at the pendant or have a clue what it was. Fallon put it on me, and I said, “throat,” because I felt it tingling. Then Fallon flipped the pendant around and asked where I felt it again. I said I feel something in my heart, because I felt a tingling sensation in my chest area. They all looked shocked. Especially Teal. Apparently, that pendant was actually her painting that was supposedly made to help a person speak from the heart. It was supposedly backwards, according to Teal, which is why all the guys reported that they were feeling it in their root chakra. I don’t know. I wasn't a fan of her art at all, but I really did feel tingling in those areas when Fallon put the pendant on me. So I don't know if she is affecting people's energies with this crap. Even the fact that I felt it the way I was supposed to, and Teal thought it was backwards, kind of has me worried.<br />
A lot of people report feeling agitated by staring at Teal’s “art” for long.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
Again, it’s the power of suggestion, hypnosis, and yes manipulation of energies or a person’s mind. No matter what, in that situation, she looks like she really is a psychic, and therefore, seems more legit to everyone. It makes her look like she knows what she is doing with her paintings. But Teal is on a train heading off the cliff, and she is about to take many with her. If she is stopped from doing what she is doing, then her followers would have to go back home and find out their parents are not as bad as Teal made them out to be.<br />
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CAMERON CLARK<br />
I was unsuspecting with that pendant scenario. I didn't even see the pendant when Fallon put it on me, nor did I know the backstory. I did not know what the painting was, until after I had already told them what I felt. I actually felt those things. How could I have been hypnotized or suggested?<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
When you’re around them, they can make you feel what they want. Even far away, the power of suggestion is very strong and used in marketing a lot. But even if you feel something in your throat or heart, does that help your mind and your confusion? Or is it just an impressive party trick? The mind is still struggling, and still a mess. All that Teal can do, all her powers and connection to source, or whatever she claims, can not help her help herself . They cannot help her mind, nor anyone else’s mind. They are all still a mess and addicted to whatever bread crumbs she throws out just to show others that she can.<br />
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Hmmmm. No, I didn't understand. I was confused. The fact that she claimed the pendant was actually backwards, but I felt tingling in the areas it was supposed to be working, did NOT bolster my faith in Teal’s abilities one bit. So, I wasn't sure why she would have done something like that.<br />
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JESSICA SCHAB<br />
It gives her more validation.<br />
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Ahhhh. That makes sense. It was to impress Fallon I’m sure. Ok. Lol.<br />
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It was to impress everyone, even herself. It was to make her feel that she really is special and better than everyone else. It was to make people feel like her. even though she is unable to feel others pain just her own. No one will ever be able to heal like her.<br />
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I know. Teal is hands down the most narcissistic person I’ve ever met. Her grandiosity is astounding. She would constantly proclaim that she is the best at everything she does. Teal said, ‘I don’t know of any other energy healers that can heal the way I do, or that can do what I do... I’m the best spiritual teacher. I’m the best at what I do..”<br />
Teal said that she could never have any close female relationships, because they always ended up turning on her after becoming too jealous and insecure about Teal’s beauty.<br />
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I saw in her videos how she always mentions she is the best, and so smart, and so pretty, and blah blah blah… She is such a big fan of herself. I watched like 5 mins of the master manifestor tea time video, and wrote so many comments there. Surprisingly, they have not been deleted. Did you ever see any drug use while in that house?<br />
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The only drug use I saw was when Blake took a whole eye dropper full of medicinal Cannabis oil and was sick and throwing up for two days straight. Teal was furious when it happened, because she claimed he had relapsed after 10 years, and it was a trigger for her. She threw the bottle away.<br />
I thought it was odd. Teal made it seem as if it was Blake who had a drug problem when they met 10 years ago.I was told that Teal was hooked on drugs as well, due to her abuser supposedly injecting her with Ketamine. My guess is that the were both were co-dependant drug users when they met, and they likely "recovered" together.<br />
Teal had previously mentioned being addicted and doing cocaine and ketamine when she was a model during her teenage years. She explained it away, saying it was because her abuser had injected her with ketamine and other psychedelics so often as a child. I didn't see how that was like cocaine at the time, but whatever. I suppose it could lead to other dependency. The other thing I know is that people who do Ketamine sometimes experience what is referred to as the “K-hole.” Ketamine users often come back reporting mystical, grandiose experiences after their out of body hallucinations. I wonder if Teal confabulated her back stories based on some trippy drug experiences from her days of admittedly being a K-head.<br />
Teal also recommended I take Ayahuasca. I thought it was odd that I was the only one in the house she "prescribed" (her word) Ayahuasca to. She got me connected with a legal group and everything. The first time was very interesting. Very mild auditory and a few visual hallucinations. I made some life affirming connections, but I just had other expectations after that I guess. I didn't even get sick like everyone else, so I thought I was doing it wrong. I was not overly impressed the second time I went. I spent hundreds of dollars, and I don't think it really changed much for me.<br />
I also know that a married couple who Teal was renting her basement out to before the cult arrived ended up leaving in a hurry. The husband called the cops on Teal soon after we first got there. I remember Teal was freaked out saying police were a “trigger” for her. Teal had apparently violated their lease agreement or something weird along those lines. So, that was another red flag that was overlooked.<br />
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So Teal’s former tenants called the cops on Teal for violating their lease agreement.<br />
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It’s not her psychotic abuser’s fault she was on drugs. He must know her well, if she chose to pin it all on him. I wonder what he has on her? Hahaha yeah, ketamine is nothing like cocaine. Ah, so that is what she means in her blogs when she says, “ I was out of body again today”. It’s just a show. Most likely she is pulling from her experiences of a past mixture of drugs for sure. Ayahuasca can mess people up too. You did it? Ah, you wrote about it. I see. You are not affected by it. How strange she recommended that just you should take it. Maybe to control you better? I wonder how much Teal gets for being a spiritual pimp and recommending people to this ayahuasca group?<br />
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<b>NOTE</b>-- <i>Given my work schedule, I find that I don't have time to field comments. If you wish to comment on this topic, a continued discussion is welcomed in the comments section of <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2014/10/former-insider-teal-is-deluded-and.html">this post</a>.</i><br />
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Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03507442518292568083noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-945235709424657370.post-34692359534222938392015-09-26T16:49:00.000-07:002017-07-14T15:59:22.702-07:00An Open Letter To Gabriel Morris Regarding Teal Swan – UPDATE: Gabriel's Non-Response<i>Appearing at <a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/">The Truth About Cameron</a> and <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/">Celestial Reflections</a>.</i><br />
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<a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2015/09/an-open-letter-to-gabriel-morris.html#nonresponse">UPDATE: Gabriel's Non-Response (See Below)</a><br />
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Recently Gabriel "Kundalini" Morris wrote a <a href="http://gabrielmorris.blogspot.com.co/2015/09/the-teal-swan-controversy-is-teal-swan.html">blog post</a> taking me to task on my public statements about Teal Swan. He also challenged an upcoming release of an interview with Teal's alleged abuser. What follows is my response to his blog post.<br />
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Dear Gabriel,<br />
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Thank-you for initiating a public dialog regarding our diverging views on Teal Swan. I'd like to address a number of the points you raised in your blog post. I’m not going to address your speculation about what actually transpired between Teal and her alleged abuser and where she stayed and when, because speculation is all that it is. You’ve created a logical house of cards based entirely on Teal’s statements without even seeing what the man she’s accused of all these things has to say. You are welcome to <a href="http://thetruthaboutcameron.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-complete-interview-of-teal-swans.html">read the interview with Teal's alleged abuser</a> and draw your own conclusions. A number of the other questions you raise, however, I can speak to. I feel much of what you wrote misrepresented and misstated me. For that and other reasons, I feel the need to respond to your blog and let a clear public record stand. I will be addressing your points in no particular order.<br />
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"There wouldn't be much of a controversy surrounding Teal Swan if it wasn't for Cameron Clark. Cameron is, to the best of my knowledge, the only person who has actually met Teal and spent significant time with her, who is now publicly speaking critically of her. There are other critics certainly, but not people who have spent significant time with her and are now speaking publicly and forcefully about her."</blockquote>
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Well, that’s awfully specific. So, only a person who has spent significant time with Teal and who is also speaking out “forcefully” is to be taken seriously as a critic? You seem to have narrowed the scope in order to deliberately exclude a slew of critics and disenfranchised followers. Many people other than myself have enjoyed condemnation by Teal and even death threats from her followers for critiquing and questioning her public record and behavior. You’re not even considering Fallon, her former live-in boyfriend, whom she publicly humiliated by proclaiming a psychopath and who has since written publicly about his experiences in her “cult.” There was controversy long before I spoke out, and no doubt, it would continue if I went silent tomorrow. <br />
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What about her followers? The vast majority of them haven’t spent significant time with her either. Does that make their fondness for her equally meaningless? Gabriel, you've spent spent far less time with her than I have. What does that say about your observations?<br />
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Cameron then describes being at Teal's house and points out that Teal has a large bookcase there filled with spiritual books. Cameron says that she was looking through the books and came across one titled “What Color is Your Aura?” Cameron thumbed through it, and was surprised to find Teal's handwriting all through the book, making notes including about family members of hers, commenting on what their auras were and what that meant. Cameron then goes out to portray this as proof that Teal was simply reading other people's spiritual books, and utilizing them and other resources to form her own spiritual teachings.... So this seems to me to be a strange piece of supposed “evidence” that Teal is simply copying other people's work and then reciting it as her own, with no unique personal insights of her own. Especially if you actually listen to Teal's talks, videos and interviews, etc. sharing her spiritual perspective, which don't come across to me at all as being a matter of regurgitating ideas she read elsewhere and then simply memorized.</blockquote>
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That she owns and reads books isn't the problem. That she doesn't cite her sources is. Many of her followers think everything she's saying is divine wisdom that she accesses from her "universal perspective," that no one else seems to have access to.<br />
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The similarity of Teal's ideas to that of other writers and teachers is astounding and, other than Byron Katie, if she has cited her sources, I've missed it. I think it’s worth noting that she’s been caught repeatedly parroting sources like Wikipedia and Abraham-Hicks nearly word for word and without ever citing a source. Her work seems like a cherry picked, hybridized, and poorly regurgitated version of other people’s ideas and philosophies. All you need do is read through the comments on LaVaughn's Teal-related <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/search/label/TEAL">blog posts</a>, because many people have flagged numerous instances of things that can be traced to better sources, where her claimed ideas have been articulated with far greater clarity.<br />
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Just recently, an observant commenter by the name of <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/10/former-insider-teal-is-deluded-and.html">Vanco Mycin</a> noticed that <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Frequency-Paintings-by-Teal-300296749994987/timeline/">Teal's frequency paintings</a> are strikingly similar to artist <a href="http://members.iinet.net.au/~starline/Resource%20Centre/Art%20Centre/Traceys_Gallery.htm">Tracey Taylor's</a>.<br />
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Taylor's art also has a connection to her relationship with extra-terrestrials and, once again, looks like a better, more professional, adult version of Teal's work. Her paintings also contain symbols from many cultures and ancient temples. These had to be pointed out to her, because she didn't know what she was painting. Taylor claims her work is channeled.<br />
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Teal's paintings also contain symbols, but their origins are more obvious. For instance her painting called <a href="http://tealswan.com/paintings/alchemy">Alchemy</a> contains a symbol that it was noted comes from the anime series <a href="http://anime.stackexchange.com/questions/3718/what-are-the-transmutation-circles-in-fullmetal-alchemist-based-on-if-anything"><i>Fullmetal Alchemist</i></a>. It's probably proprietary. Her painting Soul Retrieval contains the <a href="http://www.reiki.nu/treatment/symbols/chokurei/chokurei.html">Reiki power symbol</a> and the sigil from the <a href="https://youtu.be/5Wtwlk3FzyE">Necronomicon</a>.<br />
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One of Teal's favorite mantras that she had tattooed on her forearm is, "Follow your Joy." Not only does this concept seem very puerile to me, but I was recently informed that this is also a bastardization of Joseph Campbell’s "<a href="http://www.jcf.org/new/index.php?categoryid=31">follow your bliss</a>," which is a widely abused and misunderstood phrase that many new agers use without awareness of its origin. Bliss doesn’t mean either joy or happiness. It’s a much deeper concept. In fact, Campbell said later that he wished he’d said, “<a href="http://mappalicious.com/2014/02/03/following-your-bliss-vs-following-your-blisters/">follow your blisters</a>.”<br />
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LaVaughn has also noted a number of instances where Teal's ideas can be traced to other sources in the noncasts, in particular <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=9">Core Something or Other</a>, <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=12">Scooby Doo and the Case of TEAL's Missing Citations</a>, <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=6">The Power of Beard</a>, and <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=11">The Bottomless Rabbit Hole</a>. <br />
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Note: If Teal is making racist remarks “a lot”, somehow that has completely escaped my notice over the past 2 ½ years of watching her videos, reading her blog posts, interviewing her and meeting her in person.</blockquote>
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That it’s escaped your notice, doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Many people other than myself have noticed. It’s actually hard to believe that it’s escaped your notice, given that you left a number of comments on one of the blog posts that was called out specifically for its racism.<br />
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I’m referring to the <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/visit-to-a-korean-spa/">post</a> slamming the entire Asian population because she had an unpleasant experience at a Korean spa. Teal writes:<br />
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It is ironic that one would think bathhouses were all about hygiene maintenance, but it has been my observation that Asian bathhouses boast some of the lowest hygiene levels of any public health service… I have sensitive skin and so it hurt like hell and “softer” doesn’t really mean anything to a washing woman who speaks no English. I’ve decided that the least relaxing thing on earth, is being ordered around by older angry Korean ladies. Asians in general are not gentle with bodies…. The awesome healing properties of the rooms are offset by the dizzy-money making design of the place and the mentality of the Asian body workers in general.</blockquote>
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The response from readers was bad enough that she couldn’t just delete a handful of comments and sweep the criticism under the rug, as is so often the case. Here are some of the responses:<br />
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One reader noticed that the casual bigotry in this post was not an anomaly.<br />
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There was enough outcry about this post that she had to offer a public apology.<br />
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As you can see from the comments posted above, many people are aware of her history of racist and bigoted remarks. But, for all her claims of leading a “public” and “authentic” life, some of the worst episodes have conveniently disappeared. The infamous “racist rant” on one of the earlier <i>Shadow House</i> episodes is one. It may be gone, but it’s <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2013/11/who-and-what-is-teal-scott.html">not forgotten</a>.<br />
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In the midst of that rant, she also lectured black people about their need to let go of the vibration of slavery. Or as described in a comment on her <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/to-hell-with-the-facade/">blog post</a> about this episode, “Slavery – or more precisely, the insistently reinforced ‘faux’ memory of slavery – was mentioned as being one of the excuses employed to incite and perpetuate defensiveness.”<br />
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Teal has <a href="https://youtu.be/bLI8R5Jzpb0">stated</a> that she was designed by an Arcturian panel to be pretty and white enough to reach people on every continent. <br />
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Before I even came down, um, there was an entire panel of beings, Arcturian beings, sixth-dimensional beings, who even chose the way I would look in this life. Would you like to know why? So, I came down here with the intention of reaching people on every single continent, and to do that, human beings, human beings, they like to pay attention to what’s attractive, right? But based on where you are geographically, certain things are attractive and certain things are unattractive. So a really beautiful woman down in Africa might come up here to the US and be considered pretty ugly. But there are certain type of traits, physical traits, which make a person attractive on every single continent, and so, even before I came here, it’s not like my looks are so gorgeous to one demographic over another demographic. It’s that there will not be a person, on the planet, regardless of what country you go to, that will not perceive some level of attractiveness. Thus they’ll pay attention.</blockquote>
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Many people found this explanation both vain and bigoted. African women, which is to say, black women, are seen as “pretty ugly” in the US and much of the world, so she had to be white. Consider the message this sends to women and girls of color or who aren’t model pretty. No matter how great their ideas are, they can’t possibly have a global impact because they aren’t pretty or white enough.<br />
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"As far as I know, having seen her discuss the issue, she's never said at all that she ‘likes’ Hitler. Nor has she called Hitler himself a spiritual teacher. What she has said is that Hitler, the Nazi regime and the horrors they inflicted on the world are one of the most powerful lessons and examples of what humanity doesn't want to experience again. And in that sense it has been a powerful lesson for the world."</blockquote>
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I have never said that Teal called Hitler a spiritual teacher. Personally, I've heard her reference Hitler enough to have serious concerns about her odd preoccupation with him and his dictatorship. She also has a strange fascination with whiteness. Here she is <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/oslo-norway/">cooing over</a> the Aryan ideal, or what Hitler called the master race: <br />
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I also find Norwegians in general to be a beautiful demographic of people. I realize on and off that I am making people feel uncomfortable by staring at them for long periods of time, but I find the physical look of people here to be mesmerizing. It truly is a land of beautiful people. I’ve never seen a higher concentration of Arian [sic] looking people in my life. I hear that both Sweden and Denmark are the same. Tall people with crystal blue eyes; prominent bone structures and platinum hair are not a rarity to put it mildly… Nothing short of gorgeous.</blockquote>
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Note: African women are “pretty ugly” to most “demographics” but Nordic people are a “beautiful” and “mesmerizing” “demographic.” Even so, she might be able to get away with this as simply a statement on aesthetics, if she hadn’t used the word “Aryan” to describe them.<br />
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To your point, isn’t she just saying that the world learned powerful lessons because of Hitler’s horrific actions? I don’t think it’s that simple. She’s made other public statements about Hitler that are just bizarre. In a <i>Tea Time With Teal</i> episode, she explained that he wouldn’t have had a “world following of millions of people” if he hadn’t had some great ideas, and that it was just unfortunate that his powerful message was lost in light of all the bad things. So, her grasp of history isn’t so great, either. The details of Teal praising Hitler can be found by reading the comments section after page searching “hitler” <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=5">here</a>. <br />
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Here is a transcript of this portion of her dialog with Sarbdeep.<br />
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TEAL: So, just because you don't like somebody doesn't mean they don't have some like really super-awesome teaching. <br />
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TEAL: Maybe that one, that person who's absolutely terrible has one teaching. Hitler had a teaching. I'll tell you that!<br />
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SARBDEEP: (nodding) Yeah, yeah, true... yeah... I mean what did he teach?<br />
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TEAL: Oh my God, from a universal perspective, he taught freedom better than anyone else. <br />
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SARBDEEP: How so?<br />
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TEAL: He caused people to know what they wanted and what they didn't want.<br />
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SARBDEEP: (nodding) yeah... yeah... yeah... I suppose people now, you know, seventy years later are sort of so, uh, careful and aware of what happened to our grandparents' generation...<br />
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TEAL: I mean there's a reason that someone would be followed around by, what, millions of people at that point. Like you don't amass a world following of millions of people unless you have something important that people want to hear. So. It's just when that tips into the other, other side, you can sort of let that go and continue with the positive stuff. That's sort of what bugs me about people saying I am Catholic or I am Christian. That's like saying you have to buy into the totality of the message....</blockquote>
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So which is it? Did Hitler teach “freedom” by bad example, or did he have a “super-awesome” teaching that was unfairly overshadowed by all the genocide and megalomania? Despite Sarbdeep's attempts to reframe it as the former, I think a careful reading of her statements shows it to be the latter. She's clearly saying that people aren’t considering Hitler’s great teaching. They aren’t focusing on the “positive stuff,” because of the “other side” that was so “terrible.”<br />
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Teal also made some very strange, historically inaccurate claims about Hitler in her <a href="https://youtu.be/_3AChOcKKu8">BATGAP </a>interview, to explain why Hitler's actions were perfectly understandable and to recast him as a sympathetic character. Here is a transcript of the dialog between Teal and Rick Archer from 2:03:56-2:05:32 of the interview:<br />
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TEAL: If you understand Hitler’s past-- now see it’s easy to make an enemy of Hitler but many of us feel guilty in our own lives. So you ready to understand the way the universe sees you? The universe can comprehend of the fact that Hitler was born into an incredibly emotionally absent family. I mean, like there was-- you wanna talk about emotional abuse-- that was the reality of his life. Then he goes to war. Not only does he go to war, he gets injured in war to the point that he ends up in a psychiatric ward thinking he’s blind-- for a long period of time. And he looks out at the world and he’s super angry, why? Cuz he feels alone again. He feels betrayed, because he thinks the Jews are not fighting in the war like they should. So he develops, it’s a projection of his relationship with his parents. But that ultimate amount of pain of being betrayed-- gets projected onto the Jewish culture, and that is why he did what he did. It’s those childhood feelings of betrayal. Would we then take this man to another alternative called hell and now punish him for the very same emotional state which he was put in which was painful in his childhood? Hell no, because we can comprehend how he got to that position. So there is more compassion shown for him than there ever was punishment for him. And when we get to the point where we start looking at the world with that same kind of eye-- we will be in a state of love and our entire race will transcend. <br />
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RICK ARCHER: And How do you think our criminal justice system will work? <br />
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TEAL: It won’t work... <br />
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RICK ARCHER: Will there be one? <br />
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TEAL: No, there won’t be. <br />
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RICK ARCHER: So what will we do with people who are inclined to murder, and rape, and steal, and rob, and so on? <br />
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TEAL: We will love them into wellness.</blockquote>
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It’s another example of this pity the monster, and no one else, thing that Teal often does. She has not only done this with Hitler, but “The Virgin Killer” Elliot Rodger, <a href="https://youtu.be/pe1hVptKM80">pedophiles</a>, <a href="http://tealswan.com/processes/dissolving-the-pain-reversal-process">Ted Bundy</a>, <a href="https://youtu.be/0_DpoLmfyAY">Jim Jones</a>, and her own <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/crime-and-punishment/">alleged abuser</a>. In this instance, Teal just butchers the history. She completely misses that Hitler was very close to his mother, which undercuts her entire thesis. LaVaughn also points out that Teal has almost definitely plagiarized a controversial psychologist on all of this parent-blame for despots thing. For details on this, check out LaVaughn’s “TEAL Works Blue” <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/2014/02/breaking-teal-spell.html?commentPage=12">noncast</a>.<br />
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And then there is this disturbing "know your evil" post that Teal randomly posted on Facebook. Teal could express any “breed of evil,” yet her shadow self would choose to be an evil dictator. This evil dictator also appears to be giving a nod to Hitler’s eugenics agenda.<br />
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Her pity the poor tyrants theme might be even admirable, if she had that much compassion for non-tyrants, like say, her critics. This is what she had to say about Jordan LaVigne who attempted to have a dialog with her regarding his concerns about her possibly being operated by dark entities.<br />
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What did Jordan do to deserve such animosity that Hitler, Jim Jones, Ted Bundy, Elliot Rodger, and her alleged abuser did not? He said something that was “anti-teal.”<br />
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Teal actually defines people as “tealers” and “anti-teal.” It raises serious questions about her pity for tyrants, as she fantasizes about controlling human procreation when she’s a despot. Considering her stated intention to <a href="https://youtu.be/0pwTM_Jcz_c">buy countries</a>, this is even more concerning.<br />
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As someone who has seen a lot of Teal's videos, read her blog posts, and interviewed her three times for a total of six hours, I can state unequivocally that this does not represent at all what Teal is teaching. This is an oversimplification in the extreme. I have no idea how someone who has supposedly listened closely to Teal's teachings and even lived with her, including participating in her Shadow House episodes directly (of which I saw a few), could end up boiling down Teal's very complex, multi-layered teachings,much of which is focused on Shadow Work to “she only believes in truth if it makes you feel good.” In many different instances, Cameron makes statements that sound as if she hasn't understand at all what Teal is really saying.</blockquote>
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In <a href="https://youtu.be/tLNf_6UQWy">this interview</a>, around 51 minutes in, Teal says:<br />
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To us it's all about truth. And we have an addiction to it. We have this absolute addiction – worldwide addiction to the idea that we have to know what is true – which is just ridiculous. Because most of us are killing ourselves with what we think is true. So the question is why do you want truth to begin with? I want truth 'cause I think I will be happier if I have truth. Okay, well what if the truth is this and that makes you feel like crap. Does that really make you feel better? Why are we going about it the long way? Why not just decide that what matters is that you feel good? It's the only reason you want truth anyway – and most of the time when people realize that – life becomes a bit more soft. You know? It becomes a bit more about does this benefit me, not is it true.</blockquote>
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That seems pretty clear to me.<br />
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You write:<br />
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[Teal is] flying all over the world meeting different people, staying at people's houses, interacting with people one-on-one at workshops in front of crowds that are documented and posted online for anyone to see. And nobody else notices that anything is wrong with her behavior, how she's treating people and how she feels as a person, etc.? And yet the reality according to Cameron is that in fact she's a cold, heartless, calculating, insane, psychopathic maniac? And she's getting away with all of it, because everyone is simply blinded by her charm and beauty?.... Apparently [Teal's alleged abuser] comes across as perfectly normal, sane and believable in his denials of what Teal has claimed. And yet according to Teal then he is the one who is a psychopath and a pathological liar, who is (or at least was) also a closet Satanic cultist who has committed the most egregious acts that can conceivably be inflicted upon another human being.</blockquote>
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It was a former mental health professional who made the determination, based on Teal’s public statements and behavior, that she most likely has antisocial personality disorder, which is the clinical term for sociopathy and psychopathy. To be fair, the people publishing "John's" interview tried very hard to get a statement from Teal and/or Blake. They were dodgy, manipulative, and evasive, and ultimately negotiations broke down. “John,” on the other hand, seemed cooperative, credible, and he never wavered or contradicted himself. He’s been prompt in responding over the past three months of correspondence. He’s made no outrageous claims, and has done nothing indicating that he has anything to hide. Teal has leveled all these heinous accusations at him, and yet, 10 years after her filing her police report, the case is still cold. He's not in hiding, nor has he moved. He says the police never even contacted him. There isn’t one thing that points to him being a mentally unstable, psychopathic liar with multiple personalities who abducts and tortures little girls and burns immigrant children in his spare time. Our background investigation on him indicated he has lived out a rather stable life. He graduated from college in the midwest. He enjoyed a successful career as a vet. He’s had no criminal history. He has written books. He has been married to his current wife for 35 years and 15 years to his wife before that. He has two step-sons, and he’s still teaching clinics to other veterinarians now that he’s retired. <br />
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Teal on the other hand is very volatile and unstable. She suffers from numerous personality disorders and mental illnesses that DO NOT necessitate trauma to develop. People can in fact be born with the very mental illnesses she suffers from. Teal claims that "John" suffers from multiple personalities, and sociopathy, because he underwent all the <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgn51GdpH06dV3w2mHTkhEUtAp3fjH7k2wxnOsTNBiWaYPCpvhJ1F7xsIZv7lq9iqqhcbUl3IWuAEU4Sr47r86h0Qy-5qzPfbanGZ4KSso62kbWfvQfaPfbNRq8et7wVBy9tB3_ZyOiGe0/s1600/Screenshot+1_zpsldqamofl.png">same tortures</a> that Teal underwent as a child in order to get that way. Well, if he actually did go through unimaginable tortures and mental programming growing up, he certainly doesn't have an erratic and dysfunctional past like Teal to show for it.<br />
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Meanwhile, Teal hasn’t managed to get an <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjNh5uaxGjYIJDQa2IwJAf2vIR1IZ83tvEnUUAAoCoIHLN4GZ3pokNZrdK9Y1UdQVvCbbValWfwqOPoh5ptHwSo5gnRTCsUSI8OHp2yk0We2U5NxPzRbIWN9PFj025w6rGWhSG3uKpvmAk/s1600/school_zps3bqqpyrt.jpg">education</a>, hold down a routine, job, or spouse for an extended amount of time the way “John” has. Teal has been married and divorced three times at age 31. So, based on having interacted with both “John” and Teal, it's obvious that Teal is the least stable and least credible one in this equation. <br />
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In her book <i>The Sociopath Next Door</i>, Martha Stout writes:<br />
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After listening for almost twenty-five years to the stories my patients tell me about sociopaths who have invaded and injured their lives, when I am asked, "How can I tell whom not to trust?" the answer I give usually surprises people. The natural expectation is that I will describe some sinister-sounding detail of behavior or snippet of body language or threatening use of language that is the subtle giveaway. Instead, I take people aback by assuring them that the tip-off is none of these things, for none of these things is reliably present. Rather, the best clue is, of all things, the pity play. The most reliable sign, the most universal behavior of unscrupulous people is not directed, as one might imagine, at our fearfulness. It is, perversely, an appeal to our sympathy.</blockquote>
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I can tell you that in all my conversations with Teal’s alleged abuser, he has never appealed to pity once. Granted, three months of email and phone conversations are a limited sampling of his time and life, but it’s what I have to go on. Teal, on the other hand, has refined seeking pity to an art form. It’s constant. She uses her Satanic ritual abuse (SRA) story. She uses her emotional instability. She talks and writes on and on about how much she cries, has seizures, how there are conspiracies against her, how she can’t even plug in an appliance. Any time she needs something or wants something or is challenged in any way, she goes straight for the pity play.<br />
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I am hardly the only person who has noticed problems with Teal’s behavior and demeanor. That’s just comical. Many, many, many people have found her disturbing and that includes people who've been to her workshops and met her face to face. All you need do is read the comments on LaVaughn's blog <a href="http://celestial-reflections.blogspot.com/search/label/TEAL">posts about Teal</a> to get some sense of how adversely affected people have been by her. Many people followed her online, were part of Teal Tribe and other groups, but ultimately fled, often following an unseemly outburst from Teal and/or Blake. Others fled simply because the questions, the inconsistencies, the behavior, just became too much to reconcile. Consider that those are just the people who are willing to speak out in a somewhat public forum. I, personally, have spoken to a number of former friends and followers of Teal's, who aren't willing to speak out publicly, some because they're afraid of her and her fanatical followers. <br />
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Teal herself has admitted to having strong opposition to her cult-like influence. She’s made a number of references to this on her blog, as in this <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/basel-switzerland/">recent post</a>. Once again she breaks down the world into "Tealers" and "Anti-Tealers," in-group vs out-group, those who support her and those who are out to get her:<br />
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However, it turns out that I have opposition here as well. One of the "Anti- Tealers" bought a ticket to the event. I was working with a very sweet young woman who was so polite and timid that the whole audience (including me) fell instantly in love with her. But in the middle of the work I was doing with her, this Anti-Tealer got up out of his seat and came through the audience and past both bodyguards to pull her off of the stage and out the door away from my influence. He then proceeded to try to convince her that I was a cult leader who was controlling the minds of everyone in the crowd (sheep). It shocked the whole crowd, including me. I was dumbfounded and sent some men out after her to ensure that she was safe. Some things, you just can’t prepare for… For a while, I was convinced that people were only capable of distrusting me or opposing me if they have never seen me in person or in action. But slowly, it is becoming obvious that a person can still distrust and oppose me even if they do meet me in person or see me in action. I am not going to be able to convince some people that I am the good guy.</blockquote>
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Teal also got some pushback from an audience member at the UN in <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/vienna-austria/">Vienna</a>?<br />
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But there was one man in the audience who did not share the welcoming sentiment. My presence infuriated him and during the discussion, he took the microphone and proceeded to challenge my credibility and expertise and tell me that people who listen to me need "professional help". Not understanding that I prefer to cut to the root of whatever is causing someone to suffer (whether or not it seems to relate directly to the question being posed) he told me that I just manipulate and confuse people to prove my points and refuse to even answer the questions people ask. After he lost control of the microphone, he continued to shake his head at everything I said and demonstratively tell the woman sitting next to him about all his disagreements with me.</blockquote>
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In the Czech Republic, a group of people went so far as to <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/the-burning/">burn one of her paintings</a> because they thought it and she were Satanic.<br />
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Laced with the bite of irony, the original painting of mine called “integrity” was purchased by a group of people in the Czech Republic and publicly burnt in accordance with what they thought was right. It was burnt because they think I am satanic and because they also think I am a disguised reptilian. The burning is a symbolic message that I am not welcome here. It is an attempt to protect people from me and from what I create.</blockquote>
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How many people other than me have to say that they're disturbed by Teal, before you notice?<br />
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It should also be noted here that Teal has publicly written about her rocky relationship with her parents. And so it seems that, if what Teal was describing so publicly in countless different forums simply didn't add up to them as being true, then they would have released something themselves stating that Teal's story didn't make sense and couldn't have happened. Why, especially if they've had disagreements with Teal as she herself has described, would they simply sit back and watch her build worldwide fame and a successful career around life details that in their minds couldn't be true?</blockquote>
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You’re making a number of assumptions here. For a start, you’re assuming that her relationship with her parents was and is as she has claimed. I spent time with her and her family and her rendition doesn’t square with my experience. Her parents were very supportive. They are very involved grandparents. I don’t think she was ever as distant from them as she’s claimed. And, even if you take her words at face value, she was the one creating that distance, not them. There is no evidence anywhere that her parents would not try to support her. Funny thing about parents who love their kids. They tend to support and protect them right or wrong.<br />
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Meanwhile, Teal has been telling her story in explicit detail to thousands of people around the world over the course of the last five or so years. She didn't just write a book about it, or make videos talking about it on her own terms, which would be something she was in complete control of. Instead, she's been in hundreds of different settings, answering spontaneous questions from people, including with journalists such as in the Fox News interview (conducted by a Fox affiliate in Boise, Idaho). That was an interview conducted at first in private, which went on for several hours, yet which was recorded on video. They then broadcast a short selection of the content of that interview on their TV news program to their Idaho audience.<br />
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Obviously they found her story believable enough to release it publicly. This is not something that news organizations do without serious consideration. They fact check as much as they can, they dissect what was said to confirm to the best of their ability that it is more than likely true. They don't want to have to retract a story, because it's later determined they got fooled and it was false testimony. Just ask Dan Rather, who by all accounts got fired from his job as the anchor for the CBS Evening News, because of his support for a story that later turned out to be lacking in certifiable evidence (this was a story during the 2004 presidential election making allegations that George W. Bush had falsified his military service records.) No news organization wants to end up being discredited for broadcasting a false story.</blockquote>
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You’re confusing an interview with a local author at a very small regional affiliate with a piece of investigative journalism on a major national network. It’s a very poor comparison. You’re also ignoring that neither Teal’s interviewer, nor the anchors on the show took an opinion or vouched for the story. They kept saying it was pretty “hard to believe,” which it is. The interviewer, Chris Oswalt, even said he “had a hard time believing this was true,” and left it to viewers to decide and weigh in on social media. <br />
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I was also contacted by the same station about doing an interview, but I declined. They were sniffing around for confirmation of her alleged abuser’s name, which I explained I would not release publicly out of fear for his safety. It seemed to me, that their initial interest was in proving the existence of SRA. Apparently, there is a longstanding history with such claims in Utah and Idaho since the Geraldo fueled "satanic panic" of the 80's. It appeared that they were using Teal’s story to bolster this agenda and give courage to other ritual abuse survivors. I do think it's worth mentioning that the representative who contacted me from the station said that they are keeping a close eye out for the upcoming release of the interviews with "John," and would follow up accordingly. <br />
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Meanwhile she's telling very specific, detailed accounts of what happened to her over the course of her life, answering a ridiculously broad range of questions about anything that anyone might think to ask with basically no restrictions, to thousands of different people around the world in her various interviews and workshops, most of which are then posted publicly for anyone to see, scrutinize and pick apart.</blockquote>
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The KIVI interview, like so many others, was not a critical interview. Sure, she’s given lots of interviews over the years, but they’ve been with supporters of hers, supporters of the SRA narrative she’s repeating. None of these interviewers, including yourself, has asked probing questions or challenged her claims. When I was in Utah, one of my jobs was scheduling interviews. Potential interviewers were prescreened by Blake, who would ask questions about what they liked about Teal and her teachings. She does not do interviews with anyone who might ask challenging questions. Teal only does softball interviews. There is nothing complicated about recalling details and answering questions on this, because she's repeating the same storyline over and over again. <br />
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This would be a truly superhuman feat to accomplish, one that seems to challenge the capability of the human mind to even remember, not to mention keep track of in an orderly way such a vast amount of fabricated information. And then, to deliver it all calmly and casually, with seeming authenticity and thoughtfulness and compassion, with no apparent gaps of information or stuttering or freezing up upon trying to recall what lie to tell next... no seeming struggle to continue perpetrating a diabolical, pathological series of lies, day after day, year after year.</blockquote>
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While I in no way believe that she has an <a href="http://blog.thespiritualcatalyst.com/divorce/">IQ of 170</a>, as she claims, I do think Teal has a relatively quick intellect, an active imagination, and is able to think on her feet in order to recall things and make rapid fire connections on the spot. This is hardly a "superhuman feat to accomplish." Many improv actors, fiction writers, salesman, and con-artists, have demonstrated this same gift.<br />
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There is a very long history of fabricators and fabulists achieving a fair degree of success. And, we only know about the ones who are eventually caught. <a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/million-little-lies">James Frey</a> made it all the way to the show. He did Oprah, and he deceived her completely. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Glass">Stephen Glass</a> had smoked multiple fabricated news stories past his editors and readers at <i>The New Republic</i>, before a tech reporter from <i>Forbes</i> got wise and put a stop to him. <a href="https://youtu.be/xsw90DY5gEI">Belle Gibson</a> created a cottage industry on a complete fabrication. Then you have <a href="http://www.answers.org/satan/stratford.html">Laura Stratford</a>, the fabulist behind <i>Satan's Underground</i>. Her story is eerily similar to Teal's. Stratford achieved a fair amount of success and credulity from the public before it was discovered that her Satanic ritual abuse stories were all lies.<br />
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I really have to disagree with you as to Teal's “seeming authenticity and thoughtfulness and compassion.” Many people have noted that her affect when she talks about her abuse is disturbing. She never seems reluctant to describe really graphic, gory details. It’s unusual for abuse survivors to keep telling their stories so casually. It’s usually painful and brings up a lot of resistance to reliving the experience through the telling of it. She seems to find it all funny. She giggles and smirks while she’s conveying really disturbing things. She giggles and smirks a lot at oddly inappropriate times. She’s the “giggling guide,” after all. It has been suggested that this is actually what’s called <a href="http://www.paulekman.com/uncategorized/duping-delight/">duping delight</a>. It happens when people can’t suppress their glee at getting away with bald-faced bullshitting.<br />
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She also giggles and smirks when she talks about people committing suicide. She had the whole audience chuckling over her client's suicide, during one of her <a href="https://youtu.be/d770X_6BadM">workshops</a>.<br />
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You know when she doesn’t giggle and smirk? When she’s criticized in any way. <br />
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So let's apply Occam's Razor here to try to determine what appears to be the more likely true story in this case of two divergent accounts of what transpired between these two individuals. Because clearly, someone here is lying. Occam's Razor is a problem-solving principle which says, essentially, that the simplest explanation that is based on fewer assumptions, is more likely to be true. So which explanation here could be considered the ‘simplest’?</blockquote>
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So, you’re saying that the simplest explanation goes something like this. Teal was created by an Arcturian panel to be pretty and white enough to reach the entire world, but first had to be subjected to the most horrific of cruelties so that she could get herself out of it for the betterment of humanity. These Arcturians, in their eternal wisdom, positioned her to be so special and gifted that she caught the attention of Mormon Blood Covenant members who also infiltrated a Satanic network. Her handler, whom you’ve decided to call “John,” a psychopath who also had Dissociative Identity Disorder (multiple personalities), moved her back and forth between these groups: one where she was tortured and venerated for her gifts, one where she was tortured to be purged of her gifts. She was prostituted out. She was used to lure Mexican immigrant children to their deaths. She was sexually abused and horrifically tortured: chained in a pit in his backyard for hours, sewn into a corpse by his mortician friend, which sounds impossible and probably is. This occurred while she was living in a small cabin with her parents and brother, who mistook the inevitable physical damage for sports injuries. She also attended school. She worked as a model, she claims at her abuser’s behest. She was programmed to return to his home regularly, which her family also didn’t notice, and despite the fact that such Manchurian Candidate type conditioning is the stuff of fiction and has never been demonstrated to be real. All this occurred, despite the fact that the FBI has never been able to turn up any evidence of Satanic conspiracies and that the one investigation she initiated under the direction of a therapist known for creating false memory, rapidly went cold. This, however, is fine with her because she never wanted to see anyone prosecuted for all the rape, torture, and child murder anyway. <br />
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That strange, convoluted story, to you, is simple? You have a very strange idea of how Occam’s razor works.<br />
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As I said at the beginning, if it's proven that Teal is lying about everything, then of course I don't want to support that. But as they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And doing my best to make sense of the facts and information that is available, the claims being made against Teal are simply far too extreme to entertain as possible without some sort of iron-clad proof.</blockquote>
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By your own admission, Teal’s story is “extraordinary,” “weird,” “hard to believe” and “wildly improbable.” You use the word “extraordinary” six times in your post, four of them to describe Teal’s story. Why does her “extraordinary claim” not require the kind of “extraordinary evidence” you’re demanding of me or Teal’s alleged abuser? <br />
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What I will be looking for when it comes out is to what extent is the ‘evidence’ actually ‘absence of evidence’ vs. ‘evidence of absence’. In other words, does it offer conclusive evidence showing that Teal's story couldn't possibly add up to being true? Or does it simply poke holes in her story in terms of the various circumstantial evidence that has so far been presented? </blockquote>
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I think you fundamentally misunderstand how our system of justice works. People are innocent until they’re proven guilty, in this country. The burden of proof is on the accuser, in this case, Teal. She has accused a man of horrific crimes. It is incumbent on her to provide the proof. Instead, with no proof and with one 10-year-old cold case undertaken in only one of the jurisdictions, not even the primary jurisdiction, she has been relentlessly trying this man in the court of public opinion. She has all but identified him by name, making him very recognizable to people in his area, and putting his safety at risk. It is not up to "John" to prove his innocence to you or to anybody. It is not my job to prove anything to you either. But, I hope you will consider what I've written here and read what he has to say for himself in the future.<br />
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After spending hours, if not days, on <a href="http://gabrielmorris.blogspot.com.co/2015/09/the-teal-swan-controversy-is-teal-swan.html">his blog post</a> filled with desperate, unsupported, convolutions of logic intended to discredit my public statements about Teal Swan, suddenly Gabriel doesn't think it's worth his time to read my reply. His non-response to my open letter to him can be seen in a screenshot taken from his public Facebook page below.<br />
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NOTE: I believe this was an important and beneficial discourse to have in a public setting for many reasons. Not only did it present the public with facts granting them the opportunity to make informed decisions when it comes to following Teal, it also really demonstrates the psychology of Teal's followers. Gabriel is a perfect example of how people behave when they are involved in "group think" organizations and cults. The idealization of his guru, the re-scripting, justification, and denial of her egregious behavior is textbook cult behavior. Gabriel's blind defense of Teal and refusal to face the facts, demonstrates the typical "hive mind" mentality.<br />
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Notice how he believes "ultimately the truth will reveal itself in one way or another." Meanwhile, he has completely closed himself off to the facts he's being presented with by me, while saying he doesn't think there will ever be any hard evidence. His contradictory behavior is the epitome of someone who is experiencing cognitive dissonance.<br />
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This is a very disturbing reaction that I have seen time and time again with Teal's followers and people heavily involved in cults. I think it's important to highlight and expose the dynamics of what is going on within Teal's organization and other cult-like organizations in general. I think it would be a benefit to us all to move toward a world filled with fewer followers and more rational, independent thinkers.</div>
<b>NOTE</b>-- <i>Given my work schedule, I find that I don't have time to field comments. If you wish to comment, this blog post can also be found crossposted <a href="http://www.celestialhealing.com/2015/09/an-open-letter-to-gabriel-morris.html">here</a>.</i>Cameronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03507442518292568083noreply@blogger.com11